Hitler's Economic Principles

[Huayna Capac357]

Please explain. Personally I think the Political Compass is the most effective.

 

[Cutlass]

Political Compass is one way to describe the spectrum, and there are others similar to it. And I suppose they mean a lot to some people and explain things well to some people.

But consider, When you go to the far left of the most common scales you get communism as it is advocated under the theory of communism. But when you look at real world nations, there has never been a modern nation that called it's governing economic principles "communist" but had a government that was not fascist.

Look at what they have done in the real world: Both are police states. Both have government mandated ideologies and indoctrination. Both have most of the economy under control of leading party members (the fact that the government officially owns on the one hand, and private citizens own, but fully control their industry is really a trivial difference). Both suppress all dissent.

Now if you look at the economic axis of something like Political Compass, what is the difference between the extreme right and the extreme left? In both cases there is 0 economic freedom for most of the population. You do what you are told, you do it when you are told, and you do it how you are told.

 

[Camikaze]

I think what Cutlass is saying is that the extreme left and the extreme right can both become authoritarian, and to a degree close to indistinguishable. If they are indistinguishable, they'd have to meet on the spectrum. Imagine a strip of paper with the spectrum on it (just left-right). For the extreme left and right to meet, the strip of paper would have to be formed into a circle. I think that's how it works, anyway.

Edit: Crosspost

 

[cool3a2]

I'd even go a step further. I'd say that the words left and right become more and more inadequate to describe a political opinion. They may work for the parties in Germany and probably in the US, too. But look at Hungary for instance. There the socialists and the liberals (in easy words the communists and the capitalists - of course that is a bit an oversimplification) had a coalition for a long time and probably they'll have it again. An important part of their politics the last time was privatisation (of hospitals), which is okay for liberals, but not for socialists. That's actually no typical left politics. On the other side there is a party currently in opposition that is called to be right, but concerns for the ordinary people, not so much for the enterprises. They call them right, because they are conservative in terms of caring for traditions. The borders between left and right start to disappear and I think this actually becomes more and more normal in the world. I'd even have problems to describe my political opinions with only the words "left" and "right". Also, our initial topic (Hitlers politics) is an example for that. Quite conservative in terms of traditions and social aspects, but it's economy definately had socialistic aspects, although it would be too simple to only call it socialism...

Well, if you understand politics as a circle, left and right start to disappear as well. The reason is imple: where do right and left begin adn where is their end?

 

[Camikaze]

I think that it is a bit simplistic to place a political party on a spectrum and say that that is where they are for everything. Political parties have different positions on the spectrum for every different policy, and I guess that their designated orientation is just the average of all of these positions.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

I'd even go a step further. I'd say that the words left and right become more and more inadequate to describe a political opinion. They may work for the parties in Germany and probably in the US, too. But look at Hungary for instance. There the socialists and the liberals (in easy words the communists and the capitalists - of course that is a bit an oversimplification) had a coalition for a long time and probably they'll have it again. An important part of their politics the last time was privatisation (of hospitals), which is okay for liberals, but not for socialists. That's actually no typical left politics. On the other side there is a party currently in opposition that is called to be right, but concerns for the ordinary people, not so much for the enterprises. They call them right, because they are conservative in terms of caring for traditions. The borders between left and right start to disappear and I think this actually becomes more and more normal in the world. I'd even have problems to describe my political opinions with only the words "left" and "right". Also, our initial topic (Hitlers politics) is an example for that. Quite conservative in terms of traditions and social aspects, but it's economy definately had socialistic aspects, although it would be too simple to only call it socialism...

Well, if you understand politics as a circle, left and right start to disappear as well. The reason is imple: where do right and left begin adn where is their end?

That isn't intrinsic ideology's fault. It's the fact that "socialist" parties in Europe are slingshotting rightwards.

 

[Cutlass]

Another thought on Political Compass, If you were to print that graph and take the opposite corners and tack them together, the only difference for the average person would be who is running the show and what they call themselves. And that's just trivia in the average life.

 

[Ondskan]

American news are moronic.
Often you hear fascism in what is more described as oligarchy or corporate state and often you hear socialist/communist to what is described in education as socialliberalism.


I don't know how your brains survive over there.

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