Humankind Game by Amplitude

[Siptah]

There was also no screenshot on Friday, so maybe someone is sick or there is a problem of some sort.

 

[Cat-du-fromage]

OR maybe there is a big reveal coming! (a man can dream :S)

EDIT: Franks Revealed

 

[CivLuvah]

Imgur album updated to include the Franks
https://imgur.com/a/4cPjGSY

 

[Guandao]

Here's my two cents on the Iroquois. Sure their settlements left few archaeological traces behind besides imprints in the soil. But they cleared a great deal of the forests for their agriculture. And sources described fields of the three sisters surrounding all the Iroquoian settlements for many miles. Hiawatha's background in Civ5 didn't help to dispel stereotypes about Native Americans north of the Rio Grande. I mean, a small stream, some random big rock and trees was the best they could come up with? How about being inside a longhouse or in a settlement surrounded by palisades? Pocatello's background was the same deal, but the Shoshone were less settled/more nomadic than the Iroquois.

I wish a descendant of a Mississippian mound building culture (Choctaw, Chickasaw, Muskogee, Cherokee, Natchez) were added to games like Civ and Humankind more. Sure we don't have written records of the leaders of Cahokia, so why not use a leader from the post-Columbian/post-contact period?

Luckily Humankind doesn't have this problem, so the Mississippians can be added some where down the line. And the Ancestral Puebloans (no need to consult them for dialogue, so I'm sure their descendants won't be too angry).

 

[Gwydden]

Luckily Humankind doesn't have this problem, so the Mississippians can be added some where down the line. And the Ancestral Puebloans (no need to consult them for dialogue, so I'm sure their descendants won't be too angry).

I am now trying to picture what an acceptable level of anger would look like.

Jokes aside, yes, I agree the Mississippians and the Anasazi would make good DLC picks for the Medieval Era.

 

[Guandao]

I am now trying to picture what an acceptable level of anger would look like.

Jokes aside, yes, I agree the Mississippians and the Anasazi would make good DLC picks for the Medieval Era.

I guess Anasazi is more easier to remember than Hisatsinom or Ancestral Puebloan. The Puebloans (Tewa, Hopi, Zuni etc) today dislike the name because it is a Navajo word meaning something like "enemy ancestor". The Navajo and Apache were latecomers to the region, originating up north in present-day Canada (at least based on their Na-Dene languages).

 

[Krajzen]

Anasazi is one of those annoying sitiations when the name sounds really badass and really exotic and really cool for our Western ears but then it turns out its actually wrong or offensive, and the appropriate name is much less badass sounding. I know the infamous etymology of "Anasazi" but to this dsy when I think of the magnificent civilization of Mesa Verde I think "Anasazi" and when I think of "Pueblo" I see, for some reason, a random Indian 19th century man in a certain cultural clothes standing in the middle of New Mexican desert. Human brain is weird.

Maybe this is because (correct me if I'm wrong) while Anasazi is of *some* local origin, Pueblo is word of Spanish origin, so it sounds less real?

To be honest I'd half heartedly argue that it doesn't matter that much if a certain name has unpleasant origin if almost nobody remembers that and it is used to describe culture treated with respect and enthusiasm. "Eskimo" and "Anasazi are offensive while "Indians and "Aborigines" are absurd but almost always when those words our used by the world they are neutral descriptors of respected cultures. "Sudan" literally meant "land of the blacks" (often disparsging term) and yet we have proud modern "Sudanese nationalism". Or the hilarious case of Persia vs Iran, when the second name is an endonym while the first is a confusing exonym, but Iranian people themselves often like to use the former term because a) It is usually spoken with respect by Western popular culture b) It dissociates from the trainwreck of modern Iranian regimes c) It clearly distinguishes "them" from other "Iranian peoples".

*Sigh* still, usually proper terms should win and if some peoples name literally means "our enemies" that name probably shouldnt be used, even if it sounds neutral to badass for us.
Also, the cultures respected by the outside world under those "neutral" names are often discriminates in their own postcolonial countries under those "neutral" names...

 

[Guandao]

The name Iroquois also originated from an enemy people of the Iroquois, I believe it was a Siouan people who provided the name to French explorers. Its meaning has something to do with “snakes” unless I’m mistaken. I understand Haudenosaunee might be too long for many people though. Iroquois has a French sounding feel to it though...like Illinois.

 

[Zaarin]

The name Iroquois also originated from an enemy people of the Iroquois, I believe it was a Siouan people who provided the name to French explorers. Its meaning has something to do with “snakes” unless I’m mistaken.

Algonquians, and it means "people-eaters." Sioux comes from Ojibwa and means "little snakes" (specifically the massasauga, a rattlesnake native to the Midwest).

 

[Gwydden]

Algonquians, and it means "people-eaters." Sioux comes from Ojibwa and means "little snakes" (specifically the massasauga, a rattlesnake native to the Midwest).

Clearly, the creators of these exonyms were kinder than me. I would have simply gone for "those ***** who keep stealing my bison."

 

[Guandao]

Algonquians, and it means "people-eaters." Sioux comes from Ojibwa and means "little snakes" (specifically the massasauga, a rattlesnake native to the Midwest).

looks like I misremembered! But Algonquians and people eaters makes more sense than what I stated. Also Mohawk isn’t even the Mohawk name for themselves, something like Kanienkeha.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

This conversation makes me wonder what percentage of cultures are known to history by names they gave themselves, versus how many are known by names given to them by others? I'm guessing the scale is tilted towards the latter.

Even in Europe, the English call the inhabitants east of the Rhine "Germans", which I believe is what the Romans called one particular group of the people who lived in that area, rather than anything close to "Deutsche" (and English is supposedly part of the same language group). For some reason, despite French being a Romantic language, in France they don't use the old Latin term and instead call those people "Allemands" (on a good day), probably another sub group named from afar. I'm scared to ask what Poles call them.

Dig deep enough, and I wouldn't be surprised to find some of these roughly translated at some long ago time to "those ***** who keep stealing our boars".

 

[Zaarin]

This conversation makes me wonder what percentage of cultures are known to history by names they gave themselves, versus how many are known by names given to them by others? I'm guessing the scale is tilted towards the latter.

Heavily towards the latter, but when talking about Native Americans it often depends who was whose ally. For example, the Iroquois and the French were enemies, but the French were allied with the Algonquins. So the French called the Iroquois what the Algonquins called them. On the other hand, Algonquin itself is a rough rendition of what the Algonquins called themselves, Elakómkwik.

 

[mitsho]

Even in Europe, the English call the inhabitants east of the Rhine "Germans", which I believe is what the Romans called one particular group of the people who lived in that area, rather than anything close to "Deutsche" (and English is supposedly part of the same language group). For some reason, despite French being a Romantic language, in France they don't use the old Latin term and instead call those people "Allemands" (on a good day), probably another sub group named from afar. I'm scared to ask what Poles call them.

Dig deep enough, and I wouldn't be surprised to find some of these roughly translated at some long ago time to "those ***** who keep stealing our boars".

The polish name for Germans roughly translates to "those we don't understand". Wikipedia has a nice list, and yes, oftentimes the name of a subgroup has to stand in for the whole. In Swiss slang for example, all Germans are Swabians, the "tribe" closest to us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Germany?wprov=sfla1

 

[notNamed]

Even in Europe, the English call the inhabitants east of the Rhine "Germans", which I believe is what the Romans called one particular group of the people who lived in that area, rather than anything close to "Deutsche" (and English is supposedly part of the same language group).

For some reason, despite French being a Romantic language, in France they don't use the old Latin term and instead call those people "Allemands" (on a good day), probably another sub group named from afar. I'm scared to ask what Poles call them.

The reason for English discrepancy is Netherlands. You see, Germans were called either by their individual ethnicities "Saxons, Bavarians,..." or collectively as Dutch (same as Deutsch). This became an issue in the US. It didn't matter much for the outside world, but once you had a massive immigrant population of both Dutch and Dutch next to each other and the English-speaking officials had to make any sense of this (imagine being the guy who sends a Dutch interpreter to a town for your presidency campaign only to find out no one in the town can understand what he's saying), problems arose. That and obvious potential for diplomatic incidents resulted in English adopting the Latin word for them, Germani, and calling it a day.
French, actually living next to Germans, simply use the name these people called themselves that Latin ended up borrowing.

 

[Siptah]

So today or tomorrow should see the "immersive sounds" dev diary. Hopefully, we do not just hear ancient, classical and medieval sounds ;-)

 

[Zaarin]

The reason for English discrepancy is Netherlands. You see, Germans were called either by their individual ethnicities "Saxons, Bavarians,..." or collectively as Dutch (same as Deutsch). This became an issue in the US. It didn't matter much for the outside world, but once you had a massive immigrant population of both Dutch and Dutch next to each other and the English-speaking officials had to make any sense of this (imagine being the guy who sends a Dutch interpreter to a town for your presidency campaign only to find out no one in the town can understand what he's saying), problems arose. That and obvious potential for diplomatic incidents resulted in English adopting the Latin word for them, Germani, and calling it a day.

English has a cognate word, thede, but it's dialectal.

 

[Siptah]

So today or tomorrow should see the "immersive sounds" dev diary. Hopefully, we do not just hear ancient, classical and medieval sounds ;-)

Uh, a Screenshot of an English city instead. Color me surprised.

 

[FinalDoomsday]

Could we see the sounds diary today? They usually show up on thursdays right?

 

[Hawke9]

Feature Focus episodes 3 and 4 have been uploaded on fridays, so it's entirely possible for Amplitude to upload another video today