Hogwarts Polytechnic

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Is Hogwarts, the fictional school from the fictional land of Harry Potter, a vocational school? Most of the educational requirements focus on practical and technical education. While there is some humanities education described, most of the courses at Hogwarts appear to be orientated around just doing magic with little consideration of other pedagogical pursuits.
 
I actually always wondered what the Wizarding World would be like if there were a lot of wizards who had knowledge of advanced physics, engineering, mathematics, computer science, and so forth. Seems like it would have the potential to make them far more powerful, and much modern technology far more useful.
 
We know what happens then: we get a car that flies into trees.
 
I actually always wondered what the Wizarding World would be like if there were a lot of wizards who had knowledge of advanced physics, engineering, mathematics, computer science, and so forth. Seems like it would have the potential to make them far more powerful, and much modern technology far more useful.
Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality?
 
It is my understanding that high school is essentially the only formal level of education in the wizarding world, with anything after taking place as personal apprenticeships instead of higher education. I don't possess an in-depth knowledge of the lore, though.
 
Because learning things that are useful is superior to learning things that aren't. Of course useful is subjective so I support lots of electives.

Making kids memorize useless crap they'll never reuse and that doesn't teach them to learn (just to read for what someone else wants you to regurgitate) is really sad and more than a waste, it damages the natural human love of learning.
 
Because learning things that are useful is superior to learning things that aren't. Of course useful is subjective so I support lots of electives.

This sentence is contradictory.

"People should exclusively learn things that are useful. People should also be allowed to learn things that aren't useful." I don't really understand what you're envisioning here.

Making kids memorize useless crap they'll never reuse and that doesn't teach them to learn (just to read for what someone else wants you to regurgitate) is really sad and more than a waste, it damages the natural human love of learning.

Wouldn't restricting education exclusively to things that have a practical application also impinge upon the natural human love of learning? Learn, not for the sake of learning, but because I told you to learn it. Sounds a lot like rote memorization and regurgitation to me.
 
"People should exclusively learn things that are useful. People should also be allowed to learn things that aren't useful." I don't really understand what you're envisioning here.

Producerism.

Wouldn't restricting education exclusively to things that have a practical application also impinge upon the natural human love of learning? Learn, not for the sake of learning, but because I told you to learn it. Sounds a lot like rote memorization and regurgitation to me.

Welcome education in 2017.
 
It's a school in which the students learn no practical skills, and certainly no life-skills, and in which the main concern of the staff and student body seems less with education than weird elaborate rituals and contests. None the less, everyone is perfectly convinced that everyone will somehow end up in lucrative and rewarding jobs, because that's how it's always worked.

All of which is to say, it's an entirely typical English public school, they just added broomsticks.

(that's not a joke, the whole setting is a romance of the british class system before 1914. there is literally no working class or even lower middle class in the potterverse, there's only aristocrats and bourgeois. the "poor" family has a father who is employed as a mid-level senior civil servant, ferchrissake, he just has too many kids and no financial sense. you can't explain any of this in an american context because it doesn't make any sense in an american context. the real fantasy is that, when everybody goes off to war, enough of them come back to keep their ridiculous social system intact.)
 
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This sentence is contradictory.

"People should exclusively learn things that are useful. People should also be allowed to learn things that aren't useful." I don't really understand what you're envisioning here.
You're not trying to understand.

Kids learn universal useful skills and let kids choose among other non-universal speciality useful skills.

Wouldn't restricting education exclusively to things that have a practical application also impinge upon the natural human love of learning? Learn, not for the sake of learning, but because I told you to learn it. Sounds a lot like rote memorization and regurgitation to me.
I assume this is trolling cuz it doesn't make sense. :(

I said I'm anti-memorization, learn useful stuff and prove you understand it, understanding=/memorization.

For instance you seems to have read my every word but can't comprehend it. :(
 
Is Hogwarts, the fictional school from the fictional land of Harry Potter, a vocational school? Most of the educational requirements focus on practical and technical education. While there is some humanities education described, most of the courses at Hogwarts appear to be orientated around just doing magic with little consideration of other pedagogical pursuits.


I had a professor once who made the comment that when talking to a medical doctor and the doctor claimed he deserved to be called 'doctor', and the professor did not, responded by saying 'I am educated, you are vocationally trained.' Harry Potter is vocationally trained.
 
I had a professor once who made the comment that when talking to a medical doctor and the doctor claimed he deserved to be called 'doctor', and the professor did not, responded by saying 'I am educated, you are vocationally trained.' Harry Potter is vocationally trained.

docere means "to teach" or "to instruct". Doctor, root docere plus the agent suffix -tor means "one who teaches" or "one who instructs".¹ A doctoral degree certifies, literally, that you have demonstrated such a comprehensive mastery of the discipline that you are qualified to instruct others in its practice. This is why a Ph.D is conferred only upon writing, publishing, and defending successfully a piece of original research which advances scholarship in the discipline. Your mastery of the subject is so complete that you are capable of instructing other doctors in the field.

I suppose you could extend this metaphor into the medical and juridical fields by saying a medical doctor instructs patients on how to be more healthy, and a doctor iuris instructs clients on how best the law might apply to their situation. But literally and etymologically speaking, the conferral of a doctoral degree granted its recipient licentia docendi - that is "license (permission) for teaching".

¹cf. imperator (imperare "to give orders") "one who gives orders", or curator (curare "to care for", "to attend", "to preserve") "one who cares for". This suffix is one of the most essential of Proto-Indo-European stem-forming suffixes, and is reflected in all Indo-European languages. It is, for example, why all the familial words end in -ter: brother, father, mother, sister, daughter; Lat: pater, mater, frater, soror; Ancient Gk: pater, meter, phrater, eor, thugater; Skt: svasr, duhitr)
 
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