How Did Iraq Get To Number 1? In Retrospect...

[carlosMM]

Korea reopened their nuclear weapons program (this is not an opinion, it is a fact)

you mena, that they officially announced it....

 

[PantheraTigris2]

Write a book, it'd sell great in France.

 

[aaminion00]

I'm pretty sure that they started working on it again. Maybe I'm a tad off on the details, but I'm pretty sure that they started working on it again.

And I think they issued a statement in which they said that N. Korea being labeled in the axis of evil was one of the primary reasons.

 

[aaminion00]

Originally posted by PantheraTigris2
Write a book, it'd sell great in France.

I thought this was a board to see and debate people's opinions. If you so strongly disagree then please try to change my mind with rational thinking and strong information. There's no need to go down to stupid little remarks like that.

I myself am happy that Saddam is gone, but am less than happy that Bush will be re-elected as a result.

 

[aaminion00]

P.S. and if it'll make you happy, the only reason that the French goverment opposed this war was... 'tada'... oil and economic interests.

 

[PantheraTigris2]

What? I'm just saying, that's a great storyline you have there. All that political scandal, coverups, & contraversey, etc.

 

[carlosMM]

PantheraTigris2, it may be you have missed out on the lines Lefty posted about what is trolling and what not - I jsut reported you above post (the first) to him as you continue to be impolite. Please, skip that stuff! I am no moderator so let my tell you my personal opinion: you are very unfriendly! Why this needless aggression? It keeps people away from the discussion......

Let me clarify this a bit: why should someone bother to asnwer to any of your posts? If he makes a good and valid point you will try to ridicule him instead of trying to show why he is wrong - well, then he could have saved the time typing te first time around!

 

[PantheraTigris2]

adios, carlos. never again.

 

[carlosMM]

Originally posted by PantheraTigris2
adios, carlos. never again.

nice of you to proove me right!


come on, what is the problem? discussion borad here, not whatever you think!

Please, answer and proove the guy wrong, if you think he is!

 

[Kinniken]

Originally posted by PantheraTigris2
Write a book, it'd sell great in France.

That's not a joke, it's nation-bashing. And it's forbidden here, even when the nation is question is France.

 

[PantheraTigris2]

Kinniken, get off my case. Quit trying to make a conflict out of something that isn't.

 

[muppet]

It was an easy target.
It was a defenseless target.
It was able to pay for itself.
It was an easy sell to the American public.
It was a simple enough event to control media output.

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by cgannon64
I've been reading "Bush At War" for the last two days. Its about the first 100 days after Sept. 11th and how the administration reacted, and how the decision to make Afgahnistan the first target came to be, and overall just an inside look at how Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Wolfowitz, and Rice acted.

Inside look? Who are the insiders? Especially those that Bob Woodward has close personal contact with.

The administration is renowned for its secrecy

Originally posted by PantheraTigris2
It was just a matter of having a President in office, with a SHRED of GUTS.

Did you forget when Clinton tried to start garnering support for a military intervention in 1997, and was rebuffed by both the public, our allies, AND Republican lawmakers

I assume you were in support then?

Originally posted by cgannon64
But do you think using Sept. 11th as a reason was manipulating the American public to support a war they had been itching to do all along?

Indifferent to do, maybe. There was no indication anywhere before 9/11 this was going to happen.

I know that is the answer you were fishing for, but where is the manipulation?

 

[cgannon64]

Originally posted by Greadius
Inside look? Who are the insiders? Especially those that Bob Woodward has close personal contact with.

The administration is renowned for its secrecy

Well, so far most of the book is paraphrasing and quotes of meetings between Bush, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and others.

I know that is the answer you were fishing for, but where is the manipulation?

Passing the war off as a war on terror when it actually has little to do with that? Using the terrorist aspect to gain support when, again, it has little to do with that?

 

[VoodooAce]

Originally posted by PantheraTigris2


People have such short memories. What are you, like 14, 15, or 16 years old? I guess it makes sense then, in your case.

There was no need for that.

This guy was asking a very valid, serious question. He did so in a good, mature manner.

But instead of coming up with a valid response in the interest of fair debate, you come up with this. If you are not '...like 14, 15 or 16 years old' then you should work a little more on bringing your debating skills in line with your age.

Personally, I think that this question will be asked more and more as time goes on. It was puzzling to me as it happened, and it is still puzzling.

The degree to which the Bush administration 'extrapolated' evidence to meet their desire to crush Iraq is frightening.

The degree to which people were willing to buy it (or, at least, to state publicly that they buy it, despite the fact that they probably don't in their hearts....the ends justify the means, and all that) is a shame.

 

[PantheraTigris2]

It's obvious to the point of frustrating that he was totally forgeting the entire Gulf War ordeal in his quest to ascertain the reason for the more recent military operation in Iraq - which is completely ludicrous. Why are we at war? Oh God, how did this come to pass? What does this have to do with 9/11? Bin Laden is not in Iraq! This is unjust! It's the kind of short-sightedness that is aggrevatingly ignorant. And there's no need, for saying there's no need.

 

[Peri]

I heard recently that according to the NYT, former and current members of the CIA were asserting that the Pentagon put pressure on the CIA to find evidence to support its objectives.
Was this sour grapes or is there some truth to these claims? It was introduced in the same news report as the CIA intelligence review.

 

[carlosMM]

Originally posted by PantheraTigris2
It's obvious to the point of frustrating that he was totally forgeting the entire Gulf War ordeal in his quest to ascertain the reason for the more recent military operation in Iraq - which is completely ludicrous. Why are we at war? Oh God, how did this come to pass? What does this have to do with 9/11? Bin Laden is not in Iraq! This is unjust! It's the kind of short-sightedness that is aggrevatingly ignorant. And there's no need, for saying there's no need.

what ordeal? The US managing to kill a few thousand people and risk more war jsut lately to find NO WMD?

Or do you mean the last Gulf War, where the US managed to get good relations with most Arab nations despite a history of annoying them to the point of insult (the Hawk AAM disaster, e.g.) by doing what was RIGHT, and staying WTIHIN US RULES? Well, then, that one is OVER!

 

[carlosMM]

Peri: this one was heard a while ago, befoe the war actually, when a few senior CIA officials said there was pressure from Rumsfled on them.

 

[PantheraTigris2]

what ordeal? The US managing to kill a few thousand people

Hey, how's about I use the same crap-lines on you, that you used on me. About nation-bashing, etc. Reporting this BS to mods, blah blah. As if that's going to strike the fear of God into my heart or something. Difference is, I don't act like a kindergartener, so I'll let you say what ever you want, without getting personally engaged in some kind of tattle-tale match. Battle of words - like a man, eh, mein freund?

Oh, what what is you called me in the other post... "you are very unfriendly! Why this needless aggression?" - Ja, and what have you been saying to me - things of beautiful poetry, and compliments to my nation? Never. You are acting hypocritical. Surely you are smart enough to see that.