If the Soviets did not get involved in WW2

[Merebimur]

Crikey guys the Russians were worse than the Nazis !! , Britain declared war because of the attack on Poland by the Nazis , then we let the Russians keep Poland and made them Commies , bet the Poles love us , Sorry Poland !!

 

[Gelion]

Crikey guys the Russians were worse than the Nazis !! , Britain declared war because of the attack on Poland by the Nazis , then we let the Russians keep Poland and made them Commies , bet the Poles love us , Sorry Poland !!

Can you recall the national population make-up of areas occupied by the Soviet Union?
Have you also heard of the Kerzon line? Sorry I'm not quite sure if you started history in your school, but I'd like to know if you can answer this.

 

[Theodorick]

Can you recall the national population make-up of areas occupied by the Soviet Union?
Have you also heard of the Kerzon line? Sorry I'm not quite sure if you started history in your school, but I'd like to know if you can answer this.

I think you mean the Curzon line? Not many people call it the Kerzon line, and you'll be lucky to find a history book that refers to it as that.

 

[Gelion]

I think you mean the Curzon line? Not many people call it the Kerzon line, and you'll be lucky to find a history book that refers to it as that.

Sorry, yeah it seems to be the write spelling.

 

[El_Tigre]

El_tigre's point about production back on the third page is still relevant here though. The Germans were outproducing the British in numbers of planes by the end of the war, but this does not show the entire picture with regards to capacity. The Germans were producing 40,000 planes because almost their entire capacity was devoted to single or double engined planes. The British capacity is noticeably lower as they were producing larger planes that took longer to build. The potential capacity of British industry had it been turned to fighter production would probably have equalled the German 40,000 with relative ease.

Amen!

Found on the Internet:

Spoiler :

From Richard Overy's "The Air War 1939 - 1945" I have the following figures.

Aircraft weight produced per year (units are millions of aircraft pounds):

1941 Germany 88; UK 87; USA 81.5
1942 Germany 114; UK 134; USA 275
1943 Germany 163; UK 185; USA 651
1944 Germany 199; UK 208; USA 952

Ratio of German to Allied tonnage:

1941 52%
1942 28%
1943 19%
1944 17%

40.000 planes, oh my!!

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In case someone wants to do some more reseach about the Air Forces of WW2:

As always, the Americans provide the best data:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroot/aafsd/aafsd_list_of_tables.html
http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroot/numbered_studies/studies1.php (Unfortunately, the most interesting reports on p.4 aren't available as pdf-files yet.)

Luftwaffe:
http://www.ww2.dk/ Check out the Discussion Board.
Axis in general: http://forum.axishistory.com/index.php

RAF:
Google for "Battle of Britain". The RAF's focus on this battle is ridiculous, I couldn't find data for post Oktober 1940 except for Bomber Command:
http://www.hellzapoppin.demon.co.uk/orderofbattle.htm
GB war production in general: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/UN/UK/UK-Civil-WarProduction/index.html#pageviii

 

[El_Tigre]

Do I get a cookie for posting sources that undermine my argument?

Spoiler :

http://orbat.com/site/sturmvogel/airrep.html#Ch7

Bolding is mine.

8. Capacity of Plant and Equipment

a. The aircraft plants built by Germany in the years immediately preceding and in the first two years of the war had a capacity, on a single-shift basis, adequate to supply the aircraft requested by the General Staff. This fact had a very important bearing on strategic bombing. Theoretically half of the plant capacity could have been destroyed and the other half, by working, two shifts, could have produced just as many planes as before. There was no problem of a major expansion of aircraft manufacturing capacity during the war, therefore, as there was in the United States. In 1943 and 1944 strategic bombing made necessary the provision of alternate plant capacity in dispersed locations, but it is probable that the plant and equipment which Germany possessed in 1941, if undisturbed, could have produced the quantity of aircraft turned out in the peak months of the war. (Figure I-1).

b. Not only was plant capacity exceedingly large at the beginning of the war, but production tooling had been built for a scale of operations much greater than that actually carried on in 1938 and 1939. German manufacturers had made an intensive study of aircraft tooling during the thirties, and had evolved techniques of "series" or line production for the industry averaged 700 airplanes a month, only one shift of 40 hours a week was worked. Holidays were observed, and most models stood high on the learning curve. These facts as to the capacity and advanced conceptions of German aircraft factories had been noted by visited and had been reported in magazine articles in the United Statesand Great Britain long before the war.

c. Plant capacity apparently was at no time a limit on aircraft production. For at least the first three years of the war there was a substantial excess of capacity. Until 1943-44 the General Staff of the Air Forces was content with programs which constituted a light load on the industry. The existence of excess capacity and the practice of having several plants manufacture the same model with production tooling controlled by master tools, increased the difficulty of the strategic bombing attacks against the industry.

Note, however, that this does not touch the subject of resources, pilot pool and petrol reserves.

Never underestimate the stupidity of Nazis!!

 

[Tavenier]

D-Day was only done, because otherwise the Soviets would steamroll Western Europe. And a 'D-day' with all German troops defending the western front, including Britain, and even the Azores would mean the USA would never be able to conquer Germany. Not even liberate England.
And don't forget the USA was not very keen on fighting the European war. Some votes about conscriptiuon were almost lost.
Russia played the most vital part in defeating Germany. Without it, Germany would have won, because the USA simply could not reach Europe and the USA would not be very interested to wage a war that would probably last for 15 years (mostly naval fighting, I think).