idea for solving illegal immigration problem

[Pasi Nurminen]

in fact, I don't know whether I should laugh or cry at this thread

You could join us in fighting the good fight against these conservative blowhards who think it's okay to murder someone or that foreigners don't have rights.

You know, I bet cierdan and the others don't actually have to deal with immigrants, legal or not, on an ongoing basis.

 

[nonconformist]

Um Jesus was not black. The idea that he was black is silly silly silly silly silly.

He was also not Arabic. That is almost just as silly. Jews are not Arabs! Duh! Ever heard of Arab-Israeli conflict?

Jesus was Jewish, i.e white.

As for color of his eyes and hair. I don't know. But I'd guess brownish hair and brownish eyes

Jeses was born in Bethlehem, in the middle East.
Now, that makes the likeliness that he wasn't white soar.
The proximity to Africa is enough to make the idea that he was black acceptable.
But you say he was Jewish. Sure, I agree with that.
Jesus was partof the Semite group.
Which also happens to encompass the Arabs.
They're the same race.

As we say here: pwned.
This just shows you're racist, and trying to desperatey cling on to an idiotic idea of racial superiority by deluding yourself, and others.

 

[Jorge]

When you are faced with an EXTREME problem (millions pouring in) you have to fix it with EXTREME solutions (like death penalty) -- and we BOTH agree on that; we just differ a little bit on which crimes would MERIT said death penalty.

I propose a different Extreme solution: why don´t we execute you and all the people that think like you? Then inmigrants would not be a problem anymore.

 

[Perfection]

You must understand , perfection , that the "melting pot" of America worked because the people who came to America "melted" into the mainstream , and those who didn't were a very small minority , totally negligible . Now , however , you have huge chunks which simply do not "melt" . The melting pot is failing , because nobody "melts" any longer . And now , the "unmelted" are fast reaching a large size , too large to be negligible . And that is what is causing problems .

Noone melted the second they came here. My grandfather was a third generation American who was raised speaking only German. The mixing process is incredibly slow and distinct communities do arise (and even for the older ones still exist to a limited extent). Immigrants seldom completly melt, rather thier kids, while usually retaining a few traditions, beomce more and more Americanised. The Irish and German immigrants of the 19th century didn't melt, rather they formed distinct communities. They were "unmelted" of massively large size (and we saw similar arguements agaisnt them).

Plus I fail to see the large problems you are alluding to. Everyone's yakking about them, what are they?

 

[Winner]

Noone melted the second they came here. My grandfather was a third generation American who was raised speaking only German. The mixing process is incredibly slow and distinct communities do arise (and even for the older ones still exist to a limited extent). Immigrants seldom completly melt, rather thier kids, while usually retaining a few traditions, beomce more and more Americanised. The Irish and German immigrants of the 19th century didn't melt, rather they formed distinct communities. They were "unmelted" of massively large size (and we saw similar arguements agaisnt them).

Plus I fail to see the large problems you are alluding to. Everyone's yakking about them, what are they?

Most of the immigrants to the US were from Europe, so they shared a Western culture. They may be certain differences, but it's the same.

Large minorities from different cultural (and religious) background are assimilated MUCH harder.

 

[Gogf]

I bet killing failing children would improve test scores.

I've gotta agree with Perf here. It's ridiculous to just kill off all the illegals. A better solution would just be to put people on the border to stop them from coming in.

 

[Kyriakos]

But if you are openly against them it only makes it even harder for them to be "assimilated". Btw assimilation shouldnt be meant as complete destruction of their own cultural backgrounds, unless they voluntarily do it. I doubt that greeks in Czechia or czechs in Greece are ever fully assimilated.

 

[Perfection]

Most of the immigrants to the US were from Europe, so they shared a Western culture. They may be certain differences, but it's the same.

Large minorities from different cultural (and religious) background are assimilated MUCH harder.

Some loosely associated thoughts on these ideas:

Actually, I'd say that few immigrants from any background truely assimilate. Assimilation is an intergenerational thing.

Of course, assimilation in America doesn't really have to be a loss of one's own tradition, rather the sucessful integration into the American community. What's wrong with diversity?

It seems like people put some sort of stock in making new arrivals exactly like us. Why do they do that?

What about the Asian Americans? In my experience they're integrated quite well.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Assimiliation is a two-way process. Not only immigrants, the host country also changes and adapts. Elements of the immigrants native culture are absorbed and adopted by the host culture. Take a drive through some of the American Southwest and you can see this very vividly. Theres a fascinating hybrid American/Mexican culture there. The Southwest is particularly interesting because originally the hybridization began centuries ago when American non Hispanic immigrants began 'overrunning' first Spanish, and then Mexican territory.

 

[Winner]

But if you are openly against them it only makes it even harder for them to be "assimilated". Btw assimilation shouldnt be meant as complete destruction of their own cultural backgrounds, unless they voluntarily do it. I doubt that greeks in Czechia or czechs in Greece are ever fully assimilated.

Aghr! I must write some disclaimer, like SN did

I don't want them to get fully assimilated, their culture completely destroyed and their religion wiped out from the face of planet.

We have plenty of immigrants from other cultures - Vietnamese, for example. Although people are sometimes making fun of them (expecially from their funny language), I am not aware of any racist assaults against them. They still live inside their community, but their children are usally westernized, because they allow them to integrate. Unemployment practically doesn't exist among their community, they work hard and usually make enough money to live comfortably. They are from a different culture, but they are tolerant and accept the rules of our society.

There are also some Muslims from the Middle East, usually Arabs. There are no problems with them, because they believe in secularism, and because their community is small, their children are also westernized.

On the other side, there are minorities which refuse to obey laws of our society, abuse the social benefits and cause trouble. It is more than natural, that people tend to dislike them then.

In short - I want them to give up that parts of their culture/religion, which are in direct contradiction with our way of life. It is not okay to kill your sister, because she has disgraced your family. It is not okay to praise the terrorists.

 

[Winner]

What about the Asian Americans? In my experience they're integrated quite well.

I don't know much about it, but aren't the Chinese still living in certain parts of cities, excluding themselves from the US culture?

I'd say they co-exist with Americans and that's possibly because their culture may be different, but is not in contradiction with the basics of American (Western) culture. The islamic culture as a whole is and if the muslims aren't willing to get rid of certain aspects of their culture, the peaceful co-existence is impossible.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

Jeses was born in Bethlehem, in the middle East.
Now, that makes the likeliness that he wasn't white soar.
The proximity to Africa is enough to make the idea that he was black acceptable.
But you say he was Jewish. Sure, I agree with that.
Jesus was partof the Semite group.
Which also happens to encompass the Arabs.
They're the same race.

As we say here: pwned.
This just shows you're racist, and trying to desperatey cling on to an idiotic idea of racial superiority by deluding yourself, and others.

Yep. Jews aren't white, we are Semites. Indistinguishable from Arabs.

After the Diaspora, a lot of Jews have other ethnic heritages as well. For example there are S'faradit (Sephardic) Jews who intermarried with the Spanish, Portuguese and Dutch. There are also many North African Jews - that's where my own Jewish heritage comes from, Tunisia.

The traditional images of Jesus as "white" especially with long hair, are ridiculous. Jesus was a Jew. He probably looked like Yasser Arafat :lol

 

[nonconformist]

The very image of him having long hair is absurd-the Old Testament clearly states Christians must have shaved heads.

 

[Truronian]

This is a facial reconstruction of Jesus they did for some show a while back. Its entirely hypothetical of course, though it is highly unlikely that he was white, as others have pointed out:

 

[Perfection]

I don't know much about it, but aren't the Chinese still living in certain parts of cities, excluding themselves from the US culture?

Some, but many of those in those districts in the cities are within the first few generations. A whole lot of them have moved into suburbs and have basicly lived the "American Dream". Most of the existing Chinatowns are now maintained not because the Chinese want a uniquely Chinese setting, rather that Chinatowns are huge tourist attractions that generate a lot of money (that and there still is a significant influx of Chinese immigrants).

I'd say they co-exist with Americans and that's possibly because their culture may be different, but is not in contradiction with the basics of American (Western) culture.

Not in my experience. While most Asians still feel some pride and community within thier ethnicity they fully intermix with larger domestic groups

The islamic culture as a whole is and if the muslims aren't willing to get rid of certain aspects of their culture, the peaceful co-existence is impossible.

It seems to me that most Muslims disregard certain elements of thier culture to intermix.

 

[luiz]

Am I the only person who noted the irony of self-proclaimed christians supporting killing people on sight for crossing the border or minor offenses? I'm sure Jesus would be thrilled about cierden's idea

 

[Riesstiu IV]

Am I the only person who noted the irony of self-professed christians supporting killing people on sight for crossing the border or minor offenses? I'm sure Jesus would be thrilled by cierden's idea

No...

How can you justify your Christian beliefs and ideals with this scheme? You really do have conflicting ideologies Cierdan.

Seriously, these ideas and theories Cierdan posts are either deranged (this thread and suggesting that some European super race influenced Egyptian/Mesoamerican pyramid building), strange (suggesting that viral and bacterial diseases come from devils), or just plain conflicting (like his Christian beliefs with oppressive/fascist tendencies).

 

[blindside]

Am I the only person who noted the irony of self-professed christians supporting killing people on sight for crossing the border or minor offenses? I'm sure Jesus would be thrilled by cierden's idea

As long as its by the government its ok!

I think some of these fellows we have here would be more comfortable with the Taliban!

 

[ironduck]

Am I the only person who noted the irony of self-proclaimed christians supporting killing people on sight for crossing the border or minor offenses? I'm sure Jesus would be thrilled about cierden's idea

Not at all, lots of people have commented on the insanity, including at least one self-professed christian who could clearly see the lunacy. I personally recommended therapy.

 

[bad_ronald]

@Truronian,

The reconstruction that you provided doesn't look black either. He looks more white than he does black. So, though either calling him white or black is ludicrous, calling him black is even more so. (Note: as an atheist, this has no special significance for me, I'm just calling it as I see it )