How Gypsy gangs use child thieves

luiz said:
From my experience petty theft is common in all Europe, but above all Italy and Spain. And gypsies do seem to be to blame a disproportionate amount of times.

What shocked me the most as a Brazilian is how bold the thieves are. Trying to steal inside the hotel restaurant? Here the security would drag the little bastard to some back alley and hurt him so bad he'd never rob again, that's why people don't even bother to try. Generally speaking your pockets are safer in Rio than in any major european city (the ones I've been to, anyway). As for your head, kind of the opposite.
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you see, kids dont get beat half dead for stealing here, in general.
in turn, when you get mugged you dont run the risk of getting shot, in general.
 
luiz said:
decency to at least put a gun to your head while doing so.
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Yeah, I'd take losing a laptop to having a gun pointed at my head any day.
 
Because if it's a neighborhood where I'd get robbed at gunpoint I won't bring anything worth stealing.
 
I'm glad there is a big ocean separating the United States and Europe.

I want you to keep your gypsies o'er there.
 
J-man said:
It is well known how bad some Rome treat their children. Those should be removed from custody.
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Those who do this will just produce more. And evade the police more. And get the children back from whatever institution the states dump them into. Happens routinely already.
@El_Machinae and others: Is saying this "racism"? No, racism is calling anyone who complains about that state of things "racist". Because the complaint is usually not intended against "gypsies" as a whole, but only against those individuals and groups among them which systematically refuse to live lawfully. Attacking such complains for being "racist" is saying that all gypsies behave in that way - that is racism. And not doing anything about the problem for the sake of "not being racist" only allows it to grow and fester.

Yes, this is a problem, and one which can only be solved by force, by some strong old-fashioned repression which actually scares the originators of these behaviors into changing - the parents and "handlers" of those children. Extensive legal guarantees and a compassionate judiciary system are good, but can only work on the right environment and must adapt to changes. Even when they come in the form of "some poor persecuted minority". Taking away the children is not a good idea because state institutionss are notoriously bad at caring for "grown" children, or even just changing their personality at that stage.
And in fact is that the problem is being solved. Actions cause reactions, the abuse of permissive judicial system by these criminals will cause a hardening of the authority's actions against them - once the popular irritation reaches a critical level. As it seems to have already happened in Italy.
 
Wow, a gypsy thread. I'll use the opportunity to share a wonderful passage from George Orwell's book "Homage to Catalonia" I found when browsing wiki about Spanish Revolution - and which completely cracked me up:
This was in late December 1936, less than seven months ago as I write, and yet it is a period that has already receded into enormous distance. Later events have obliterated it much more completely than they have obliterated 1935, or 1905, for that matter. I had come to Spain with some notion of writing newspaper articles, but I had joined the militia almost immediately, because at that time and in that atmosphere it seemed the only conceivable thing to do. The Anarchists were still in virtual control of Catalonia and the revolution was still in full swing. To anyone who had been there since the beginning it probably seemed even in December or January that the revolutionary period was ending; but when one came straight from England the aspect of Barcelona was something startling and overwhelming. It was the first time that I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle. Practically every building of any size had been seized by the workers and was draped with red flags and with the red and black flag of the Anarchists; every wall was scrawled with the hammer and sickle and with the initials of the revolutionary parties; almost every church had been gutted and its images burnt. Churches here and there were being systematically demolished by gangs of workmen. Every shop and cafe had an inscription saying that it had been collectivized; even the bootblacks had been collectivized and their boxes painted red and black. Waiters and shop-walkers looked you in the face and treated you as an equal. Servile and even ceremonial forms of speech had temporarily disappeared. Nobody said 'Senor' or 'Don' or even 'Ústed'; everyone called everyone else 'Comrade' or 'Thou', and said 'Salud!' instead of 'Buenos días'. Tipping had been forbidden by law since the time of Primo de Rivera; almost my first experience was receiving a lecture from a hotel manager for trying to tip a lift-boy. There were no private motor-cars, they had all been commandeered, and the trams and taxis and much of the other transport were painted red and black. The revolutionary posters were everywhere, flaming from the walls in clean reds and blues that made the few remaining advertisements look like daubs of mud. Down the Ramblas, the wide central artery of the town where crowds of people streamed constantly to and fro, the loud-speakers were bellowing revolutionary songs all day and far into the night. And it was the aspect of the crowds that was the queerest thing of all. In outward appearance it was a town in which the wealthy classes had practically ceased to exist. Except for a small number of women and foreigners there were no 'well-dressed' people at all. Practically everyone wore rough working-class clothes, or blue overalls or some variant of militia uniform. All this was queer and moving. There was much in this that I did not understand, in some ways I did not even like it, but I recognized it immediately as a state of affairs worth fighting for...so far as one could judge the people were contented and hopeful. There was no unemployment, and the price of living was still extremely low; you saw very few conspicuously destitute people, and no beggars except the gypsies. Above all, there was a belief in the revolution and the future, a feeling of having suddenly emerged into an era of equality and freedom. Human beings were trying to behave as human beings and not as cogs in the capitalist machine."
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Q.E.D.
 
Those who do this will just produce more. And evade the police more. And get the children back from whatever institution the states dump them into. Happens routinely already.
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Further to this, if you up the ante, the gangs will up the ante as well.
 
SS-18 ICBM said:
Yeah, I'd take losing a laptop to having a gun pointed at my head any day.
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In case it was not obvious enough, I don't think having a gun pointed at your head is a good thing. Obviously petty theft is much preferable to violent crime, even though when it goes out of control (such as in many places in Europe) petty theft becomes very annoying.

I never cease to amaze myself with having to explain obvious stuff on CFC.
 
luiz said:
Rio (maybe in a favela? Europeans are crazy), but I have never seen any apartment building with a "5 meters fence". The one I live in has no fence and a glass door...
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You have got to be kidding...

In the place I stayed (Ipanema) the apartment block I stayed at was the only one in the street without a fence + security guard at the entance. Perhaps the fences were all only 3 metres high, but this trip was many years ago and memory sometimes tends to exagerate.
 
Winner said:
If I posted this article, I'd be called a racist in the very next post :lol:
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Perhaps the big difference is that the poster didn't also mention ethnic cleansing and forced relocation as the only suitable solution to the Palestinian/Roma/whatever "problem".
 
Riffraff said:
You have got to be kidding...

In the place I stayed (Ipanema) the apartment block I stayed at was the only one in the street without a fence + security guard at the entance. Perhaps the fences were all only 3 metres high, but this trip was many years ago and memory sometimes tends to exagerate.
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Yes, you are exaggerating quite a bit. While fences are common, most could be easily jumped and are there mostly to keep the people on the sidewalk out. Really high "defensive" fences are very rare in Ipanema; a 5 meters high one is unheard of. The overwhelming majority of apartment buildings in Ipanema and anywhere in Rio also do not have security guards, though of course unarmed doormen are quite common.

I live in Lagoa, walking distance to Ipanema, and as I said my apartment building has no fence, no armed security and a glass door entrance.
 
luiz said:
Yes, you are exaggerating quite a bit. While fences are common, most could be easily jumped and are there mostly to keep the people on the sidewalk out. Really high "defensive" fences are very rare in Ipanema; a 5 meters high one is unheard of. The overwhelming majority of apartment buildings in Ipanema and anywhere in Rio also do not have security guards, though of course unarmed doormen are quite common.

I live in Lagoa, walking distance to Ipanema, and as I said my apartment building has no fence, no armed security and a glass door entrance.
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Hmm allright, maybe things have changed since ten years ago. I heard this Lula fellow really is leading Brazil in the right direction.

Spoiler :
;)
 
These Gypsie children are also the cause for tuberculosis. Since they live in other communities when every other European is immunized with vaccines.

But the thing I don't understand is how everyone blames the gypsises? Like gypsises are generally harmless and you just need to know how to deal with them.
I say there is no gypsie problem you just don't know how to deal with them.

Rather if you have a problem with gypsies, make yourself stronger. There will always be people picking on your weakness and if these Berliners and Madridians can't handle gypsies, its just a sign that they are personally losing their edge.
 
I thought it was Mycobacterium tuberculosis that caused TB, not Roma children. Hmm, that's actually an interesting research hypothesis.
 
Thank goodness for the English Chanel, this is why we oppose integration with Europe, since we goto southern Europe and get pick pocketed :p.
 
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