How would a war between _____ and _____ go?

[RedRalph]

This might be fun. Obviously, every war has different objectives and aims, etc, so for the purposes of this thread lets just say that the war would be won either when the central government of the opponent ceases to function, or one side surrenders. Lets assume a 3 month period beforehand where both sides are preparing for war. No allies (except where stated), conventional weapons only, supplies reaching as they would in a real war situation. OK, lets go

China vs Japan & South Korea
Australia vs Indonesia
South Korea vs Japan
Iran vs Turkey (juicy one)
Saudi Arabia vs Iran
Egypt vs Israel
Morocco vs Algeria
Russia vs Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia
Poland vs Ukraine
Brazil vs Argentina
Columbia vs Venezuela and Ecuador

 

[azzaman333]

I would win them all.

 

[trader/warrior]

China vs Japan & South Korea

If it goes through North Korea I could see Japan&Korea managing a blitz through and reach a bit into China. They could definetely hold off any attempt of naval invasion by china and wreck their naval and air assets. Any war of attrition over longer time China would win if they have a land front.

Australia vs Indonesia

Stalemate or Australia

South Korea vs Japan

hmm... Everybody lose

Iran vs Turkey (juicy one)

Difficult... I would say Turkey pull a mediocre victory. Lots of dead soldiers.Lots and Lots and Lots.

Saudi Arabia vs Iran

Kind of difficult to determine with no land border or obvious place the war would occur. The one that invades loses. Saudis would win a Naval/air war.

Egypt vs Israel

Israel. Duh.

Morocco vs Algeria

No idea.. but Morocco is more militarized no?

Russia vs Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia

Russia. Might not be total domination though.

Poland vs Ukraine

No idea but i"ll be rooting for poland to get their land back

Brazil vs Argentina

Brazil for some reason (No idea)

Columbia vs Venezuela and Ecuador

Colombia... If we were to erase all history of US cooperation it may be otherwise.



To sum it all up; Bla bla bla I have no idea

 

[Phlegmak]

This might be fun. Obviously, every war has different objectives and aims, etc, so for the purposes of this thread lets just say that the war would be won either when the central government of the opponent ceases to function, or one side surrenders. Lets assume a 3 month period beforehand where both sides are preparing for war. No allies (except where stated), conventional weapons only, supplies reaching as they would in a real war situation. OK, lets go

China vs Japan & South Korea
Australia vs Indonesia
South Korea vs Japan
Iran vs Turkey (juicy one)
Saudi Arabia vs Iran
Egypt vs Israel
Morocco vs Algeria
Russia vs Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia
Poland vs Ukraine
Brazil vs Argentina
Columbia vs Venezuela and Ecuador

Ok, I'll play.

1. China wins, while losing many more troops than the opponents.
2. Indonesia wins.
3. Japan wins or stalemate.
4. Stalemate.
5. Iran wins.
6. Israel wins.
7. Dunno
8. 3 allied nations beat Russia.
9. Poland wins.
10. Brazil wins.
11. Stalemate.

 

[RedRalph]

China vs Japan & South Korea - I think China would win this one fairly handily

Australia vs Indonesia - I'm not sure but I'm guessing Indonesia would have a slight edge

South Korea vs Japan - South Korea

Iran vs Turkey (juicy one) - Interesting RRW, if I may say so. I really don't know. anyone make an educated assessment?

Saudi Arabia vs Iran - I think SA has the better airforce, but Iran the better navy... I'd hazard a guess that Iran might just win it

Egypt vs Israel - Israel

Morocco vs Algeria - No idea!

Russia vs Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia - Russia, but with heavy casualties on all sides

Poland vs Ukraine - Poland

Brazil vs Argentina - Brazil

Columbia vs Venezuela and Ecuador - Venezuela and Ecuador, but only just

 

[Virote_Considon]

China vs Japan & South Korea

I think China would be able to take out South Korea (I'm assuming they're allowed through the North?), but won't be able to launch an amphibious invasion of Japan. Japan would probably surrender first, though.

Australia vs Indonesia

I don't think either side would be able to make any substantial progress in each others' territories, really.

South Korea vs Japan

Again, nothing conclusive here, it would really amount to a few naval skirmishes.

Iran vs Turkey (juicy one)

Depending on how involved with the war they get, I think, really, that both would lose

Saudi Arabia vs Iran

I think it would result in a Shi'ite-controlled Mecca.

Egypt vs Israel

Israel. And I know you said no allies, but Syria would get involved. And it would still be Israel who wins.

Morocco vs Algeria

I think Morocco would have the advantage over Algeria, but they'd probably lose Western Sahara, too.

Russia vs Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia

I think that Russian tanks would be entering Kiev and Tbilisi fairly quickly. Turkey would probably take quite a bit longer, and would surrender before Russia can make too many gains. It would result in Ukraine losing its Eastern half, and Russia would probably also support the independence of Kurdistan.

Poland vs Ukraine

I'm going to give the edge to Poland here, I think. They'll probably retake up to L'viv, then declare a truce. If things did become really protracted, I say that the Ukrainian government will capitulate.

Brazil vs Argentina

Oh, this would be a bloody war! It would probably be a stalemate, but if things became really protracted, I'm going to say Argentina, simply because their economy could probably take it more.

Columbia vs Venezuela and Ecuador

Well, since we're ruling out American involvement, then the alliance will win. It's bad enough that Colombia's being attacked on opposite sides. When you factor in the FARC, they're going to be way too over-extended.

 

[Bill3000]

This might be fun.

No, it's not. Military wankfests between armchair generals are obnoxious, boring, and not even as interesting as alternate history.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

What about Australia vs. Hong Kong?


Link to video.

 

[Racsoviale]

Australia vs Indonesia

and

Russia vs Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia

these two scenarios i feel is a bit weird. You have Turkey allied with Ukraine, but not NZ with Australia(which would be more plausible imo)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzus

 

[RedRalph]

No, it's not. Military wankfests between armchair generals are obnoxious, boring, and not even as interesting as alternate history.

How profound.

 

[trader/warrior]

A bit too ambitious OP I think. So many scenarios at once and so unrealistic in todays world it makes for little in depth discussion and lots of short answers.

btw. Does Ukraine still have unreasonably large weapons stockpiles or were they all sold off in the 90s?

 

[Patroklos]

China vs Japan & South Korea - China would take SK after absorbing tremendous casualties, Japan could hold out for awhile but doing so indefinetly would be futile.

Australia vs Indonesia - Stalemate. I have every confidence Australia could destroy Indonesia's navy, but whoever wins is irrelevant because neither has a Navy remotely capable of interdicting the trade of the other even before absorbing casualties to achieve superiority.

South Korea vs Japan - Japan. Japan has a slight advantage in naval power, but more importantly it is in a perfect position to maintain a blockade of SK who will then wither on the vine.

Iran vs Turkey (juicy one) - Turkey. It will be a bloddy one but assuming we are not going for conquest victory here Turkey will most definetly win in the field. I feel a lot of people here don't have a very good idea of just what the Turkish military looks like, I suggest you wiki it.

Saudi Arabia vs Iran - Saudi Arabia. While Iran does have a larger navy SA's is more advanced by far. However, Iran does have submarines that will cause some problems. SA's airforce is superior by far, but not enough to really carry out any relevant attacks on Iran. The real deciding factor here is geography. The vast bulk of Iranian oil exports and material imports has to come through Persian gulf ports, while SA has Jeddah on its west coast which is immune to Iranian attack. Both sides have the ability to close of the SOH to each other, so Iran eventually withers on the vine as well.

Egypt vs Israel - Isreal, no brainer.

Morocco vs Algeria - No idea really, but I think Morocco is in a better natural position.

Russia vs Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia - Stalemate, only because of Turkey.

Poland vs Ukraine - Poland.

Brazil vs Argentina - Brazil, far more modern capabilities.

Columbia vs Venezuela and Ecuador - Stalemate. None of them have any real ability to invade the other (well maybe Colombia can take Equador).

 

[Munch]

What about Australia vs. Hong Kong?


Link to video.

Timeless. "The stretched twig of piece is ... at melting point. People here are literally bursting with war."

 

[TheLastOne36]

Columbia vs Venezuela and Ecuador

Granted that there is no US intervention, Venezuela.

The USA will not fight an unwinnable war against Venezuela, Russia, Iran, Libya, Ecuador, China and Honduras.

Colombia's military resources are being payed with AMERICAN taxes and are being stretched to the limit fighting drug cartels. They are in a worse situation than Mexico, just that we don't hear it.

Is USA get's involved, Than it will end up being a stalemate between Venezuela and Colombia, with Chavez disposed/with more power, American Economic crash starting the second great depression in less than a decade. Not to mention that relations with Russia, China the EU and all of Latin America will go sour.

I think there is just to much of a risk if USA Get's involved, so they won't. But the war is near impossible of happening anyway, so we shouldn't worry.

Oh, this would be a bloody war! It would probably be a stalemate, but if things became really protracted, I'm going to say Argentina, simply because their economy could probably take it more.

Brazil will soon have Oil.

 

[Patroklos]

I assumed these were one on one slugfests.

 

[TheLastOne36]

If so, than quite obviously Venezuela.

One country has oil, backing from Russia and China(guess who gifts them the weapons), and is stable and not fighting a civil war as opposed to a fairly poor country with more cartels than military.

 

[Patroklos]

If so, than quite obviously Venezuela.

Venezula could certainly keep Colombia from invading it, but their ability to push into Colombia is suspect at best.

One country has oil, backing from Russia and China(guess who gifts them the weapons), and is stable and not fighting a civil war as opposed to a fairly poor country with more cartels than military.

If you factor in Russian and Chinese help to Venezuala then you have to factor in US help to Columbia which yeilds a Colombian win.

Venezuala having oil is really irrelevant. Columbia has a west coast entirely impervious to interdiction fron Venezuala through which it can import as normal. In fact, Venezuala's entirely interdictable coast line is a big liability.

 

[Virote_Considon]

American Economic crash starting the second great depression in less than a decade.

Wait, what? Venezuelan trade isn't that important to the American economy. It certainly can't be more important than Iraqi trade prior to the Second Gulf War, and that didn't bring a great depression.

Brazil will soon have Oil.

Then I guess it all depends on how quickly they utilize it

 

[JohnRM]

China vs Japan & South Korea
US enters war on the behalf of Japan and the ROK.
DPRK enters war on behalf of the PRC.
PRC expands the conflict by invading the ROC.

Should the war remain conventional, South Korea and Taiwan are overrun and occupied. The Allies (US, Japan) cannot hope to reclaim these territories and the war comes to some sort of end, on that basis. One hundred million dead.

Should the war go nuclear, China and North Korea are utterly destroyed. South Korea and Japan are utterly destroyed. Two to three dozen major metropolitan areas in the western United States are destroyed. One quarter billion to one billion dead.


Australia vs Indonesia - Won't happen

South Korea vs Japan - Won't happen

Iran vs Turkey
US enters the war on behalf of Turkey, in any event. If Iran attacks or is perceived to have attacked Turkey, the NATO alliance is activated. Turkey alone, defeats Iran within a few years. Turkey and US/NATO defeat Iran handily within a few months. Several hundred thousand dead.

Saudi Arabia vs Iran
Very interesting scenario. Iran would draw many jihadists to its cause. Saudi Arabia would be supported by most of the world. If Saudi Arabia is attacked, it would be Gulf War III and Iran is defeated within months. In a pure Saudi V. Iran conflict, it is a dead-lock. A protracted air and naval conflict across the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz will cause little actual damage to either country. The rest of the world will suffer the most due to skyrocketing petrol prices and lack of supply. No winner. Less than one hundred thousand deaths.

Egypt vs Israel
Israel is still better-armed, better-trained, better-motivated, and still maintains a nuclear deterrent. Even if Egypt were to make such a mistake to commit to war on Israel, and even if it were to be supported by nations such as Syria, Iran, or any other, Egypt would be rendered impotent within weeks or months.

Russia vs Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia
A Russian attack on Turkey would activate the NATO alliance, which ends in nuclear holocaust. Should Turkey ally with Ukraine and Georgia, in any event, the war would drag on forever and there would be too many deaths to calculate.

Poland vs Ukraine - Why?!

Brazil vs Argentina
The vast resources and economic power of Brazil would eventually overwhelm Argentina. The bitterest part of the war would be in the first few months to a year, until Argentine forces are exhausted. Brazil would be quicker to replace and replenish its military forces lost in the field. Several hundred thousand dead.

Columbia vs Venezuela and Ecuador
In order for such a conflict to take place, Venezuela and Ecuador would have to attack Colombia. The United States would commit to the defense of Colombia, resulting in the defeat of both Venezuela and Ecuador. However, Ecuador's currency is the U.S. Dollar. Before any war would be possible, it would have to adopt a new currency or suffer massive and immediate damage to its economy.

 

[Gooblah]

I like this thread idea, RRW. Let's go, shall we?

China vs Japan & South Korea

China, hands-down. Even if the Japanese got rid of the constitutional thing and instituted a draft, the aging population would be killer. While they and the Koreans probably have the technological edge, sadly the full-scale Gundam probably couldn't be built in three months, meaning that Japan would be hoed, unless, like Israel, they have nuclear weapons they haven't revealed. We'd probably see some cession of South Korean territory to North Korea in exchange for no-nuclear promises and the threat of the nuclear devastation that wrecked Japan.

Australia vs Indonesia

Indonesia has raw numbers, like the Chinese, and mild naval capability. Australia has the tech. Their borders are close enough that they could launch land-borne air attacks against each other; Australia would probably gain air superiority, but couldn't match that with significant land gains. It would be like a modern war against a backwards Shaka: he throws six 100-unit stacks your way which you kill at heavy losses.

South Korea vs Japan

What? Okay, um....South Korea. Haxxor war takes place, with all Korean MMOs re-released in WAR VERSION to hack into Japanese databases and stuff. Japan eventually DOES build Gundam, but Korea retaliates with uber-Roan (Ragnarok ref; sadly, it's part Japanese, part Korean) and they reach a stalemate. Then, out of nowhere, Korean nukes rape Japan. While the whole world was focusing on North Korea, nobody realized the cute little brother the older, mentally deranged one whose writings in blood were about was really the one doing nuclear tests.

Iran vs Turkey (juicy one)

...zum...Turkey? No idea. Um......Iran tries to invade through....Iraq? Azerbaijan/Armenia? And then Turkey does....something? No clue here.

Saudi Arabia vs Iran

BURNING SANDS [euphemism for female dogs]!!! :burn:

Egypt vs Israel

Israel takes Sinai, nukes the Great Pyramid, nukes Cairo, then eats Palestinian babies for dinner.

I jest, I jest.

(only about the babies part, tho)

Russia vs Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia

The Estranged Alliance beats Big Brother.

Poland vs Ukraine

Another WTH option. Um....The Poles sense an opportunity to further redefine the center line of Europe and push the Ukranians to Crimea, then annex them to Russia, then claim that such actions resulted in Ulaanbataar becoming the new Warsaw in terms of East-West divide, forcing the EU to recognize them in a resolution passed by the European Parliament as Western European.

Brazil vs Argentina

Either way, still a GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

Columbia vs Venezuela and Ecuador

The latter alliance, but then DEMOCRACY KICKS IN and everyone is happy.