Historical Victory

[hotrodlincoln]

This is a just for fun thread, for people to come up with historical conditions for the various civs to achieve. You can add an extra challenge to your game this way, or simply use it to win the game the way the civ really should. For example:

China:
Found Confucianism and Toaism
Be the first to research Civil Service, Machinery, Gunpowder
Have the largest population by the Industrial era
Build the following Great Wonders: Bank Of China Tower, Famen Temple, Porcelain Tower, Shaolin Temple, Sun Tzu's Art Of War, The Great Wall, Three Gorges Dam, Wudang Mountain

Or, perhaps if you are playing on the GEM map:

Celts:
Found Druidic Traditions
Be the first to research Iron Working
Control the following regions: France, Great Britain, Ireland, Spain, Northern Italy
Destroy the Roman civilization
Build the following wonders: Blarney Castle, Edinburgh Castle, Hill of Tara

Rome:
Spread Christianity to 80% of the world population
Be the first to research Papacy
Control the following regions: France, England, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, The Balkans, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, The Levant, Mesopotamia, Egypt, North Africa
Build the following wonders: Apostolic Palace, Circus Maximus, Flavian Amphitheatre, Holy See Library, Pont du Gard, Saint Mark's Basilica, The Sistine Chapel, Via Appia

 

[rightfuture]

For those people who just want to play through existing history as normal. It could be an option to end the game in our modern era as well. (it will encourage people who don't want to play the future stuff to enjoy C2C more - historical purists and all. May also encourage more amateur historians, like Vokyara to participate in our discussions and development.)

Idea: I really think we need to consider starting/ending/choosing which eras you want to play as a game option.
Toggling the Dark Ages (when we develop it), can be a great option to see how history would flow. It can also be really fun.
It think it should be considered at a priority at some point. (hopefully in the next year.)
What does everyone think?

 

[Thunderbrd]

That's a very ambitious concept to include HRL... VERY ambitious indeed! So many civs, so many definitions would be necessary! I love the idea but wonder as to how realistic it could be to expect we could ever work it out into a workable system.

@RF: About Dark Ages. I think they do need to be considered eventually and a mechanism for them should be defined (I proposed that they be created by Anti-Great People a while back so that's still where I'd be headed with the concept eventually.) But keep in mind that Afforess tried it and it was very poorly received in general (I'm not sure why exactly since I wasn't there for that - coulda just been really buggy I don't know.)

So its not a project to take lightly anyhow is all I'm getting at.

 

[rightfuture]

This is a just for fun thread, for people to come up with historical conditions for the various civs to achieve. You can add an extra challenge to your game this way, or simply use it to win the game the way the civ really should. For example:

China:
Found Confucianism and Toaism
Be the first to research Civil Service, Machinery, Gunpowder
Have the largest population by the Industrial era
Build the following Great Wonders: Bank Of China Tower, Famen Temple, Porcelain Tower, Shaolin Temple, Sun Tzu's Art Of War, The Great Wall, Three Gorges Dam, Wudang Mountain

Or, perhaps if you are playing on the GEM map:

Celts:
Found Druidic Traditions
Be the first to research Iron Working
Control the following regions: France, Great Britain, Ireland, Spain, Northern Italy
Destroy the Roman civilization
Build the following wonders: Blarney Castle, Edinburgh Castle, Hill of Tara

Rome:
Spread Christianity to 80% of the world population
Be the first to research Papacy
Control the following regions: France, England, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, The Balkans, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, The Levant, Mesopotamia, Egypt, North Africa
Build the following wonders: Apostolic Palace, Circus Maximus, Flavian Amphitheatre, Holy See Library, Pont du Gard, Saint Mark's Basilica, The Sistine Chapel, Via Appia

After thinking about it, I really like your idea of flavored CIV specific starting and ending game options and goals, hotrodlincoln. Really helping frame and go with C2C's culture development. With the recent culture and leader trait innovation it almost like making Civilization in the game, actual roleplaying characters to be developed and played (hint: more of these ideas would be great.)
Even for fun it is a great ongoing discussion to be had.
I really think this is a great idea to consider at some point. Glad to see your involvement, and I hope you take some ownership of developing and discussing this idea, as well as coming up with more like it. Great job!

 

[MagnusIlluminus]

To me these sound more like ideas for one or more Scenarios or possibly "Quests".

 

[hotrodlincoln]

Alright, here's a few more, as well as some alterations to the above examples. If there is any desire at all to make these into an actual mechanic, then obviously GEM specific conditions simply will not work.

America:
Found Mormonism
Be the first to research Representative Democracy
Have the largest army by the Modern era
Can not run the following civics at the time of victory: Monarchy, Single Party, Totalitarianism, State-Run Agriculture, Marxism, Any Religious Civic other than Secularism
Build the following wonders: Adam Smith's Trading Company, Alcatraz, Broadway, Disneyland, Empire State Building, Ellis Island, Fort Knox, Global Stock Exchange, Hollywood, Las Vegas Strip, Madison Avenue, Mt. Rushmore, Pearl Harbor, Rock n' Roll, Statue Of Liberty, Silicon Valley, Pentagon, Walk of Fame, Wall Street, West Point, World Trade Center (There were several more wonders built in America, but the list was huge enough as is, and those wonders didn't represent America's global or domestic policy very well [Burning Man, Carhenge, etc])

Arabs:
Found Islam
Spread Islam to 80% of the world's population
Control 40% of the world's territory
Be the first to research Algebra, Astrolabe, Education,
Have the largest army by the end of the Medieval era
Build the following wonders: Alhambra, Burj al-Arab, House of Wisdom, Sultan Qaboos Grand Mosque, Spiral Minaret

Aztecs:
Found Nagualism
Control 30% of the world's territory
Sacrifice 40 population
Have the world's largest army by the end of the Medieval era
Be the first to research Agriculture, Agricultural Tools, Sacrifice Cult
Build 10 Sacrificial Altars
Build the following Wonders: Pyramid of the Magician, Pyramid of the Sun, Pyramid of the Moon, Tlaloc's Altar

Byzantine:
Spread Christianity to 80% of the world's population
Control 50% of the world's territory
Be the first to research Scripture, Theology
Generate 10 Great Prophets (May be settled, used to build religious shrines, or research technologies)
Build 15 Kataphraktoi
Have the largest army by the end of the Medieval era
Build the following Great Wonder: Hagia Sophia

Celts:
Found Druidic Traditions
Be the first to research Mining, Iron Working, Smithing
Have the largest army by the end of the Classical era
Have 30 units with Guerilla 1 by the end of the Classical era
Build the following wonders: Blarney Castle, Edinburgh Castle, Hill of Tara
Build the following Cultures: Celtic, Welsh, Scottish, Irish (If we ever get it)

China:
Found Confucianism and Toaism
Be the first to research Civil Service, Machinery, Gunpowder
Have the largest population by the Industrial era
Build the following Great Wonders: Bank Of China Tower, Confucian School, Famen Temple, Porcelain Tower, Shaolin Temple, Sun Tzu's Art Of War, The Great Wall, The Temple of Heaven, Three Gorges Dam, Wudang Mountain, Quanzhen School

Egypt:
Found Kemetism
Be the first to research Priesthood, Masonry, Alphabet
Have 6 or more Stone resources
Have 1 or more Papyrus resources
Build the following Great Wonders: Abu Simbel, Catacombs of Kom el-Shoqfa, Temple of Ptah, Temple of Thoth, The Pyramids, The Sphinx
Build the following religious shrine: Karnak Temple Complex
Build 6 Temple of Mut

India:
Found Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism
Be the first to research Scripture, Philosophy, Mathematics, Reincarnation
Have the largest population by the Industrial era
Build the following Great Wonders: Baths of Mohenjo-Daro, Akshardam, Lotus Temple, Meenakshi Temple, Brihadeesvar Temple, Taj Mahal
Build the following Religious Shrines: Kashi Vishwanath, Mahabodhi, Statue of Gomateshvara, The Golden Temple
Generate 10 Great Prophets


Mongolia:
Found Tengriism
Be the first to research Horse Archery
Have the largest army by the end of the Medieval era
Must have 15 Keshiks by the end of the Classical era
Eliminate 10 civilizations by the end of the Medieval era
Must have 20 infantry units by the end of the Medieval era
Must have 50 cavalry units by the end of the Medieval era
Build 6 Tengri Songs
Build the following Religious Shrine: Khan Tengri


Rome:
Spread Christianity to 80% of the world population
Be the first to research Papacy
Control 50% of the world's territory
Build the following wonders: Apostolic Palace, Circus Maximus, Flavian Amphitheatre, Holy See Library, Pont du Gard, Saint Mark's Basilica, The Sistine Chapel, Via Appia

Sumeria:
Found Mesopotamism
Be the first to research Archery, Agriculture, Sedentary Lifestyle, Masonry, Priesthood, Writing
Control the largest territory by the end of the Ancient era
Have the largest population by the end of the Ancient era
Have the largest army by the end of the Ancient era
Build 6 Ziggurats
Build 6 of each building: Temple of An, Temple of Enki, Temple of Enlil, Temple of Inanna, Temple of Ki,

 

[JJOne]

This sounds very much like RFC.

 

[rightfuture]

This sounds very much like RFC.

It probably wouldn't hurt to roll in some RFC ideas as options.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Your end of era or someone else's end of era? An era ends when a tech is gained not everyone gets that tech at the same game turn.