JonathanValjean
Porschephile
I attempt to keep my governmental changes when playing as a non-religious tribe to as few as possible. I usually change 2 times per game: first, to republic, and second, to democracy.
How often do you switch governments? (non-religious)
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Aggie
Deity
But what about wars in the industrial age, before Universal Suffrage and Police Stations? I have a hard time to control war weariness during long term wars in democracy. Is it wise to switch before or early in the war when you know it's going to last long?
When I am at war in a democracy I usually have about %20 lux and may add entertainers in individual cities.
All my central core or productive cities would have a market, temple and catheral, really big ones might have a collossium and I often build the Sistine chapel.
Totally corrupt cities usually have just a temple and entertainers.
I make control of lux resources I lack a prioritory when going to war.
This is usually enough.
PS. I think it is not war that causes war weariness but losing units and enemy units tramping on your land.
Using vast numbers of cheap units as cannon fodder is a bad way to take a city in a democracy. I usually use artillery to soften it up and an army to take out the best defender and then elite cavalry units to take out the remaining defenders this results in much less WW.
All my central core or productive cities would have a market, temple and catheral, really big ones might have a collossium and I often build the Sistine chapel.
Totally corrupt cities usually have just a temple and entertainers.
I make control of lux resources I lack a prioritory when going to war.
This is usually enough.
PS. I think it is not war that causes war weariness but losing units and enemy units tramping on your land.
Using vast numbers of cheap units as cannon fodder is a bad way to take a city in a democracy. I usually use artillery to soften it up and an army to take out the best defender and then elite cavalry units to take out the remaining defenders this results in much less WW.
hbdragon88
haunted by blackness
If you know it's going to be a long war, probably you will change to communism/monarchy beforehand. Anarchy during wartime is disaster if it lasts a long time.
I downloaded a game once and I had to spend 7 turns in anarchy when switching from communism to democracy. Ouch. I had never dealt with such a huge map before with a lot of cities. When I went into democracy, it got overthrown immedality.
Dr. Dr. Doktor
Emperor
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Despotism, then Republic.
I hate Democracy since that message 'government falls' when you declare war is really annoying. Once as Germans I had 7 years of anarchy during the Golden age of Panzers.
I hate Democracy since that message 'government falls' when you declare war is really annoying. Once as Germans I had 7 years of anarchy during the Golden age of Panzers.
There are two possibilities for war:
1. We want to expand our empire or we want to destroy the AI. In this case, we are the superpower. Therefore, we have the power to end the war quickly. If we constantly hit them hard, they will sue for peace within less than 20 turns. Plus, if they declare war on us, our citizens would have about 3 or 4 bonus turns of happiness. And lastly, we try not to leave any troop in our enemy land at the end of turn.
2. We are too weak and they try to eliminate us. First of all, if we are too weak, we should try to avoid war at all cost. Most of the AI's demands aren't much; just give them whatever they ask and they will leave us alone. Also, AI behaviors are so predictable. If we see a stack of doom cross into our border for no reason, we know that they will declare war within the next turn. We also can recognize the coming of war from the diplomatic screen: if the option "leave now or declare war" shows up, we know that the war is coming soon. In this case, we will try to sign MPP with many other civs and drag everyone into the war with us. Since the aggressive civ can't possibly concentrate their force on us when they are at war with multiple civs at the same time, they would also sue for peace quickly too. Moreover, since we are fighting a defensive war to prevent ourselves from annihilation, our citizens would understand that and they would be united to defend their homeland (our citizens aren't stupid, you know
). The war weariness won't be much if we don't have troops inside the enemy soil at the end of the turn. Since we are defending our homeland, all our troop would be at home; therefore, the war weariness will hit our enemy a lot harder than us. This is another reason why they will sue for peace quickly. Just remember that war weariness are affectting the AIs a lot more than it's affecting us (since AIs aren't as smart as we do and they are leaving their units everywhere in their enemy soil).The bottom line, Democracy in Civ3 is very much like Democracy in the real world. If have any doubt, take a look at the United States of America, we are a democratic nation and are fighting war all the time. Sure, there will always be some anti-war protestors, but there are plenty of ways to deal with them.
PS: I rarely build any courthouse or police station. IMO, that's a waste of resource. If you look at most of my game, the courthouse and police station are built during the milking stage (after all world war).
Gothmog
Dread Enforcer
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Im a big pro democracy player as well. Even as an Industrious civ there is no governent I would rather have. I usually go for one other government pre-democracy - rarely two. Depends to some extent on when I get what tech. Because the gov. techs are optional I often don't get them until after the age has passed. It also depends on how many cities I have and how large an army.
Only once have I had to drop out of Democracy, it was on a large map and my opponent was just huge, and I was religious in that game so it was no big deal. If I hadn't been religious, I would have played it out differently.
Only once have I had to drop out of Democracy, it was on a large map and my opponent was just huge, and I was religious in that game so it was no big deal. If I hadn't been religious, I would have played it out differently.
Ribannah
Fighter Druid
Below deity: Despotism -> Republic
By the time someone discovers Democracy, I am usually researching techs in 4-5 turns so there is no point in switching.
I am already saving 8-10 turns of research by bypassing Democracy myself! Add to that some turns of anarchy, and higher war weariness, and going for Democracy sounds just plain silly.
By the time someone discovers Democracy, I am usually researching techs in 4-5 turns so there is no point in switching.
I am already saving 8-10 turns of research by bypassing Democracy myself! Add to that some turns of anarchy, and higher war weariness, and going for Democracy sounds just plain silly.
Trev
Prince
Depotism -> Republic -> (Democracy- optional)
One or two changes for me, if fighting wars or building useful wonders wait till they are finished before changing, in more recent games have usually had the one change of gov't only, never had collapse of gov't through WW, even on democracy, but have been forced to 40% luxuries and many entertainers to keep the war going to a suitable end point though
One or two changes for me, if fighting wars or building useful wonders wait till they are finished before changing, in more recent games have usually had the one change of gov't only, never had collapse of gov't through WW, even on democracy, but have been forced to 40% luxuries and many entertainers to keep the war going to a suitable end point though
Tiger_Nation
Warlord
despot-Monarch-democracy
although in my current game i was going so good in techs i have simply gone from despot-democracy
although in my current game i was going so good in techs i have simply gone from despot-democracy
Txurce
Deity
I am part of the despotism-to-republic crowd, but Moonsinger's leap from despotism to democracy in deity sounds interesting.
Moonsinger, I assume that you have to wait longer while in despotism for the AI to research democracy. Is the worker-production advantage enough to justify those extra turns in depotism (versus republic)?
Moonsinger, I assume that you have to wait longer while in despotism for the AI to research democracy. Is the worker-production advantage enough to justify those extra turns in depotism (versus republic)?
KOL
Chieftain
I don't really change gov't's that often....
and thats it for me.....
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- Monarchy
and thats it for me.....
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Warlord
Once to Republic, twice to Democracy. Nuff said.
nullspace
King
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Despotism -> Republic
I change to Republic ASAP , and then I don't bother researching Printing Press or Democracy. Democracy is probably the best government in the game, but it isn't that much better than Republic. Not worth researching or buying two optional techs and the period of anarchy (IMHO). Although, on Deity, the AIs might have Democracy before you switch from Despotism, in which case, it is a good government to switch to.
I change to Republic ASAP , and then I don't bother researching Printing Press or Democracy. Democracy is probably the best government in the game, but it isn't that much better than Republic. Not worth researching or buying two optional techs and the period of anarchy (IMHO). Although, on Deity, the AIs might have Democracy before you switch from Despotism, in which case, it is a good government to switch to.
It's really all depending on your style. Since Republic and Monarch isn't required for entering the Middle Age, I spend most of my gold on getting Chivary and upgrading all my horsemans to knights. Then I used my knights to beat up the weakest civ for tech. Staying in Despotism is the only way I could be able to support my huge army (since we get 4 free unit support in Despotism). Therefore, I'm usually not in any hurry to get away from Despotism.
Strikefang
Chieftain
Hey there, (New to the forums, bad veteran at Civ 
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I only ever use 2 governments (besides Depositm), which suits my playing style, which is winning mostly through military power and science as the Germans.
Depositm>Monarchy>Communism
I choose wether to go or stay Monarchy or Communist depending on situation.
I'd probably never go Republic or Democrat, because of the high army costs, especially since I'm always at war with someone and his brother. But if by some odd chance I wasn't planning on dominating the world (silly bean, thats just not right!) then I might consider Republic, but under most circumstances... hehe.
)I only ever use 2 governments (besides Depositm), which suits my playing style, which is winning mostly through military power and science as the Germans.
Depositm>Monarchy>Communism
I choose wether to go or stay Monarchy or Communist depending on situation.
I'd probably never go Republic or Democrat, because of the high army costs, especially since I'm always at war with someone and his brother. But if by some odd chance I wasn't planning on dominating the world (silly bean, thats just not right!) then I might consider Republic, but under most circumstances... hehe.
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