I lost ... in 1751 AD the space race

[Tatran]

The first time I had an early clear defeat.

A large continents Monarch game at marathon speed with 9 civs.

Gandhi was unstoppable.
As soon I knew he turned his continent into Buddhist the game
was almost lost. Well, I never met Napoleon.
Gandhi was during the whole game probably 10 techs or more ahead
and the action was at my continent.
Around the middle ages I already hit the "we fear you become too
advanced" message, so I had to stay friendly with Mehmed.
Kon and Mao were a lost cause.
Gandhi found 3 religions, Mehmed and Wang Kon each 2 religions.
I hoped to sign a permanent alliance to catch up, but I was
too late signing defensive pacts.

Did I play so bad?

 

[aelf]

You weren't large enough to compete anyway, that's for sure.

 

[SkippyT]

You know you can expect much from Washington, and Gandhi.
How the f*ck did you come up with the idea to put them in a team!

 

[jimbob27]

I don't think he put them in a team. They signed a permanent alliance.

I also don't think he was too small to compete. His population is double the nearest rival. That might be the problem though. Looking at the stats, your army is pretty laughable, so I guess you spend too much time constucting buildings, and not enough time whipping units. It looks like you're running a CE, however with that population, you're probably running a ton of specialists as well, which isn't a particularly efficent way of doing things. Unless you're running representation permanently (and thereby never using univeral sufferage or police state) its better to get your cities to their optimal size, and then whip units instead of allowing specialists to appear. You can then use the units to capture more cities, which can grow to their optimal CE size.

If that was anybody other than ghandi, chances are he would have attacked you and razed most of your cites. With an army like that, the chances are your positive relations wouldn't have made the slightest bit of different. If you had a big army yourself, you could have attacked ghandi/washington and razed them to the point where they can't complete the space race, but being behind in both tech and military is a pretty surefire way to loose.

 

[aelf]

He does have a lot of population, but in my experience, you need to be even bigger if you have to catch up from very far behind. And of course, he was far from big enough to catch up with a team on his own.

 

[cabert]

i don't play permanent alliance game, and here it obviously made GW+gandhi unstoppable.
Were they already teamed up when you encountered them?
The only way to stop this runaway Gandhi would have been to make them declare one on another.

To make things worse, HC and Brennus had a permanent alliance too. 2 financial civs united = fast teching too! No way you could win this game without a war on the other continent.

 

[slowcar]

i saw your comment in our LK121-game but didn't want to go further OT there.
could you explain your strategy a bit? i mean your goals you have pursued from the beginning to win.

judging from my own style of play you should be the one in charge of your whole continent to have enough firepower (production) to go after ghandi.
AI is not very good at transocean warfare, a big enough invasion in barbarian-style would have eleminated the threat, or at least make it a lot smaller.

it can be a hard setting you are playing and you were quite unlucky, if one meets the other civs and they all love eachother there is not much you can do but going after them asap. being in control of a large amount of production helps a lot, at monarch you can outproduce the AI if you have a certain amount of cities. being #2 in production is not enough of course.

Seems like a very challenging game
care to upload the starting save?

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

...Seems like a very challenging game
care to upload the starting save?

Yes, please do, I'm interested in trying this one out.

 

[Tatran]

I don't have the starting save anymore.
Also, the game will probably be totally different from mine.
Just start, with the same settings, your own game and
you'll notice the influence of the first 3 religions.

Maybe some missionary spamming could have helped
to try to get the AIs into free religion.
A military solution would have been suicide. The permanent alliances
came from defensive pacts. The other team was also very busy with their
spaceship and were also some techs ahead of me.
I hoped, by heavy tech trading, to have a chance with 2 or 3 Golden Ages
(5 Great People were already waiting) to win the space race.


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http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/20970/Cyrus_AD-1751.CivWarlordsSave

 

[Wlauzon]

I don't know what it is about Ghandi, but I have noticed several times that he either totally sucks, or totally dominates.

In a game a while back with 6 civs, he was almost double the nearest competitor. But a few games later he was dead last.

It seems like if he hits just the right combination (of squares, tech??) he takes off like crazy.

 

[Meatbuster]

Mansa too. He's either on the top/second, or dying horribly from harrassment by Genghis or Huayna.

 

[ungy]

Actually I would question the early play--could you hook up horse? If so I think no reason not to have your entire continent and hence an easy victory especially at marathon. When you have a strong early UU it's important to take advantage of it.

 

[ownedbyakorat]

My experience with Ghandi is that an early war makes all the difference. If Ghandi can build unhindered, he'll build as strong an economy as anyone and start stacking wonders on you. But if you force him to make units to defend himself, he'll lose his focus and allow you to get a military/tech/civ size lead that he can't overcome, because he hardly ever wages aggressive war and can't expand geographically.