How diverse is civ6?

[Henri Christophe]

There's a difference. The Chinese dynasties kept removing each other and kept on being deposed, but it was still China, just under a different bloodline. The people were still under the Chinese Empire no matter the dynasty in charge.

Saying that the Qin Empire and the Tang Empire are somewhat different is correct. Saying that China is being blobbed is incorrect

since we have Roman and Byzantium. We can have different stages of China history as different Civ as well.

How is it revisionist? People under the Tang called themselves Chinese. The people under the Qin called themselves Chinese. I can go on and on about this. Dynasties don't change the culture of the people under them.

Chineses call they self the Middle kingdom 中国

 

[The Civs 6]

Dose The Civ 6 even know history or his he speaking from his butt?

You are NOT all of American and as a civ fan having a correct representation is a big deal to me. Afterall this forum IS callec civ fanatics. NOT "eh civ is alright group."
Not to mention civ can be a great starting point for history.
Tell me do 90% of Americans like to be mistaken for British people?

I don't think very many Americans would find it offensive at all. I think you might have some issues with how emotional this subject makes you.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Byzantines called themselves Roman, the Germans called themselves the Holy Roman Empire - that's not determinative of the issue. And the word for China is Zhongguo - middle kingdom - which is vague and nondescriptive. The most you can say is that the Qin Dynasty is the first clearly Han majority Chinese polity in the area.

Meh western always called China a china. Unless you are writting in Chinese, we should just call "china " a china. I have no problem calling Korea a Korea even though you might be talking about Silla or Chosen.

 

[The Civs 6]

Meh western always called China a china. Unless you are writting in Chinese, we should just call "china " a china. I have no problem calling Korea a Korea even though you might be talking about Silla or Chosen.

Yes, that's a great way to make this assessment - what foreigners who were thousands of miles away thought.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I don't think very many Americans would find it offensive at all. I think you might have some issues with how emotional this subject makes you.

Why do we even have representation in Olympic and other national event? Why not just group them in one Angolo nation?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Byzantines called themselves Roman, the Germans called themselves the Holy Roman Empire - that's not determinative of the issue. And the word for China is Zhongguo - middle kingdom - which is vague and nondescriptive. The most you can say is that the Qin Dynasty is the first clearly Han majority Chinese polity in the area.

since we have Roman and Byzantium. We can have different stages of China history as different Civ as well.
Chineses call they self the Middle kingdom 中国

Alright, I digress. We could be able to deblob China with maybe an additional Civ in the regional area, I could agree with that.

However, we should not take the China somewhat-blob as a sign to blob America with New Zealand and England. These three have different cultures, mannerisms, etc.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Yes, that's a great way to make this assessment - what foreigners who were thousands of miles away thought.

It is just a name. Why are you getting worked up? I am sure most Chinese don't care what Western people call them in their language.

 

[The Civs 6]

Why do we even have representation in Olympic and other national event? Why not just group them in one Angolo nation?

I don't think applying post Westphalian notions of statehood to civilizations is productive.

It is just a name. Why are you getting worked up? I am sure most Chinese don't care what Western people call them in their language.

I wouldn't say I'm getting worked up. It just is irrelevant to the issue we are discussing.

Alright, I digress. We could be able to deblob China with maybe an additional Civ in the regional area, I could agree with that.

However, we should not take the China somewhat-blob as a sign to blob America with New Zealand and England. These three have different cultures, mannerisms, etc.

I think the grand scheme of things I have a similar culture to England, although in the long run we might be a new civilization, TBD.

 

[thecrazyscot]

If you get too blobby you get boring civs. Blobs worked fine in previous iterations that didn't have unique abilities/units/etc (like Civ 2), but rapidly become untenable when you're trying to come up with a cohesive set of uniques that represent a culture.

I'd rather have individual cultures thoroughly and uniquely represented through interesting gameplay choices than artificially try to fill up the map just because.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Heck even Scottish people get angry if you call them English- even though both of them belong in one nation. I don’t get how the Civ 6 don't think mixing up a NATION, won't get people mad... even if it is just a game. ( in fact I HATE that reasoning... implying that games are so insignificant that it is not worth being passionate.. when it deals with important matters like nations and culture. )

 

[The Civs 6]

If you get too blobby you get boring civs. Blobs worked fine in previous iterations that didn't have unique abilities/units/etc (like Civ 2), but rapidly become untenable when you're trying to come up with a cohesive set of uniques that represent a culture.

I'd rather have individual cultures thoroughly and uniquely represented through interesting gameplay choices than artificially try to fill up the map just because.

That's fine, and I think that is totally legit. I just have a different taste. I'm just not sure if that really works on 6,000 years of time scale.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I don't think very many Americans would find it offensive at all. I think you might have some issues with how emotional this subject makes you.

As someone who was born in America and then moved, I wouldn't find it offensive, but I would find it odd and ignorant of the different cultures. It's odd that you choose to defend your idea of blobbing all English speaking countries by pointing to a somewhat-blob of China. There is a difference between the two. With the China blob, the people are in the somewhat same regional area under leadership that ostensibly rules over all of them. With your Anglo-blob, we have peoples split by vast oceans with different cultures, different governments, different histories, etc.

I still believe the Chinese blob could be solved with just one minor change, but overall, it's a much better blob than an Anglo-blob.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I think the grand scheme of things I have a similar culture to England, although in the long run we might be a new civilization, TBD.

No you have similar things to Rome. England didn't have cultures in BC.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Heck even Scottish people get angry if you call them English- even though both of them belong in one nation. I don’t get how the Civ 6 don't think mixing up a NATION, won't get people mad... even if it is just a game. ( in fact I HATE that reasoning... implying that games are so insignificant that it is not worth being passionate.. when it deals with important matters like nations and culture. )

Ah, yes. That's death right there if you call a Scot an Englishman.

 

[thecrazyscot]

That's fine, and I think that is totally legit. I just have a different taste. I'm just not sure if that really works on 6,000 years of time scale.

Why not?

 

[The Civs 6]

As someone who was born in America and then moved, I wouldn't find it offensive, but I would find it odd and ignorant of the different cultures. It's odd that you choose to defend your idea of blobbing all English speaking countries by pointing to a somewhat-blob of China. There is a difference between the two. With the China blob, the people are in the somewhat same regional area under the same management. With your Anglo-blob, we have peoples split by vast oceans with different cultures, different governments, different histories, etc.

I still believe the Chinese blob could be solved with just one minor change, but overall, it's a much better blob than an Anglo-blob.

I mean that's your opinion, but it's also completely wrong. See the Qing dynasty, San Guo, the Yuan dynasty, and so on.

Heck even Scottish people get angry if you call them English- even though both of them belong in one nation. I don’t get how the Civ 6 don't think mixing up a NATION, won't get people mad... even if it is just a game. ( in fact I HATE that reasoning... implying that games are so insignificant that it is not worth being passionate.. when it deals with important matters like nations and culture. )

I don't see why it's such a big deal.

No you have similar things to Rome. England didn't have cultures in BC.

I don't get what you are talking about

Why not?

On the scale of thousands of years I don't expect the USA or other, weaker polities to survive.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I don't see why it's such a big deal

And I don’t see why saying ", the people are in the somewhat same regional area under the same management. " is a big deal.

 

[The Civs 6]

And I don’t see why saying ", the people are in the somewhat same regional area under the same management. " is a big deal.

It's not a big deal it's just factually incorrect.

I mean doesn't NZ and Australia still have the queen of England as their head of state?

 

[Kupe Navigator]

It's not a big deal it's just factually incorrect.

And so are you lumping all Anglo nations togather. You might not care but others do. Heck Canada spent most of its history trying REALLY hard to differentiate from USA.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I mean that's your opinion, but it's also completely wrong. See the Qing dynasty, San Guo, the Yuan dynasty, and so on.

Apologies for the bad wording. What I mean is that the Chinese people throughout time considered themselves to be Chinese, no matter the dynasty in charge. I'll edit it to make it right.