(WIP) Hinin's France - Louis XIV for Vox Populi

[Hinin]

Incoming civilization - Don't hesitate to commentate on the design while I'm working on it.
The code is entirely sql and all the art is there, so this shouldn't take much time.

France - Louis XIV => art by Janboruta from this mod by JFD

UA - Grandeur

+2 Production and Tourism and +1 Great General / Great Admiral points from World and National Wonders. +2 Food from Great Works and Great Person Tile Improvements. Mounted Melee, Armored and Artillery Units gain Experience faster and have no upgrade cost.

Spoiler Unique Promotion :

Ultima Ratio - Gain bonus Experience from combat. Upgrading this Unit costs no Gold.

UU1 - Classe Océan (unique UnitClass) => art by janboruta from this mod by JFD

Unlocked at Navigation (obsolete at Dynamite ; upgades into Cruiser)
500 Production cost
Can only have 6 at the same time (with unique names)

30 CS / 42 RCS / 2 Range
4 MP / 2 Vision

Armé Pleinement - +30 max HP ; Is immune to plague promotions ; +10 HP when healing
Flagship - +15% CS owned to Naval Units within 2 tiles
Cannot Attack in Melee

Spoiler List of unique names :

List of unique names for Classe Océan units :
- La Montagne
- L'Orient
- Le Vengeur
- Le Majestueux
- L'Austerlitz
- Le Marengo
- Le Monarque
- Le Montebello
- L'Impérial
- Le Tonnant
- Le Roi-de-Rome
- L'Inflexible
- Le Héros
- Le Formidable
- Le Souverain

UNW - Vincennes (unique BuildingClass)

Unlocked at Chivalry
Only 1 allowed in the Empire
125 Production cost, scaling with number of Cities / No Pop requirement

Provides a free Castle and spawn a Knight when built
+1 Horse

Gain bonus from UA
Allows the Construction of one of three unique National Wonders : the Sainte-Chapelle, the Bastille or the Tuileries (see spoiler below)

3 GWorks of Writing slots (+3 GGeneral and GAdmiral points and +10 Gold when filled with GWWritings from different Eras)
1 Civil Servant specialist

Spoiler French Policy UNW :

UNWa - Sainte-Chapelle (unique BuildingClass)

Unlocked at Machinery
Only 1 allowed in the Empire
Requires Vincennes in the Empire
Cannot be built if Bastille or Tuileries are built in the City
Requires the Fealty Policy Tree Opener
125 Production cost, scaling with number of Cities / No Pop requirement

Spawns a Great Musician and a Great Prophet when built

Gain bonus from UA
+15% Tourism in the City during WLTKD
+2 Culture per Ideology Tenet adopted
+100 HP to the City

Gain 5 % of the points needed to finish the next Great Musician in the City whenever finishing a Building in the City from the Medieval Era or later.

Grants the "Paladii" promotion to Gun Units in the Empire (+10 max HP)

2 GWMusic slots (+5 Tourism and +10 Faith when filled with GWMusic from the same Civilization)

UNWb - Bastille (unique BuildingClass)

Unlocked at Machinery
Only 1 allowed in the Empire
Requires Vincennes in the Empire
Cannot be built if Sainte-Chapelle or Tuileries are built in the City
Requires the Statecraft Policy Tree Opener
125 Production cost, scaling with number of Cities / No Pop requirement

+100 Spy Points
Provides a free Constabulary in the City and spawns 1 Canons when built.
+1 Iron

Gain bonus from UA
+2 Culture per Ideology Tenet adopted

Gain 5 % of the points needed to finish the next Great Writer in the City whenever finishing a Building from the Medieval Era or later.

Grants the "Quo Ruit Et Letum" promotion to Gun Units in the Empire (+25% CS when attacking fortified Units).

UNWc - Tuileries (unique BuildingClass)

Unlocked at Machinery
Only 1 allowed in the Empire
Requires Vincennes in the Empire
Cannot be built if Sainte-Chapelle or Bastille are built in the City
Requires the Aesthetic Policy Tree Opener
125 Production cost, scaling with number of Cities / No Pop requirement

Spawns a Great Artist and 3 Pikemen when built.

Gain bonus from UA
+2 Culture per Ideology Tenet adopted
+2 Gold and Culture to all cultural Guilds in the Empire

Gain 5 % of the points needed to finish the next Great Artist in the City whenever finishing a Building from the Medieval Era or later.

+50% Supply from Citizens in the City
Grant the "Fédérés" promotion to Gun Units in the Empire (+5% CS per consecutive attack against the same target within the turn)

3 GWArt / Artifact slots (+10 Production when filled with GWArt / Artifacts from the same civilization)

UU2 - Grognards (unique UnitClass) => art by janboruta from this mod by JFD

Unlocked at Gunpowder (obsoletes at Rifling ; upgrades into Fusilier)
400 Production / 600 Faith cost
Can only have 6 at the same time

31 CS
2 MP / 2 Vision

Discipline
Formation I
Dauntless - Receive 5 less damages from all sources ; +5 hp when healing
Exemplar - +15% CS to owned Land Units within 2 tiles

UB - Hall des Métiers (replaces Customs House) => art by janboruta from this mod by JFD

Unlocked at Guilds
350 Production cost

+2 Culture
+2 Production
+2 Science

+2 Gold to Trade Routes to/from the City
-1 Unhappiness from Poverty
-1 Unhappiness from Urbanization

1 Merchant specialist

Unlocks the Guilde des Commerçants, Guilde des Artisans and Guilde des Savants in the City. (see spoiler below)

Spoiler Unique Guilds :

UBa - Guilde des Commerçants (unique BuildingClass)

Requires Hall des Métiers in the City
Cannot be built if Guilde des Artisans or Guilde des Savants are built in the City
300 Production cost

+2 Food to Towns worked by the City

Great Merchants are generated 25% faster in the City.

1 Merchant specialist
+3 Great Writer points (from free Building)

UBb - Guilde des Artisans

Requires Hall des Métiers in the City
Cannot be built if Guilde des Commerçants or Guilde des Savants are built in the City
300 Production cost

+2 Food to Manufactories worked by the City

Great Engineers are generated 25% faster in the City.

1 Engineer specialist
+3 Great Artist points (from free Building)

UBc - Guilde des Savants

Requires Hall des Métiers in the City
Cannot be built if Guilde des Commerçants or Guilde des Artisans are built in the City
300 Production cost

+2 Food to Academies worked by the City

Great Scientists are generated 25% faster in the City.

1 Scientist specialist
+3 Great Musician points (from free Building)

 

[Hinin]

For those wondering, I was inspired to try by gwennog's recent work on the matter.

Also, check out those beats :

 

[gwennog]

Also, check out those beats :

Excellentissime

 

[hokath]

Doesn't the Imperial Guard come a bit early? Napoleonic wars is Line Infantry <--> Fusiliers in VP, no?

 

[Hinin]

Doesn't the Imperial Guard come a bit early? Napoleonic wars is Line Infantry <--> Fusiliers in VP, no?

Normally, the Imperial Guard would have been perfect as a late Enlightenment Era unit. But we have a Renaissance Era that takes 400 years of fast warfare advancement and crushes it into one tier of unit. We go from early pike and shot to the rifles of the US Civil War in two tech tiers, and with a jump of 10 CS. There is no way to be precise here. At least, the idea of a "French pretorian guard" can hold as a unique elite version of Pike-and-Shot.

 

[TameFroggy]

The policy locks on the UNWs seems excessive, you're already limited to building just one of them
both UUs being limited and buffing nearby units is also excessive, and a bit redundant even if they're different domains

does the NW part of Grandeur apply to all NWs, or just ones with a building requirement, like... that one tradition policy
if it's the former, getting +2 production from the palace at the start would be really strong (the palace is still a national wonder in VP, right?)

 

[Hinin]

The policy locks on the UNWs seems excessive, you're already limited to building just one of them

That's an interesting thing to think about yeah. My idea was to go the same route as what America does but instead for midgame policy trees, but indeed nothing stops us from breaking out of that model and going the Venice route.

both UUs being limited and buffing nearby units is also excessive, and a bit redundant even if they're different domains

They are meant to act as equivalents on differents domains : both are elite, highly resilient core units meant to anchor your army. The limited number allows us to play with that design without making the civ automatically op. Their limited availability (only two tech tiers before becoming obsolete) is compensated by the fact that their whole power is kept upon upgrading (that's also the only way to avoid exploits).

does the NW part of Grandeur apply to all NWs, or just ones with a building requirement, like... that one tradition policy
if it's the former, getting +2 production from the palace at the start would be really strong (the palace is still a national wonder in VP, right?)

It's for all "true" national wonders, so not the Palace or the Tradition or Reformation buildings.

 

[Urzamax]

When the UA refers to 'Artillery', I assume you mean Siege units? Siege is the unit class, Artillery is a single unit type.

 

[KlHannibal2]

Nice evolution of your Napoleon France tweaks. I played that one recently. Tried to go tradition and build wonders, then conquer those wonders I was not able to build.
I feel that the grand strategy of mixing tradition with conquest is not the stringest combo, but I would still like to try Louis. The UUs look nice. The tradition stuff looks a bit weak, but I should test it first.

On the other hand, you could go full tradition/culture victory or full domination victory with the kit, depending on your start.

 

[Amadhe]

Grandeur seems a bit of a lackluster name, for a UA. Why not something like "Sun King" or my personal favorite "Le Grand Siècle". Sun King is a good UA Name, but it feels overused (aka nearly half the Louis XIV mods across multiple Civ Games uses it). Le Grand Siècle, or the Great Century, feels much more novel. It was a period of time referring to the reigns of Louis XIV and his father Louis XIII. It basically encapsulates the UA in it's entirety. Building Wonders, Building up the French Military, centralizing power, all of these things were started by Louis XIII and finished by his son, Louis XIV.

Other than the my proposed UA Name change I don't really have any other feedback. I'm not really sure I have any concrete feedback.

Actually, wait, I thought of something, but I'm gonna separate it into a second post since I am a bit confused and I'd like to put the questions in a separate comment.

 

[Pipiskus]

I think : "The state, that is me"(Or I am the state) or "L'État, c'est moi" in French is better, i think for a lot of people this phrase is the only reason they know about Louis 14.But to each their own.

 

[Amadhe]

Actually, wait, I thought of something, but I'm gonna separate it into a second post since I am a bit confused and I'd like to put the questions in a separate comment.

+2 Production and Tourism and +1 Great General / Great Admiral points from World and National Wonders. +2 Food from Great Works and Great Person Tile Improvements. Mounted Melee, Armored and Artillery Units gain Experience faster and have no upgrade cost.


The / Between Great Generals and Great Admirals confuses me a bit, but does it mean that World Wonders and National Wonders generate both Great General and Great Admiral Points?

If I'm not mistaken, both World Wonders and National Wonders give +2 Production and Tourism, right?

The no upgrade cost for Mounted Melee, Armor, and Artillery Units only negates the gold cost, right?

If I am understanding correctly, might I then suggest to replace the UA with:

Constructed Wonders provide +2 Production and Tourism and generate +1 Great General and Great Admiral Points. +2 Food from Great Works and Great Person Tile Improvements. Mounted Melee, Armor, and Artillery Units gain Experience (how much percent?) faster and cost no gold to upgrade.

It just reads better imo.

Though since I am suggesting changes, might I also recommend that the Food on Great Work and Great People Tile Improvements be granted per Wonder built in a City rather than just as a flat bonus? I feel like that would help tie the UA together a bit more (you'd want more GPTIs and GWs in cities with wonders) and it just feels like it would be much more fun to play with. It would scale better, but I like the idea of very large France. Since the 1500s, France has always been one of the nations with the largest populations, despite it's rather small size.

The modified UA I proposed above would read like so:

Constructed Wonders provide +2 Production and Tourism and generate +1 Great General and Great Admiral Points. Great Works and Great Person Tile Improvements provide +1 Food per Local Wonder. Mounted Melee, Armor, and Artillery Units gain Experience (how much percent?) faster and cost no gold to upgrade.

Anyways, thanks for reading, and if these don't end up being added to the design, I still had fun writing it out and ultimately, that's what matters most.

P.S. - The above sentence has way too many commas, but I'm leaving them and this post script note because I think it's funny)

 

[gwennog]

The above sentence has way too many commas, but I'm leaving them and this post script note because I think it's funny

In English I don't know, I'm very bad but in French it's quite customary and it goes very well. So, not bad for a comment on France .

 

[Hinin]

I think : "The state, that is me"(Or I am the state) or "L'État, c'est moi" in French is better, i think for a lot of people this phrase is the only reason they know about Louis 14.But to each their own.

I mean, it is an apocryphal late 18th century quote that has taken a life of its own, so... no. But thanks for the suggestion.

Amongst the many things said by Louis XIV Bourbon that we're sure of, only one gets close to the famous "L'Etat c'est moi" quote, and it says the opposite. Indeed, we know that on his deathbed, he said : "Je m'en vais, mais l'Etat demeurera toujours." (I am leaving, but the State will always remain.")

Pop history is fun, but one's must always be prudent.

 

[Hinin]

Grandeur seems a bit of a lackluster name, for a UA. Why not something like "Sun King" or my personal favorite "Le Grand Siècle". Sun King is a good UA Name, but it feels overused (aka nearly half the Louis XIV mods across multiple Civ Games uses it). Le Grand Siècle, or the Great Century, feels much more novel. It was a period of time referring to the reigns of Louis XIV and his father Louis XIII. It basically encapsulates the UA in it's entirety. Building Wonders, Building up the French Military, centralizing power, all of these things were started by Louis XIII and finished by his son, Louis XIV.

Other than the my proposed UA Name change I don't really have any other feedback. I'm not really sure I have any concrete feedback.

Actually, wait, I thought of something, but I'm gonna separate it into a second post since I am a bit confused and I'd like to put the questions in a separate comment.

In this case, "Grandeur" as the UA title is less about the individual or the historical era he comes from, and more about the gameplay theme : it combines a French word that has its own positive and negative connotations, and a kit that is about grabbing wonders, creating great works and making two unit lines the best possible. This, plus having unique units that are "elite guard" versions of their base forms with leadership-like auras. It covers both the good and the bad (brittleness of the kit, putting a target on one's back in term of gameplay and in term of diplomatic penalties).

+2 Production and Tourism and +1 Great General / Great Admiral points from World and National Wonders. +2 Food from Great Works and Great Person Tile Improvements. Mounted Melee, Armored and Artillery Units gain Experience faster and have no upgrade cost.


The / Between Great Generals and Great Admirals confuses me a bit, but does it mean that World Wonders and National Wonders generate both Great General and Great Admiral Points?

If I'm not mistaken, both World Wonders and National Wonders give +2 Production and Tourism, right?

The no upgrade cost for Mounted Melee, Armor, and Artillery Units only negates the gold cost, right?

If I am understanding correctly, might I then suggest to replace the UA with:

Constructed Wonders provide +2 Production and Tourism and generate +1 Great General and Great Admiral Points. +2 Food from Great Works and Great Person Tile Improvements. Mounted Melee, Armor, and Artillery Units gain Experience (how much percent?) faster and cost no gold to upgrade.

It just reads better imo.

Though since I am suggesting changes, might I also recommend that the Food on Great Work and Great People Tile Improvements be granted per Wonder built in a City rather than just as a flat bonus? I feel like that would help tie the UA together a bit more (you'd want more GPTIs and GWs in cities with wonders) and it just feels like it would be much more fun to play with. It would scale better, but I like the idea of very large France. Since the 1500s, France has always been one of the nations with the largest populations, despite it's rather small size.

The modified UA I proposed above would read like so:

Constructed Wonders provide +2 Production and Tourism and generate +1 Great General and Great Admiral Points. Great Works and Great Person Tile Improvements provide +1 Food per Local Wonder. Mounted Melee, Armor, and Artillery Units gain Experience (how much percent?) faster and cost no gold to upgrade.

Anyways, thanks for reading, and if these don't end up being added to the design, I still had fun writing it out and ultimately, that's what matters most.

P.S. - The above sentence has way too many commas, but I'm leaving them and this post script note because I think it's funny)

What you suggest would require lua, so sorry but it won't be possible. My version of the kit has the merit of being quite easy to code. I just need some time and energy to do so.

I'll simply rewrite it like this for precision's sake :

UA - Grandeur

+2 Production and Tourism and +1 Great General and Great Admiral points from World and National Wonders. +2 Food from Great Works and Great Person Tile Improvements. Mounted Melee, Armored and Artillery Units gain Experience 50% faster and have no upgrade Gold cost.

 

[1shmael]

I can't find the download link.

 

[ArturM77]

relax please waiting

 

[1shmael]

relax please waiting

Hahah I got too excited for this mod!

 

[H0dgvikin]

This civ has more unique components than Venice

[/URL] look forward to trying this once it's out

Louis XIV seems to be a really flexible leader who can pick anything between full tall tradition and full warmongering, with a lot of rooms for customization.

A comment about the UNWs: I agree with a previous comment that locking them to medieval policy openers in addition to them being mutually exclusive isn't necessary. Another thing is: the UNWs doesn't seem to distinguish themselves from each other all that much. With America and Venice, each of them clearly cater to a particular victory condition, but with Louis XIV French, they all seems to do similar things? Some military bonus, some culture, some GWAM points. If I squint my eyes I can see their ties to their policy tree (Sainte-Chapelle gives WLTKD bonus and prophet, Bastille gives spy point, Tulieries gives culture to guilds), but they can stand to be more different from each other so you can really specialize the midgame.
A possible direction would be to have Sainte-Chapelle give faith, Bastille give bonus to spy operations (like England's white tower) and Tulieries give focus on great works.

Also, do you really need three different military promotions from the three UNWs? Nothing wrong with it, but it might be cleaner to just merge them to a single military promotion (if any) instead of trying to balance between them.

Disclaimer: je ne suis pas français et je sais malheureusement peu sur les détails de cette trois monuments. Toutes les suggestions sont fait du point de vue de jeu. S'il y a des raisons thematiques ces sont plus importantes!

 

[tongfar]

No DL ?

How dreadful. off to the Bastille with you !