How to make your game more historicly acurate
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FascistRepublic
Warlord
Little Corporal said:
1. You are refering to an older list, now its become: U-Boat, for Germany, 9/4/3 submarine, same cost, avalible with combustion instead of mass production.
2. Its a balencing act due to decresed defence.
3. You have a point, but were Scouts, Conquisadors, Explorers, or often settelers? Therefore, the game shows that single acting units are acceptable.
4. Im thinking of the big guys in heavy black armor. They would crush a horse if hey tried to ride one.
5.So are you suggesting they repace musketmen?
Little Corporal
fromage
1. I was refering to the latest posted list. But that isn't good for the U-Boat either. U-Boats were famous for operating far from Germany, not for having firepower greater than competing submarines. Germany also was not the first to develop submarines. I would recommend making the unterseeboat a submarine available at the same time the regular one is, with identical stats except for an increased movement capacity.FascistRepublic said:
2. The redcoats really had nothing special about them. I would scrap that idea and instead give England a Royal Marine UU with increased offensive and defensive capabilites.
3. Scouts, conquistadores,explorers, and settlers are notsingle individuals. Scout units would probably be a wandering tribe of people who explored the wilderness, conquistadores were a group of people (Cortez didn't do all that Aztec killing by himself, he had around 30 companions) Explorers would definitely be a group of people (think Lewis and Clark style expedition) and Settlers contain enough people to make a size 1 city, which contains around 10000 people.
4. I doubt that these gothic knights' armor weighed much more than that worn by other knights, who could easily be carried by the gargantuan warhorses they rode.
5. Yep.
Sashie VII
Balance of Power
IMO, the similarity between them is that they move as one group in real life.choxorn said:
If you ask me, everything but seafaring fits to America.
Topic of discussion: The Aztec Jaguar Warrior. It currently replaces Warrior, but in reality, the Aztecs, as well as the Maya, and Inca, didn't have horses. So maybe the 2nd UU's of these civs should replace Chariots/Horses. The Iroqouis also didn't have Horses either, but they already have a Horse UU.
Suggestion:
Mayan Plumed Archer (yes, I got this from AOEII), 3/1/2, replaces chariot and Horseman. Although it should replace archer, there's already a Mayan archer UU.
Topic of discussion: The Aztec Jaguar Warrior. It currently replaces Warrior, but in reality, the Aztecs, as well as the Maya, and Inca, didn't have horses. So maybe the 2nd UU's of these civs should replace Chariots/Horses. The Iroqouis also didn't have Horses either, but they already have a Horse UU.
Suggestion:
Mayan Plumed Archer (yes, I got this from AOEII), 3/1/2, replaces chariot and Horseman. Although it should replace archer, there's already a Mayan archer UU.
FascistRepublic
Warlord
I like the idea, and I'll put the Plumed archers on the big list. Thought the extra stats/ no reasouce combo will make me put some extra sheilds on it.
Like I said beofre, I think Industrios and Expansionist fit America the best. Mabey substiute expansionst for commercial, but thats still really pushing it.
Updates: I decided the earlier argument on Magellan's Voyage holds, it will never obsolete.
Like I said beofre, I think Industrios and Expansionist fit America the best. Mabey substiute expansionst for commercial, but thats still really pushing it.
Updates: I decided the earlier argument on Magellan's Voyage holds, it will never obsolete.
Sashie VII
Balance of Power
FascistRepublic said:
Though some might consider Militaristic these days
I think you should take into account about 400 years of history, not just the last 50 years. If you do, expansionist make perfect sense, and industrious as well.
Mirc
Not mIRC!!!
I have to agree and present you the new Civ3 moderator: choxorn!
I lack in knowledge about american civilizations before Columbus. I know much of the history of the conquest of America, but not much about what happened before.
I lack in knowledge about american civilizations before Columbus. I know much of the history of the conquest of America, but not much about what happened before.
timerover51
Deity
choxorn said:@ mod comment: like I said in another thread, you're too kind...
I don't know much either, but I know there were no Horses in North/South America until the Europeans introduced them there.
Another problem is that none of the American Indian civilizations developed the wheel either. Everything was transported via sledge or travois. They also had not developed any method of iron smelting, and their work in copper was restricted to native copper nuggets, with no alloys except those that occurred naturally. While the Aztec, Mayan, and Incan civilizations were quite advanced in some respects, when it came to metal working and use, they were still for the most part in the Stone Age. If you are looking for historical accuracy for them, one very valuable resource would be obsidian, which was used very heavily for weapons and weapons points. With respect to the Incans, their ability to terrace the mountainous terrain which they lived in should be recognized with a Terrace Agriculture tech advance, allowing them to produce food from mountainous terrain. Likewise, the Llama should be available as a food resource found in mountainous terrain, along with the guinea pig. For the Mayans and Aztecs, substitute the turkey for cattle or llama.
You should also not forget the roughly 60 million bison that lived on the plains and in open forested areas in North America, and the immense quantities of both fish and fowl (ducks, geese, and the now extinct passenger pigeon) that existed here prior to the European settlement. On most of the maps I have seen, there is no recognition of the enormous fishing resources of the Grand Banks off of Newfoundland, nor of the immense number of whales that existed there prior to roughly 1700. There are a bunch of other resources of food and materials that existed in North and South America that I could mention, but this post is getting somewhat long, so I will cut it off. Look for a thread from me on historical resources.
FascistRepublic
Warlord
A very good point. So mabey we should just do what rise and rule did, and have each culture have a flavor.
Well, as FR said, Rise and Rule did it.
FascistRepublic
Warlord
I think they have flavor buttons in the editor, at least conquests. I was never really sure what they did till RaR.
Flavor buttons? It's just a way to make the same unit seem different. Like having American Riflemen, Asian Rifleman, that kind of thing. RnR really utilizes this, on several units. They're the same unit, but split up into 'flavors'. Hence the name. 
