How do you see Genghis Khan?

[Dachs]

I'm a serious believer in the falsity of the Mongolian hypothesis like I'm a serious believer in the culpability of the Western 'Allies' in destroying Germany and bringing the United States into an unneccesary war in the service of Imperialism.

woop WOOP

 

[Masada]

This would be for the Second War and not the First

 

[Dachs]

oh

well then

whatever

 

[Masada]

I believe both for the record rawr

 

[General Pilates]

Don't conflate the Mongols as a group existing now with the supposed historical Mongols existing. The current Mongols are a group of nomadic horseman who live on the fringes of the civilised world. Why is it that if these people conquered the world, there's no evidence?!

You don't get it, it all goes back to the aliens. Think of the HUN SKULLS MAN, THE SKULLS

This is not the skull of a human being, any person with EYES will tell you that
any person with INTELLIGENCE can understand that the huns are linked to the aliens with gave the MERKITS weapons to destroy eurasia and stop the HASHASHEEN from discovering their plot
look at the chinese scripts at the time
"great balls of fire rained down from the SKY and there were many bright flashes of light"(Chao 1.34 p.g 567 Shangri-la institute of science)
this tells us that ARTILLERY and LASERS were being used to fight the chinese
furthermore there is proof that the assassins could teleport from place to place and fight the aliens
They attacked salah ad-din because he was a very strong alien warlord and they needed to defeat him
In fact, all of the Zengids were aliens, Nurd ad-din did not die; he was beamed back to his home planet before he could such the BRAINS of the CRUSADERS

god help us all, they will get me next

FOR YOUR SAFETY DO NOT GO TO MONGOLIA THEY ARE HIDING THERE



(Disclaimer: This piece has been concocted for the amusement of the CFC posters. i do not support, nor do I believe in any of the above babble.)

 

[Phrossack]

Looks like a Hun nobleman's skull. They were known to practice cranial deformation.
EDIT: Noticed you said it was Hunnish.

 

[Dachs]

The Huns of Attila: not the Xiongnu.

(Almost certainly. Like, 95% chance.)

 

[General Pilates]

The Huns of Attila: not the Xiongnu.

(Almost certainly. Like, 95% chance.)

That's Attila's huns, alright. Are there even Xiongnu graves identified anywhere?

 

[Dachs]

That's Attila's huns, alright. Are there even Xiongnu graves identified anywhere?

I want to say yes but honestly I think it's almost impossible to tell the members from one steppe tribal coalition from another based solely on grave goods

this isn't the forties when we could pick up a few trinkets and declare them 'hunnic' or whatever and say THEEZ PEEPZ IZ HUNZ

I mean look at all the disagreement over the Xiaohe/Lopnur mummies and whether they were Yuezhi/Tocharioi or ancestors thereof or WHATEVER as though all red-hair people with vaguely Caucasian features Had To Be Yuezhi

I'd even tend to be suspicious of the identification of head-binding with 'Hunnic' people unless somebody more clearly defined whatever the hell Hunnic meant

 

[General Pilates]

I want to say yes but honestly I think it's almost impossible to tell the members from one steppe tribal coalition from another based solely on grave goods

this isn't the forties when we could pick up a few trinkets and declare them 'hunnic' or whatever and say THEEZ PEEPZ IZ HUNZ

I mean look at all the disagreement over the Xiaohe/Lopnur mummies and whether they were Yuezhi/Tocharioi or ancestors thereof or WHATEVER as though all red-hair people with vaguely Caucasian features Had To Be Yuezhi

I'd even tend to be suspicious of the identification of head-binding with 'Hunnic' people unless somebody more clearly defined whatever the hell Hunnic meant

Why, go to a Hungarian souvenir shop and buy yourself a hunnic sword!

Yeah, the whole dispute over 'what the is a hun' confuses the affair.

Then again, Central asia in general is a clusterfudg, though not as bad as Mongolia where reading about every bloody tribe after the Mongol dynasties gives you aneurysms. They change allegiances and merge and break off back into their own tribes and so on, and then the bloody chinese versions of their names don't help in discerning them.

 

[Dachs]

but the Four Oirats from Esen on or so are way more interesting than Činggis himself

so are the Zuungars tbh

and obviously the Manjus

frankly the Činggisids themselves kinda sucked

even though they kinda ruled the better part of the world

 

[Traitorfish]

but the Four Oirats from Esen on or so are way more interesting than Činggis himself

so are the Zuungars tbh

and obviously the Manjus

frankly the Činggisids themselves kinda sucked

even though they kinda ruled the better part of the world

You have to be the only person I know who fanboys archaic Mongolian polities.

 

[General Pilates]

but the Four Oirats from Esen on or so are way more interesting than Činggis himself

so are the Zuungars tbh

and obviously the Manjus

frankly the Činggisids themselves kinda sucked

even though they kinda ruled the better part of the world

Yes, it's great to love the oirats and so on, but I must say, after having the Khalkias appear as both the inner and outer Khalkias and in 12 different places I want to die a bit.

 

[Masada]

FOR YOUR SAFETY DO NOT GO TO MONGOLIA THEY ARE HIDING THERE

I'm sorry, while I don't believe the Mongol hypothesis, that isn't to say that I believe that the Huns were Aliens. However, I do believe the 'Huns' again are another fictional invention. I mean look at the casulties claimed at the 'Battle of the Catalaunian Plains'. Jordannes reports that 165,000 people died and Hydatius claimed 300,000 people died! I mean, that's like... impossible!

 

[Phrossack]

but the Four Oirats from Esen on or so are way more interesting than Činggis himself

so are the Zuungars tbh

and obviously the Manjus

frankly the Činggisids themselves kinda sucked

even though they kinda ruled the better part of the world

How so? I'm actually ignorant of that part of Mongolian history, apart from knowing of the Tumu "Incident", but it seems to me like the Dzungars get infected with smallpox and were then massacred and conquered by the Qing, and the other Mongol tribes were too lacking in unity to do much. The Chinggisids,on the other hand, went from an impoverished small family to the greatest empire the world had ever seen in less than a century.

 

[Masada]

The Chinggisids,on the other hand, went from an impoverished small family to the greatest empire the world had ever seen in less than a century.

Where's the evidence?

 

[Dachs]

Yes, it's great to love the oirats and so on, but I must say, after having the Khalkias appear as both the inner and outer Khalkias and in 12 different places I want to die a bit.

I just assumed it worked like the so-called 'Huns' or the 'Avars', with people actively renaming themselves to gain the mystique of a cool and fearsome name

It certainly makes dealing with the Hephthalites over nine thousand times easier

How so? I'm actually ignorant of that part of Mongolian history, apart from knowing of the Tumu "Incident", but it seems to me like the Dzungars get infected with smallpox and were then massacred and conquered by the Qing, and the other Mongol tribes were too lacking in unity to do much. The Chinggisids,on the other hand, went from an impoverished small family to the greatest empire the world had ever seen in less than a century.

Perhaps it's the same reason why I find the rise of Rome or the campaigns of Alexandros or the history of the Tang pretty boring. Nearly uninterrupted marches of success aren't interesting: they skew the writing towards hagiography, and the historiography, when it is serious business, focuses on such question as 'why did the [insert whatever] succeed' which is a terribly loaded question anyway. It's not that I root for the underdog or any of that garbage, far from it. But when it gets to the point that people can seriously talk about inevitable victory and such and not be laughed out of the building, there's no intrinsic interest to the proceedings, and nobody gives a damn about contingency.

That was kind of disconnected but, uh, there it is.

 

[Lord Baal]

The fall of empires is always more interesting than their rise.

 

[Tee Kay]

The fall of empires is always more interesting than their rise.

Ah, but the fall of one empire coincides with the rise of others.

 

[Lord Baal]

Ah, but the fall of one empire coincides with the rise of others.

Not always. And that's when it's the most interesting. The collapse of an empire into several smaller competing sovereignties is always fun to study. That's why the West is more interesting than Byzantium after the fall of the Western Empire, until Charlemagne had to go and muck it up.