How do you see Genghis Khan?

Here's an interesting website where you can rate people on whether you think they were good or evil:


http://www.evilscale.com/default.aspx


Just for interests sake of course. I'm not saying it proves anything.
 
I guess this might be appropriate:

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I prefer this one:
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Seriously, Marx ranked higher then Mosley? Lenin I could understand but Marx?
Next thing you know they'll be putting Friedman up there because of Pinochet.:rolleyes:
 
A fantastic statesman who united a disparate group of ribal tribes before turning them into the most violent, brutal war machine this world has ever seen (and that includes the Nazis!).

Basically, Genghis Khan Temujin is Emperor Paul-Muad'Dib.

I hate the dune series.
I think he was a cruel, greedy person.
But his effect on history was too great.
1/200 people are related to him.
 
And that's all we could possibly need to know about that site. :lol:

Well, I never claimed it to be accurate. :p I suppose I should have said amusing rather than interesting.
 
Seriously, Marx ranked higher then Mosley? Lenin I could understand but Marx?
Next thing you know they'll be putting Friedman up there because of Pinochet.:rolleyes:
Marx attempted to improve the lot of the working man. Of course he's evil. Now if you'll excuse me, I must drink my martini by the pool out of a Japanese girl's navel, while ordering the demolition of an orphanage.
 
Pah! Orphanages are overrated.

The fact that so many people who Marx's ideas would have helped actually oppose socialism reminds of the quote:

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

--John Steinbeck

But on topic again:

Genghis Khan, for all his military intelligence, was nonetheless brutal beyond measure. And that's my final opinion.
 
Pah! Orphanages are overrated.

The fact that so many people who Marx's ideas would have helped actually oppose socialism reminds of the quote:

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

--John Steinbeck

I hope you're not using that quote to actually argue that Marx is wrong about the proletariat.
 
No, of course not.

I'm a red to the core.

I'm pointing out why it has...issues...in America, and also why people people who would clearly be disadvantaged by doing so are still conservative.
 
I'm pointing out why it has...issues...in America, and also why people people who would clearly be disadvantaged by doing so are still conservative.

Voting for the interests of everybody as opposed to what would benefit yourself the most is the only way any sort of electoral system can work. Also because that voter demographic places a higher value on moral issues, and/or because they don't think socialism would help them, which is a completely fair belief to hold considering its history.
 
I hate the dune series.
I think he was a cruel, greedy person.
But his effect on history was too great.
1/200 people are related to him.

the dune movie from 1984 is one of my beloved scifi films
Muhadib was good and of ghingis Im not sure if he was as great as Muhadib
I dont think
 
Genghis was a lot like Napoleon except his ability was higher and he was never defeated. Both were both military and administrative geniuses. This isn't a common combination. Genghis was far ahead of the typical ruler in his time (almost like a 19th century person being set down in the early 13th century). When you consider that he was an uneducated man from a nomadic community this is very impressive.
He was also very cruel to his enemys but before we think this is so unusual we should consider that several of today's nations are prepared for nuclear war. St. Louis somewhat later in the 13th century had thousands of his subjects killed because they were heretics
 
Genghis wasn't even in Napoleon's league when it comes to military genius. Genghis's genius was really more his generals', sons' and grandsons' genius. Doesn't alter his capacity as an administrator though.
 
Are we sure that "Genghis Khan" and his so-called "Mongol People" ever existed in medieval times? Personally, I am always wary of blatant "Genghis" propaganda that comes from modern Mongolia.

1) Look at the international position of Mongolia in recent history - being subjugated first to Qing China, then to Russia. It is a poor, insignificant country. Yet, Mongolian propaganda wants to make us believe that "Genghis" supposedly was a great conqueror, and he and his descendants surely must have brought their conquered riches back to their homeland. Where are these riches now? Does any of the establishment historians have an answer to that?

2) We are told that "Genghis" and his "Mongols" were bloodthirsty, killing the population of cities who didn't surrender. But how many people died? Where's the demographical analysis, which takes all objective documents, like birth and death certificates, in account? Nowhere! Moreover, some supporters of "Genghis"' existence state in this very thread, that he was not a bloodthirsty warlord, but a capable and benevolent statesman! The propagators of "Genghis" myth can't even keep their own story straight!

3) Same thing with those who insist that "medieval Mongols" existed. In their "respectable history works" we can read that the "Mongols" converted to Islam under Uzbeg Khan in the 14th century. On the other hand, the same "respectable works" state that the "Mongols" converted to Buddhism under Altan Khan in 16th century. These inconsistencies are mind-boggling and prove the might of brainwashing modern Mongolian lobbyists subject the ignorant sheeple of the world.

4) The narrative about the "Golden Horde Mongolians" with their capital in lower Volga is completely incoherent. We are told about "rich cities" of Saray and Ukek, but there's rich historic evidence that when Russian explorers came to these steppes, they saw no "rich cities". Moreover, if there were "Mongols" there, one would expect their descendants to remain there, but the current non-Russian population of these lands considers itself to be "Tatar", "Kalmyk", etc. There's no evidence for existence of the completely mythical "Golden Horde"! Even the name sounds like something from a bad fantasy novel!

To conclude, I don't hate Mongols and am not an enemy of the Mongolian people. But I value truth, and think that the people of the world deserve to know it. We should relentlessly combat the modern Mongolian lies and distortion of history.
 
Smilies do not belong in my previous post, which is an objective sceptical analysis of the modern Mongolian claims.
 
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