Ideas for C2C

[Toffer90]

This looks like a return to vanilla in some ways. Is it really necessary to make these works rely on one culture? I have the feeling that this is totally against the spirit of C2C, which will become even more apparent when the present cultures are completely gone, as seems to be the (long-term) direction of the mod.

Another reason why this might not be a good idea is the fact that this system of great works can never be extended beyond our present era.

We are not moving away from cultures as world wonders (WW) afaik, but I agree that WW's should not require a resource only provided by another WW.
A WW could imo only be tied to cultures by reducing their cost if this or that culture resource is available.

The Xpunk cultures may be an exception though.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

The Punk and Religion areas are supposed to have their own wonders both world and national. The areas are also supposed to be optional.

Cultures are not supposed to have World Wonders as it will make that Culture over powered. It may be OK for a National Wonder but only if the Culture has no heroes, unique units or unique Bonuses.

If the suggestion is that named Great People are the only ones that can build a given wonder, then it wont work. You can't be sure that that GP is ever born, or is born near where the wonder is and you can't (easily) stop them being selected when you choose to start a Golden Age with multiple GP.

 

[Brackenspore]

Imaginary Physics
Enables: LIGO (World Wonder)
LIGO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIGO
+20 , +30% , +4 (Great Scientist)
-75.00 for building maintenance
1 Free Technology
+3 from each Observatory
+3 from each Laboratory
40 Education/Turn
Requires Access to Power
Requires City Size of at least 13
39220

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave_observation
Breaking news. Cutting edge scince. I propose to perpetuate this discovery in C2C .

 

[pepper2000]

LIGO is a good idea, and I think I'll include it in my next modmod update. But the free tech might be overdoing it.

 

[Faustmouse]

There are many more cool concepts for wonders, too bad we use mostly the same.

 

[Brackenspore]

I think Great Farmer must be a World Unit same as a Great Engoneer, Great Scientist and etc.
Nilometer (Building)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilometer
Required Tech: Irrigation
+1
+10%
-10 Disease/Turn
Requires River Access
Obsolete with Hydroelectricity
Can be built by Great Farmer
Historia Plantarum (World Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_Plantarum_(Theophrastus)
Required Tech: Floristry
+20%
+1 from each Begonia Farm, Bluebell Farm, Carnation Farm, Daisy Farm, Flax Farm, Foxglove Farm, Hibiscus Farm, Indigo Farm, Iris Farm, Lily Farm, Orchid Farm, Pansy Farm, Rose Farm, Snapdragon Farm, Sunflower Farm, Tulip Farm, Violet Farm
5 Education/Turn
Can be built by Great Farmer
Academy of Agriculture (National Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Vladimirovich_Michurin
Required Tech: Agricultural Engineering
+15%
+15% in All Cities
20 Education/Turn
Requires City Size of at least 13
Can be built by Great Farmer
Virgin Lands Campaign (National Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Lands_Campaign
Required Tech: Propaganda
+1 in All Cities
+2 from each Modern Granary
+2 from each Modern Granary
+2 with Marxist
+2 with Planned
+2 with Centralized Labor
Can be built by Great Farmer
Polder (Building)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polder
Required Tech: Agricultural Tools
Cities Require 15% Less to Grow
+5
-10 Disease/Turn
Requires Marsh or Flood Plains
Can be built by Great Farmer

 

[Brackenspore]

Name (Great Farmer):
Theophrastus
Ivan Vladimirovich Michurin
Edward Edgar Pescott
Ernst Betche
Christoph Friedrich Otto
Stanisław Zagaja
Joseph Paxton
Louis Benoît van Houtte
Joseph Dieffenbach
Kliment Timiryazev
Ashkhen Hovakimian
Entz Ferenc
Antoine Nicolas Duchesne
Jean Louis Thuillier
Hermann Settegast
Carlo Gancia
Nicholas Longworth
Pierre Poivre
Thomas Coke
David C.H. Austin
Jorge Cervantes

 

[Brackenspore]

Dharmaśāstra (World Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmaśāstra
Required Tech: Civil Service
+4 , +2 (Great Statesman)
+10% Birth Rate in Cities with State
Units Have +15% Chance to avoid Capture
+1 in Cities with State
Cities with State Train Units +5% Faster
Cities with State Construct Buildings +5% Faster
+10% from Arkona
Requires Theocracy
Requires Civic to be Active
Can be built by Great Statesman
Russkaya Pravda (World Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russkaya_Pravda
Required Tech: Heraldry
+4 , +2 (Great Statesman)
+25% Great General Emergence
-25% Maintenance Costs from Number of Cities
Units have a +15% Chance to Capture
+15% in Capital
+15% in Capital
Requires Vassalage
Requires Civic to be Active
Can be built by Great Statesman
Twelve Tables (World Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Tables
Required Tech: Meritocracy
+3 , +2 (Great Statesman)
+10% Birth Rate
+5% in All Cities
+5% in Capital
+1 in 4 Largest Cities
Requires Republic
Requires Civic to be Active
Can be built by Great Statesman

 

[Brackenspore]

Grand Chessboard (World Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
Required Tech: Modern Warfare
+10 , +2 (Great Statesman)
+10% Birth Rate
-25% War
+5% , +5% in All Cities
Requires Separation of Powers
Requires Civic to be Active
Can be built by Great Statesman
Draconian constitution (World Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draco_(lawgiver)
Required Tech: Code of Laws
+3 , +2 (Great Statesman)
+15% Birth Rate
+1 in All Cities
+10% in All Cities
Requires Democracy
Requires Civic to be Active
Can be built by Great Statesman
Anıtkabir (World Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anıtkabir
Required Tech: Propaganda
+8 , +2 (Great Statesman)
+50% Experience gained from Combat within own Borders
+1 in All Cities
-10% War
+1 from Landmarks
Requires Nationalist
Requires Civic to be Active
Can be built by Great Statesman

 

[Brackenspore]

New Deal (World Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal
Required Tech: Applied Economics
+6 , +2 (Great Statesman)
-5% Inflation
+5% in All Cities
+5% in All Cities
+2 from Central Bank
Requires Regulated
Requires Civic to be Active
Can be built by Great Statesman
GOELRO (World Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOELRO_plan
Required Tech: Communism
+3 , +2 (Great Statesman)
-10% Hurry Production Cost
+5% in All Cities
+2 from Factory
Requires Planned
Requires Civic to be Active
Can be built by Great Statesman
Pillar of Ashoka (Building)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillars_of_Ashoka
Required Tech: Mosaic Working
+1 , +3 , +4
+30%
-10 Crime/Turn
Obsolete with Television
Can be built by Great Statesman
The Prince (World Wonder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince
Required Tech: Political Philosophy
+6 , +2 (Great Statesman)
+30% Great General Emergency
Free Great Spy
10 Education/Turn
Can be built by Great Statesman

 

[tmv]

The Draconian constitution is a bit too good (why does it give education and how much crime is this supposed to reduce?), the New Deal also seems to be too strong (enhancing production can be justified, most of the other boni are at least debatable, but it should certainly cost money), and The Prince is most likely satire, written by an author whose other works are very much in support of republics.

The Draconian constitution should be given a reasonable amount of crime reduction and probably be limited to a rather primitive civic, and the New Deal should be rather expensive in terms of maintenance, which seems to be the standard way of including interventionist policies.

That being said, most of the political wonders should probably be civic-restricted, and giving should be justified by actually improving security.

 

[Brackenspore]

That being said, most of the political wonders should probably be civic-restricted

interesting idea, I need to think

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Philosophy
Enables: Lyceum (Building)
Lyceum
+3 , +8 , +10% , -6
Can turn 2 Citizens into Scientist
+2 with Democracy
+2 with Meritocracy
10 Education/Turn
Requires City Size of at least 6
600

This building is far too powerful for its time, place and cost. I halved most of the outputs and had it require a Gramaticus and Elite Housing in the city so that it might have some students.

 

[Brackenspore]

This building is far too powerful for its time, place and cost. I halved most of the outputs and had it require a Gramaticus and Elite Housing in the city so that it might have some students.

agree

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Transdisciplinarity (x83)

Spoiler :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transdisciplinarity
Requires: Computer Networks
Special Abilities:
Computer Network: +7
Design Studio: +7
Laboratory: +7
Nuclear Plant: +7
Robotics Lab: +7

I have trouble with this as a tech. Mostly because the idea that you can separate reality into different disciplines is a strange idea for most of history. This split is also very "Western" idea. Perhaps this may be better as a Science Civic or something.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

I have now done the following techs and their buildings

• Cryptography
• Geocentrism
• Heliocentrism
• New Urbanism
• and the following which fit in well with what I want to do with diplomacy
  • Negotiation
  • Diplomacy
  • Foreign Policy

I have a bit more to do on the diplomat side before I release it onto the SVN. The diplomats will show up in the pedia but you wont be able to build them yet. There is a lot of work needed before their missions will be available.

 

[Brackenspore]

I have trouble with this as a tech. Mostly because the idea that you can separate reality into different disciplines is a strange idea for most of history. This split is also very "Western" idea. Perhaps this may be better as a Science Civic or something.

OK, rework.
Transdisciplinarity (Education Civic)
Req Tech: Knowledge Management
Upkeep: High
Effects:
+5% , , , in All Cities
+1 , , from Scientist
+1 , from Engineer
+1 from Merchant
+1 from Artist
+1 from Priest
15 Education/Turn (City)

 

[Brackenspore]

Skilled Labor Civic rework.
Req Tech: Specialization
Upkeep: High
Effects:
+5% Birth Rate
Workers Build Improvements +10% Faster
+1 Free Scientist, Engineer, Merchant, Artist in 10 Largest Cities
+1 from Mathematics Academy, Calligraphy School, Music School, Apothecary Guild, Artist Guild, Baker Guild, Blacksmith Guild, Carpenter Guild, Clerks Guild, Drapers Guild, Equestrian Guild, Fishmonger Guild, Glassblowers Guild, Goldsmith Guild, Grocers Guild, Masons Guild, Mercers Guild, Potters Guild, Servants Guild, Tailor Guild, Victuallers Guild, Woodcutter Guild, University
+1 from Slave Compound, Slave Market, Collective Farm, Burger Joint
Disables Construction of Omega Child Crew

 

[Brackenspore]

Knowledge Economy (Economy Civic)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_economy
Req Tech: Knowledge Management
Upkeep: Astronomical
Effects:
+12% , +12% in All Cities
+2 Free Specialists per City
Can Spend Gold to Finish Production in a City
10 Education/Turn (City)
25% Faster Construction of Online University, ISP Offices, Digital Offices, Market Research, E-Bank, E-Stock Market

 

[Brackenspore]

Fourth Power (Power Civic)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Estate
Req Tech: Mass Media
Upkeep: High
Effects:
+15% in All Cities
+1 from Broadcast Tower, Propaganda Office, TV Studio, National TV-Station, CN Tower, Worlds News Network, Tokyo Tower, Comedy Club, Communication Tower, Social Networks, Blogs
30% Faster Construction of Broadcast Tower, TV Studio, Comedy Club, Communication Tower Social Networks, Blogs, Applied Psychology Lab
+1 from Celebrity
+1 from Celebrity