[RD] Identifying with fictional characters and caring for them

I hear relatively often as a criticism of fictional works (mostly movies and tv, though books, comics and so on also applies (and video games to some extent)) that the viewer can't identify with the main character.
First of all I'm not sure if I completely understand. Identifying with means the character has to be like you? Or that you could be able to vision yourself in their shoes? Can't the latter pretty much always be done?

But why is this a problem? If the main character is unlike you isn't that better? You experience being yourself every day, shouldn't fictional works provide something different?

People read fiction/watch movies for the emotional ride. Identifying with the characters is the vehicle by which the reader/watcher goes along on the trip.

Being similar to the main character isn't a requirement to identifying with him/her, but it helps. We have two teenage girls in my household...and we are watching A LOT of Xena. :crazyeye: They really enjoy watching a woman beat up guys. OTOH, I enjoy watching it because, at least in the early seasons, Xena was centered around a really strong moral compass.

I've just received a DVD of Yentl. I can in no way be mistaken for a 19th-century Jewish woman who only wants to study the Torah, but she is so passionate, she can sweep me along on her emotional journey. :cool:

IMHO: There are two reasons why readers cannot identify with a fictional character. Either they find the character repulsive, or the major character fails to have a powerful goal which compels the character to act. If the major character does not care, then the reader will not care either.
 
Realize this isn't PC , but am Caucasian plus some Cherokee and find it near impossible to identify with a none Caucasian/Native American Characters.

Even with Danzel Washington's movie's, can't identify. But before you accuse me of 'Racism' realize, I can't identify with female characters or animal characters either.

As far as Danzel's movies, don't remember any I didn't enjoy, just wasn't me.

His 'Flight (2012)', came close ... but no banana.


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Almost identified with the messed up person bit, not the hero bit.

Good. Now transfer that to a genuine empathy. Imagine your inability to relate to non-caucasian characters in a world where no caucasian characters exist in film.
 
People read fiction/watch movies for the emotional ride. Identifying with the characters is the vehicle by which the reader/watcher goes along on the trip.

Being similar to the main character isn't a requirement to identifying with him/her, but it helps. We have two teenage girls in my household...and we are watching A LOT of Xena. :crazyeye: They really enjoy watching a woman beat up guys. OTOH, I enjoy watching it because, at least in the early seasons, Xena was centered around a really strong moral compass.

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IMHO: There are two reasons why readers cannot identify with a fictional character. Either they find the character repulsive, or the major character fails to have a powerful goal which compels the character to act. If the major character does not care, then the reader will not care either.
You're missing the boat with Xena. It's not just about women beating up men and stories having a moral. The show is about relationships, and there's a strong element of forgiveness, too. There's a lot of woman/woman fighting going on, or haven't you watched any of the Callisto episodes, or the Amazon story arc that runs all through the series?

The only parts of Xena I really didn't like was when they brought Christianity into it, set some stories in the 20th century, and made a total mess of the Trojan War and everything associated with Rome.
 
You're missing the boat with Xena. It's not just about women beating up men and stories having a moral. The show is about relationships, and there's a strong element of forgiveness, too. There's a lot of woman/woman fighting going on, or haven't you watched any of the Callisto episodes, or the Amazon story arc that runs all through the series?

I of course was oversimplifying. [BTW: Forgiveness is found on the moral compass.] What I failed to articulate is that Xena shows powerful women, not damsels waiting for their knights in shining armor. For me, any movie or TV show who refers to the female lead as "the girl" is going to be lame.

The only parts of Xena I really didn't like was when they brought Christianity into it, set some stories in the 20th century, and made a total mess of the Trojan War and everything associated with Rome.

I agree, except I thought the one Xena story I've seen which was set in the 20th century was funny as h*ll. Admittedly tho, it was a XINO - Xena in name only.

I'm still furious that the show beheaded Crassus in a Roman gladiatorial arena. Gladiator fights to the death didn't begin until the Empire, not back in Republican days. Plus, Crassus died when the Persians poured molten gold down his throat. What a cool scene that would have made!
 
Plus, Crassus died when the Persians poured molten gold down his throat. What a cool scene that would have made!
There's a non-Charlton Heston version of the Ten Commandments movie in which Moses pours molten gold down the throat of one of the Israelites who was worshiping the golden calf.

It's a rather horrifying thing to see, even when one knows it's just movie fakery.
 
It's a rather horrifying thing to see, even when one knows it's just movie fakery.

It can be toned down. I'm thinking of the scene in Dirty Harry II where the pimp pours Drano down the throat of one of his hookers. All the audience sees is him hunched over her and her legs thrashing plus some sounds of choking and gasping.
 
Good. Now transfer that to a genuine empathy. Imagine your inability to relate to non-caucasian characters in a world where no caucasian characters exist in film.
Not sure what your getting at, am continually watching non Caucasian films like


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See movies like this all the time and enjoy

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But I don't identify.

But I can identify with


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There's a non-Charlton Heston version of the Ten Commandments movie in which Moses pours molten gold down the throat of one of the Israelites who was worshiping the golden calf.

It's a rather horrifying thing to see, even when one knows it's just movie fakery.
Yes, Hollywood or who ever likes to exaggerate:
Exodus 32:20
http://biblehub.com/exodus/32-20.htm
Moses Breaks the Tablets
19 It came about, as soon as Moses came near the camp, that he saw the calf and the dancing; and Moses' anger burned, and he threw the tablets from his hands and shattered them at the foot of the mountain. 20He took the calf which they had made and burned it with fire, and ground it to powder, and scattered it over the surface of the water and made the sons of Israel drink it. 21Then Moses said to Aaron, "What did this people do to you, that you have brought such great sin upon them?"…
Sometimes they even falsify the history to make a point:
WEDNESDAY, MAY 20, 2009
"Agora" and Hypatia - Hollywood Strikes Again

Hollywood Hokum - Again

It looks like some pseudo historical myths about the history of science are about to get a new shot in the arm, thanks to the new movie Agora by Chilean director Alejandro Amenabar. Now normally I'd be delighted that someone was making a film set in the Fifth Century (at least, one that wasn't another fantasy about "King Arthur" anyway). After all, it's not like there's a shortage of remarkable stories to tell from that turbulent and interesting time. And normally I'd be even more delighted that they are actually bothering to make it look like the Fifth Century, rather than assuming because it's set in the Roman Empire everyone needs to be wearing togas, forward combed haircuts and lorica segmentata. And I would be especially delighted that they are not only doing both these things but also casting Rachel Weisz in the lead role, since she's an excellent actress and, let's face it, pretty cute.

So why am I not delighted? Because Amenabar has chosen to write and direct a film about the philosopher Hypatia and perpetuate some hoary Enlightenment myths by turning it into a morality tale about science vs fundamentalism.

As an atheist, I'm clearly no fan of fundamentalism - even the 1500 year old variety (though modern manifestations tend to be the ones to watch out for). And as an amateur historian of science I'm more than happy with the idea of a film that gets across the idea that, yes, there was a tradition of scientific thinking before Newton and Galileo. But Amenabar has taken the (actually, fascinating) story of what was going on in Alexandria in Hypatia's time and turned it into a cartoon, distorting history in the process. From the press release timed to coincide with the film's screening at Cannes this week:
Continued
http://armariummagnus.blogspot.com/2009/05/agora-and-hypatia-hollywood-strikes.html
 
Top 10 grossing movies from 2015:

Star Wars VII:
Director: JJ Abrams (white)
Screenwriters: Lawrence Kasdan (white), JJ Abrams (white), Michael Arndt (white)
Producers: JJ Abrams (white), Michael Arndt (white)

Jurassic World:
Director: Colin Treverow (white)
Screenwriters: Rick Jaffa (white), Amanda Silver (white)
Producers: Patrick Crowley (white), Frank Marshall (white)

The Avengers: Age of Ultron
Director: Joss Whedon (white)
Screenwriters: Joss Whedon (white)
Producers: Victoria Alonso (Argentinian), Mitchell Bell (white), Jamie Christopher (white)

Inside Out
Directors: Pete Doctor (white), Ronnie del Carmen (Filipino)
Screenwriters: Josh Cooley (white), Meg LeFauve (white), Josh Cooley (white)
Producers: John Lasseter (white), Mark Nielsen (white), Jonas Rivera (Latino/white [dunno]), Andrew Stanton (white)

Furious 7
Director: James Wan (Malaysian-Australian)
Writers: Chris Morgan (white), Gary Scott Thompson (white)
Producers: Vin Diesel (POC), Michael Fottrell (white), Neal H. Moritz (white)

American Sniper
Director: Clint Eastwood (white)
Writers: Jason Hall (white), Chris Kyle (white)
Producers: Bradley Cooper (white), Clint Eastwood (white), Andrew Lazar (white), Robert Lorenz (white), Peter Morgan (white)

Minions
Directors: Kyle Balda (white), Pierre Coffin (white)
Writers: Bryan Lynch (white)
Producers: Janet Healy (white), Chris Meledandri (white),

The Hunger Games Mockingjay pt. 2
Director: Francis Lawrence (white)
Writers: Peter Craig (white), Danny Strong (white)
Producers: Nina Jacobson (white), Jon Kilik (white)

The Martian
Director: Ridley Scott (white)
Writers: Drew Goddard (white), Andy Weir (white)
Producers: Ridley Scott (white), Simon Kinberg (white), Michael Schaefer (white), Aditya Sood (?), Mark Huffam (white)

Cinderella
Director: Kenneth Branaugh (white)
Writer: Chris Weitz (white)
Producers: David Barron (white), Simon Kinberg (white), Allison Shearmur (white)

The problem isn't that movies by non-white people don't exist. The problem is that they are fringe, they exist on the margins of the cinematic landscape, far out of the realm of what your average moviegoer is going to see and what your average theater is going to offer. That in the top-25 top grossing movies of last year, only one (ONE) movie was directed by a Person of Color is a problem. That movie, Straight Outta Compton, was written by two white screenwriters. Again, the problem isn't that stereotypes exist. Stereotypes exist of white people too. The problem is when the people directing the stories, writing the stories, and funding/casting/managing the creation of those stories all belong to the same group whose only experience to other groups is stereotypes. Try to imagine even for 25 seconds going to a movie theater and not finding a single movie that is by, about, or for a white person.
 
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The problem isn't that movies by non-white people don't exist. The problem is that they are fringe, they exist on the margins of the cinematic landscape, far out of the realm of what your average moviegoer is going to see and what your average theater is going to offer. That in the top-25 top grossing movies of last year, only one (ONE) movie was directed by a Person of Color is a problem. That movie, Straight Outta Compton, was written by two white screenwriters. Again, the problem isn't that stereotypes exist. Stereotypes exist of white people too. The problem is when the people directing the stories, writing the stories, and funding/casting/managing the creation of those stories all belong to the same group whose only experience to other groups is stereotypes. Try to imagine even for 25 seconds going to a movie theater and not finding a single movie that is by, about, or for a white person.
The problem is that movies, books, and other forms of entertainment are dependent on sales.

Those white people you've highlighted know how to produce products that sale to everybody world wide.

Danzel Washington does to, for instance sales

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=denzelwashington.htm
 
Yes, Hollywood or who ever likes to exaggerate:Sometimes they even falsify the history to make a point:
Yes, I've seen Agora. I didn't care for it much, as parts of it were just so ridiculous.

I fail to see what it has to do with the OP, unless you're making the point that you found the characters unappealing and so you couldn't identify with them or care about them.
 
Yes, I've seen Agora. I didn't care for it much, as parts of it were just so ridiculous.

I fail to see what it has to do with the OP, unless you're making the point that you found the characters unappealing and so you couldn't identify with them or care about them.
It was in reply to your melted gold being poured down Israelites throats, it didn't happen and I continued with another gross abuse of history to show it happens all the time.

Hollywood and others have always played fast a loose with facts, sometimes to make the tale more interesting, other time it's propaganda.
 
It was in reply to your melted gold being poured down Israelites throats, it didn't happen and I continued with another gross abuse of history to show it happens all the time.

Hollywood and others have always played fast a loose with facts, sometimes to make the tale more interesting, other time it's propaganda.
Wow. Really? I had no idea that Hollywood movies aren't documentaries.

I totally thought that every minute of Gladiator was historically accurate. Really.

:rolleyes:

No, not really. That's another example of Hollywood making a complete mess of real history for the sake of a couple of dramatic scenes that never happened.
 
This is the reason why The Simpsons episode "The Principal and the Pauper" was written. The writer thought it was absurd that people can identify with fictional characters.
 
The problem isn't that movies by non-white people don't exist. The problem is that they are fringe, they exist on the margins of the cinematic landscape, far out of the realm of what your average moviegoer is going to see and what your average theater is going to offer. That in the top-25 top grossing movies of last year, only one (ONE) movie was directed by a Person of Color is a problem. That movie, Straight Outta Compton, was written by two white screenwriters. Again, the problem isn't that stereotypes exist. Stereotypes exist of white people too. The problem is when the people directing the stories, writing the stories, and funding/casting/managing the creation of those stories all belong to the same group whose only experience to other groups is stereotypes. Try to imagine even for 25 seconds going to a movie theater and not finding a single movie that is by, about, or for a white person.

Is something wrong with white people?

As a casual movie-goer (read: don't follow production with a passion), I know little about the production team. They could all be sentient toads hailing from the moons of Jupiter for all I know. The only directors I know the ethnicity of are the ones who go out of their way to be in the media spotlight which is a small percentage of the directors, producers, writers, etc that are responsible for many of the films that get released. For years I thought Ridley Scott was a woman, turns out that wasn't true. Changed nothing about the product they put out there. I'd be willing to bet the same is true of most movie viewers. I can't think of a single person I have ever known that froths at the mouth and figures out the skin colour of the team behind a movie they're considering watching and then slamming down the movie guide in disgust once they figure out someone, somewhere, was differently coloured than white.

You perpetuate the racism you claim to fight against by drawing such a hard line in the sand between white and not. You want people to watch movies made by people who aren't white? Tell your friends to, give them a reason why they should (hint: "because they're not white" isn't a reason), and sit back and watch while your peers are exposed to a new world of film.

People who aren't white don't get superbly fleshed out characters on the film screen... but neither do white people. You only have enough time for tropes or A-to-B character development. You aren't given over 500 pages to work with to slowly piece together a person's personality and inspirations or a TV show format. Are Teyla Emmagen and Ronon Dex from SG: Atlantis simply empty ethnic stereotypes? I liked them quite a bit. They were brave, honourable, and nuanced characters. The show was popular for ten years and these characters aren't white. Or how about Walking Dead? Michonne and Glenn aren't white, they're pretty great characters too. You're more likely to want Glenn as your loyal best friend than, say, the Asian stereotype of doing your math homework.

How many ethnic directors are there that can create a film of similar cinematic quality as the directors listed in your Top 25? How many are even involved in Hollywood? Can you list 25 films right now that give a similar if not exactly the same viewing experience as the Top 25 Evil White Man film list?
 
I'm going to ignore this debate on racism within film production and going to stick with the fundamental question that Lohrenswald presented (since he encouraged me to post this after discussing this thread with him on IOTchat). It's an interesting conversation, don't get me wrong, but it's kind of off topic. Maybe you should consider a new thread?

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I think the biggest issue people Lohrenswald and co. have when asking this question, they take the meaning of "identifying" too literally. In general, art is a lot more visceral and abstract than even other humanities like history; a lot of it is just based on raw human emotions and concepts that people feel but can't nessecairly put into words. It can be hard to identify what we actually like and dislike about aspects of art; because it's not an exact science and there's always a lot of nuanced variables, along with the uncertainty of human emotion, that prevent universal theories of story or characterization conventions.

Hence, in art discussions, i feel like people tend to use terms, not incorrectly, but different to how we'd normally use them, in order to cover for these experiences that we most definitely feel but can't actually explain. "Identifying" is one of those terms; as people in this thread imply, people think the term is a literal synonym for empathizing. And while empathy plays a large role, I'd argue that being able to identify with a character does not mean you empathize with him or her, or vice versa. Instead, I believe identifying in the context means more "does the character have internally consistent humanlike qualities that I can recognize and understand, if not agree to?'

Now, I want everyone here to think long and hard on who their favorite character is. In the case of myself, it would definitely be Lucina, who I love so much that I use her as my avatar here next to all my posts. Now, what about Lucina endears me so much into her? I mean, appearance is always a factor when it comes to characters. In the case of Lucina, I'd even argue that her appearance heavily plays into her characterization, especially when it's so heavily tied to her identity in the story (makes more sense if you played Awakening yourself).

That being said, I could easily have conceptualized Lucina, with her exact appearance and name, and even the same general concept of a character (time traveling swordswoman who constantly seeks affection and approval from her family/father), but if I made how she interacts with the world completely different, then this new Lucina would be in herself a completely different character as well. Perhaps the changes would be better, perhaps the changes would be worse. I couldn't say for certain, but they'd be different.

To me, Lucina has three defining traits, besides the high concept that I described in the last paragraph that endears me to herh. The first of this, is her relationship with her friends and family. It's obvious to any player that she highly values her family, especially her father, Chrom. Even when the audience is unaware who she is or that Chrom (who is the main character of the story) is her father, she praises that Chrom taught her everything she knew about fighting even as she proceeds to duel him.The second is the latent trans symbolism that she's loaded with. That alone could really be an essay in itself, but as a tl;dr Nintendo is not a stranger to trans themes in previous works (see Mario 2 and The Thousand Year Door; hell there's a literal trans character in awakening itself) and while I don't make the claim Lucina is trans, she definitely is evocative of the trans life and struggle. The final is her demeanor, or the way that she acts and responds to the various issues that arise both in the background and within the actual story.

Now, can I directly empathize with Lucina? In some ways I can actually. I know how it feels to want to seek approval of your parents; I think it's a raw instinctual emotion that every human has to be quite honest. I can empathize with how she tried to hide her gender for the first arc of the game; I do that all the time in real life, and for a while I even had to do it here on CFC. I can empathize with trying really hard to be a stout, stoic hero that can take on anything, but having to stop sometimes to cry and let it out, because goddamnit if that doesn't describe my entire experience trying to transition...

However, there's just a lot of things I can't really empathize with her, but I can identify with. For example, no, no matter how hard I try, I can't empathize having my entire family being murdered by monsters, and seeing civilization itself collapse by their relentless assaults. But I can identify with that scenario on a more abstract level; seeing my entire familial relationship implode after they rejected who I am, being forced to live off my own in completly uncharted territory for myself. Yet, in both of our scenarios, Lucina and Inagree we have to fight on, because the alternative is even worse (Her case? The extinction of humanity. In my case? Likely suicide in a few years). Quitting is far easier, but is out of our options.

Likewise, I can identify with a lot of Lucina's demeanor, because utimately I idealize her philosophy, even if I never come to close to it in my life. Lucina, when given an immovable object, becomes the unstoppable force to break it down. Lucina doesn't believe in concepts like fate; her most famous quote is quite literally a contradiction of determinism, "I challenge my fate!" Instead, she believes any problem can be overcome, if you are resourceful and have faith in yourself. It may not always be easy (or practical in real word scenerios; there's no time travel irl), but Lucina will never give up and accept defeat. It's a mindset that I ultimately agree with, if not always rigorously stand to like she does.

And finally, while I notice and identify with all the trans symbolism that Lucina oh so clearly expresses, it's quite evident that Lucina herself is not trans. She expresses or even hints no gender dysphoria at any point of the story; it's all more on a conceptual level of how Lucina is designed and her role/arc within both the narrative of Awakening and her place in the series as a whole (it's a pretty complex theory; trust me you're better off just taking my word for it). Therefore, as much as I want to, I can not directly empathize with her on this specific issue.

So, to wrap this all up, being able to identify with Lucina so much made her into my favorite fictional character and made Awakening one of my favorite games. I think it would be safe to say I would not have enjoyed the game anywhere near as much if Lucina did not appear in the game. Does that have to say that I have to identify with a character to like its story? No. 1984 is one of my favorite novels, but the characters are actually not that important in the grand scheme of things. 1984 was always more about the political message that was interwoven between the setting and characters, which were only an entertaining vessel to express it. But most works of fiction are not 1984; they are not written for the expressed notion of a political tract. In that case, having strong, identifiable characters is what really gives your fame, or movie, or book, that long lasting appeal.

TL;DR Identifying means strong characterization, strong characterization means strong story
 
The problem isn't that movies by non-white people don't exist. The problem is that they are fringe, they exist on the margins of the cinematic landscape, far out of the realm of what your average moviegoer is going to see and what your average theater is going to offer. That in the top-25 top grossing movies of last year, only one (ONE) movie was directed by a Person of Color is a problem. That movie, Straight Outta Compton, was written by two white screenwriters. Again, the problem isn't that stereotypes exist. Stereotypes exist of white people too. The problem is when the people directing the stories, writing the stories, and funding/casting/managing the creation of those stories all belong to the same group whose only experience to other groups is stereotypes. Try to imagine even for 25 seconds going to a movie theater and not finding a single movie that is by, about, or for a white person.

Why is any of that a problem? Like an actual problem? What is the biggest downside?

White American 223,553,265 72.4 %
Black American 38,929,319 12.6 %
Asian American 14,674,252 4.8 %

The number of movies I've seen from the US roughly correspond to this ratio in representation. I don't really remember the directors or specific movies, but they weren't all comedies with generic stereotypes simply for the lulz. Why isn't anyone complaining Bollywood is full of Indian people?
 
I hear relatively often as a criticism of fictional works (mostly movies and tv, though books, comics and so on also applies (and video games to some extent)) that the viewer can't identify with the main character.
First of all I'm not sure if I completely understand. Identyfing with means the character has to be like you? Or that you could be able to vision yourself in their shoes? Can't the latter pretty much always be done?

The deal with this is that people enjoy hearing stories about protagonists who they can in some way relate to. The more you can relate to a fictional character, the more believable the character becomes, or at least the more interesting a story becomes, usually anyway.

I mean, imagine a protagonist written in a way that you can't relate to the person at all. You have no idea what the character might be thinking, feeling, why he does what he does, and you can't seem to get inside this character's head at all. That is not as engaging as a character that will make you sympathize with his/her situation and relate with the character's actions and reactions to situations.

Look at the movie T2 for a second. If Arnold's character wasn't human in any way, he would just be a robot, something most people could not relate to. But add a tiny bit of humanity in there, and suddenly the character becomes someone we can in some ways we can relate to. It changes everything. Looks don't matter either, the T1000 looks human, but is not someone most people could relate to. It's the internal qualities of a character that are important here, and when taking in a story most people will attempt to put themselves in the shoes of the characters.

The other aspect of this is that a character you can't relate to at all could just be written badly. I can relate to a lot of other humans on this planet, even if we might have completely different life stories. No matter, we feel similar things, and when someone goes through an adventure, I might not relate to a lot of it personally, but there will usually be some piece of the story and the character's reaction to events that I will be able to relate to. So if I'm reading a book and I can't relate to anything the main character is doing or saying, it makes it far less realistic and believable. I mean, maybe it's just a psychopath or robot or alien or whatever, and that's why I can't relate, but if it's a human, I would expect to be able to relate to something.

In the end, stories with protagonists a lot of people can relate to, seem to do well. Luke Skywalker, Leto Atreides, Frodo Baggins.. Fantastical settings, and yet, there's so much there in these characters to relate to. Main characters usually go through some sort of a journey, and that's what life is - a series of journeys. I guess in the end the deal is that if the main character is going through a journey I can't relate to at all, then I'll be a bit "meh" about everything. Who is this robot who is going through this ordeal? Who do I care? But if it's someone like the 3 characters I mentioned, it's so easy to see character traits I can relate to very well, which seems to draw me more into the story, because it seems to be written from some place that actually exists.. and I guess it also seems human.
 
Depending on whether by "main" character you mean protagonist...

The protagonist doesn't have to be "like" the reader, but the protagonist needs (generally) to be LIKED by the reader. Whatever the protagonist is trying to accomplish, it is best if this goal is seen as a generally "good" thing, because that gets the reader emotionally involved.

The story of how Smelly the Terrible avoided bathing in order to shock and offend the fair princess is not going to work. Readers (even smelly ones challenged by their own lack of access to baths) are just not going to like the protagonist, or his objective.
 
I also form emotional bonds with the fictional characters I read about. In the world in my mind that they exist in - they are real. Unless the book isn't good enough to have that sort of character development or dialogue. If things are wooden or 2-dimensional or whatever, my brain isn't going to be fooled. But if a character feels real, of course I am going to develop an emotional attachment to him/her, while following them on an intense journey, as I get to hear their thoughts and see the world they're travelling through, of course I will find things in this character that I can relate to. So, a lot of this is just natural, I think, if a character is good you will bond with him/her emotionally, and if readers can relate to a character then there will be a stronger emotional bond, and a stronger reader reaction to the book as a whole.

The best books that I have read are ones in which the main group of characters (or just the protagonist) left a lasting impression with me - as if they were real people. And it just doesn't have to be lawful/good characters either, it can include evil ones as well. If a character is well written (and realistic) then he/she will have multiple aspects to their personality, and not just evil person cliches. There will be things there you can relate to, whether the character is the pope or the devil.
 
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