I hate global worming

knez

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Today, I haven't built not single one coal plant, nuclear plant, or hydro plant. Not a single one. Just Three Georges Damn. And the rest of the world is in middle ages.

So, Izzy tried to attack me :lol:
An, just so it happens I have nuke. One nuke. I will repeat: ONE :nuke:
And I "destroyed" her holly city (who could resist:dunno:) cause I didn't want to invade one more continent.
So, that ONE nuke, and global warming strikes. Random parts of my land turned into desert. Tundra near river turned into Sahara style desert:rolleyes:

I naturally won (first cultural on noble:king: ), but this really really sucks.
 
drives me nuts too. the other day i gifted asoka free coal since he didn't have any uranium (future start game) and i didn't want to risk him building any nuclear plants, i've seen gandhi build them and ruin hubby's day with the meltdown results.
 
I've only had global warming once ever, but I ussually win (or get bored and start over) before the game gets that late.
 
Global Worming sounds like a good idea to me - get rid of those annoying parasites once and for all.
 
Is it my imagination, or is the human player only affected by global warming?
I never see it happen to the AI. Wich makes It rather annaying.

I would think that Global Warming effects be difficult/impossible to see in AI territory. AFAIK, Global Warming effects occur whenever and wherever the preconditions for them are met. Don't hold me to that because today I'm just too lazy to fire up WB and test it.
 
Is it my imagination, or is the human player only affected by global warming?
I never see it happen to the AI. Wich makes It rather annaying.

i wish it never happened to them!

you just aren't seeing it since it's in fog of war.

it happens to them ... even with no nukes used, cuz they build freaking nuke plants. and then what do they do? never clean up the fallout!!!1!one!!!!!! even if they know ecology! what is up with that? are they trying to make me insane???

i hate that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! which is why i gave asoka the free coal i mentioned earlier. please, please, please, buddy, build coal plants not nuke factories ok? i'll be your bestest friend.

i do apologize for all the !ing but it really does drive me up a tree.
 
Seems to me that this would be a good candidate for a UN resolution, with penalties for non-compliant civs. Couldn't there be a "vote on the Kyoto Accord" option? And/or a "no building nuclear power plants"? (There are certainly real-world precedents, followed or not, for both.)
 
Seems to me that this would be a good candidate for a UN resolution, with penalties for non-compliant civs. Couldn't there be a "vote on the Kyoto Accord" option? And/or a "no building nuclear power plants"? (There are certainly real-world precedents, followed or not, for both.)

oh man i'd love that. dunno how it would work tho. if it passed would it just automatically grant every civ a coal resource, or count every city as on a river and able to make a hydro plant? i wish we could make 'em not build nuke plants! seriously, nuke plants bother me more than nukes.

i get really worked up about AI nuke plants. one of hubby's first civ4 games, he captured a city of gandhi's. it had a nuke plant in it, which ghandi had made, and which stayed after he captured it. it had a meltdown while the city was still in revolt. hubby of course had to suffer the consequences, not gandhi. beautiful size 25 or whatever city down to, i dunno, way way less pop and terrible terrain in an instant. he hadn't saved the game in over an hour, and doesn't have autosave set for every turn like i do (well, *now* he does, he didn't then). the thought of going back an hour and moving all those troops around with that boring micromanagement he'd already done once, for something completely not his fault and he couldn't have planned for, he just quit in disgust.

this was one of his very first civ4 games, i think the first one that lasted into modern warfare. we thought the meltdown was related to the city being in revolt, and not just random chance, since i think in some previous version of civ they were more likely to occur when your citizens were unhappy and rebelling.

you can't sell off buildings in civ4, so he couldn't get rid of it once he took the city. i don't know whether 3 gorges takes away the meltdown chance like it takes away the health penalty for coal plants, but in this case he'd built 3GD on another continent so that wouldn't have helped. the city wasn't on a river for him to build a hydro plant there, even if he'd had time. you can't check cities to see what's in them before you decide to raze or capture them. you can look at the pictures and try to tell but they tend to get a little cramped by that time and we were brand new, we didn't know how to interpret all that stuff.

so, anyway, hubby got a little pissed at the concept of nuclear meltdowns and global warming. "a little" defined as he didn't play again for about 6 months, and to this day, if i play as gandhi he gives me dirty looks.

btw, IRL i'm an environmental engineer and in my previous job i cleaned up messes (including nuclear ones) the government made before i was born. well ok, i didn't clean the stuff myself (that would not be fun), but i managed the projects and wrote the docs etc. but that isn't why i get so mad at nuke plants in this game, i swear, it's because it was unfair to my hubby!
 
Just Three Georges Damn.

:lol:

I know it's getting echo-ey in here, but this made me laugh so hard the dog came to see what was up. No disdain, mind you, but three Georges does sound pretty overwhelming. :D
 
Seems to me that this would be a good candidate for a UN resolution, with penalties for non-compliant civs. Couldn't there be a "vote on the Kyoto Accord" option? And/or a "no building nuclear power plants"? (There are certainly real-world precedents, followed or not, for both.)

Kyoto accord: the richest civ must pay 25% of their economy divided up among all other civs regardless of amount of pollution generated by that civ :lol:
 
Global warming would be ok if it also resulted in ice caps melting, and snowy land turning into tundra, tundra into grassland, etc... which is what would happen in real life.
 
The idea that global warming is caused by nuclear meltdowns and nuclear explosions is stupid as well. It is possible, but that's usually because of the carbon dioxide or water vapour kicked into the upper atmosphere from nuclear weapons. And before that there would be nuclear winter from all the dust particles that would blot out the sun. In any case, a large number of weapons would have to be used for the effects to be become major
 
@KmadCandy: I'll agree with you and have go at nukeplants and meltdowns and whatever.
Point One: Why does global heating occur from nukes and nukeplant meltdowns????? The reason global heating occurs is mainly CFC gasses and the like, paradoxaly enough released when burning fossil materials such as.. COAL!
Point Two: Why does nuclear powerplants have that high meltdown factor? Modern nuclear plants are very safe and experts have concluded that living 100 (I think this is actually 1000) years in the vicinity of a nuclear plants involves as big a danger as smoking 1,4 cigarette! - Both will be lethal in 1 out of 1000000 scenarios. Now, that means the danger of a meltdown is nowhere near 3% per turn, as when nukes usually get here, turns are 10 years at the max. More like 1:100.000.000. Say what!
3) I think the "No nukes" resolution should enable another resolution called "No nuclear plants". And I don't care if some of my cities won't have a hydroplant. Hell, I don't even build hydroplants normally - coal plants are way cheaper.

just my 2c :king:
 
The one nuclear meltdown I've had EVER was in my capital, Paris, while pumping out SoDs for a Greek conquest. Yep. Killed a bunch of Machine Guns while putting Paris into starvation for the rest of the game. I ignored Ecology, so had to rush for it instead of Robotics. *sigh*...
 
I don't think I've ever built a nuclear powerplant - yeah, I'm all about environmental coal pollution over here.
 
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