I laughed at this

[Ahriman]

As long as you say you won't declare war and subsequently don't declare war, nothing happens.

Except; there is no indication of how long you have to wait before declaring war on them is no longer a "promise" violation.

 

[Serenya]

Except; there is no indication of how long you have to wait before declaring war on them is no longer a "promise" violation.

As near as I can tell -- forever.

 

[Rittmeyer]

I had a game where I was completely peaceful as India and never left my three city island. Then one day England rings me and tells me they are concerned about how I am massing my troops on their border. I am on an island of my own and my borders do not reach England anywhere!? Very odd.

I had this when attacking another AI (not the one that complained) that was sitting on the opposite side of a HUGE landmass. Like, I wasnt in anyways close to the crybaby AI.

 

[Serenya]

It seems like taking a capital makes you 'bloodthirsty' and 'picking on weaker nations' regardless of who declared or how many wars or anything else. Another civ can take out every city but the capital of 3 nations, but if you actually take the capital of one nation you're suddenly the bad guy! It's frustrating, because I actually like playing to win on culture/space/diplo, but the AI essentially forces me to win on war.

 

[Xger]

They really didn't do a very good job of sanity checking the AI. I'll have twice the score of other AIs and I also get the empty threats. Although, if you recall from CivIV, Ragnar and Justinian would sometimes just attack the heck out of you for no reason and sometimes even more so if they were way behind in points. Maybe someone at Firaxis has a sick sense of inadequacy.

The threats I think are more meant to act as a rough standing guideline. You get the threats to know they are hostile, and will be less willing trade partners.

I still want to know more about the "Afraid" modifier. I have only seen an AI with it twice, both times it was Monty

 

[metatheory]

Sanity check is non-existant. What I think upsets me most about AI gang-tackling the player is the fact that they could be perfectly happy with your relationship and the DoW out of nowhere with the rest of the world.

I never declared war, had research agreements, pacts of cooperation, resource trades and received no threats whatsoever and the entire world DoW on me in one turn. This was in the medieval age no less.

 

[Syntax Error]

Gandhi hates violence. He hates violence so much, that after declaring war on three civs and my army was away (all the while I was leaving him alone. FFS, it's GANDHI, the epitome of kindness and passive resistance), he decides to skip the middleman and deal with the problem himself: me. He was all "I have the advantage, so I'mma be warring your arse!". So yeah, he wants peace by bashing the heads of the rowdies.

 

[d4everman]

It seems like taking a capital makes you 'bloodthirsty' and 'picking on weaker nations' regardless of who declared or how many wars or anything else. Another civ can take out every city but the capital of 3 nations, but if you actually take the capital of one nation you're suddenly the bad guy! It's frustrating, because I actually like playing to win on culture/space/diplo, but the AI essentially forces me to win on war.

Its because the way the AI was shoddily made nothing you do will make it happy, while practically everything you do will make it hate you. You can literally give the AI gold, resources, even cities and it will still despise you. It makes me want to smack the devs.

 

[Lyoncet]

As near as I can tell -- forever.

I've definitely seen the "just passing through" proclamation expire. I don't know how long it was (maybe 60+ turns; I really was just passing through on the way to curbstomp somebody else), but when I did DoW they just gave me a generic "you're a bad, bad man!" with none of the "you broke your word."

 

[ZwodahS]

recently i forced china down to 1 city and she is like an era behind ( i have rifleman and she only have pike) and she keep whining about how uncultured or how low i am =/. she should just be glad that i am going to space vic and didnt destroy her =/. I thought they were smart not to provoke other that are stronger =/

 

[walls99]

I was playing at the Chinese for my first CiV game (ever, never played the other Civ games before) and noticed that the Germans were attacking a City-State (can't remember the name). They have been bombing them for a while now and brought down its health to its last sliver. I came in and started attacking the CS for the heck if it. Since I was the last one to attack the city before it fell, I won the city.

Germany never complained that I came in and won the city or anything. I guess the game's AI is dumb enough to give the CS to the Civ that attacked it last and completely discounts the fact that someone else did the hard work up to that point.

I am now playing the game as the Japanese and I had a unit embark. They found the first Natural wonder which was a crater on another continent. I had two more Natural wonders to find. Later on the same embarked unit found two wonders. There were Two Great Barrier Reefs right beside each other in the middle of the ocean. Aren't the Natural Wonders supposed to be unique ? I thought there could be only one per map.

 

[walls99]

If it's Gandhi doing this, then there is a deep problem. Otherwise, I expect this from people like Nobunaga and Askia. You are right that some AI are needlessly obnoxious. I have no explanation for why Wu Zetian (was she a historical warmonger?) would settle a city near me on a continent I conquered and then taunt me, even when I am perfectly capable of launching an amphibious invasion of her continent with advanced weaponry.


Someone razing cities is a nice neighbor to have, I agree. And god forbid that actions that have benefits also have drawbacks.


I'll comment on this when I have logged more gametime. Exams and schoolwork are anathema to playtime. That does seem to be what I'm hearing so far though.


Other AI should recognize when you are just responding to aggression, yes. Nobody begrudges the guy who punches an assailant in self-defense.

About your last quote about punching someone in self defense. I bet there is a lawyer somewhere in the US who will defend the assailant and win saying that you injured his client. There was something in the news a while back where someone broke into a house and slipped on the kitchen counter and got cut by a knife just sitting there or something or got cut by the owner with a knife and sued the owner.