Immortal University 60 - Pericles

[Grashopa]

I picked up BC education...

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Picked up stonehenge for a great prophet to bulb theology then 2 great scientists to bulb education. I messed up by getting BW late, if you get it up front and chop the pyramids 15 turns before I did you'll get a better education date and have bigger cities. 7 cities starting oxford in 4 turns. Then caste scientists..

 

[Wulf38]

1844AD, still going.

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After my aborted cuirassier rush on Cyrus/Roosevelt, I noticed that Wang/Saladin didn't even have gunpowder or replaceable parts yet, and decided to take my cavalry east and do some damage there. I took 2 of Wang's cities and Hammy Khan dogpiled them. Amazingly that made Wang/Saladin ready to capitulate to me already. Usually the AIs don't let me off so easy. I took capitulation and started moving north again, now with cavalry and cannons.

What followed was one of the longest and most frustrating wars I've ever had. They must have been drafting rifles non-stop since we made peace, because nothing else can explain the number of units they managed to build with only 5 cities each.

I cleaned up their stacks and took Persia's entire core, expecting them to capitulate after each city, but they were still "doing fine on our own". Khan declared on me half way through and their response changed to "we fear your enemies", which gave me some hope. But after I made peace with the backstabbers they went back to being "fine" on their own

I finally gave up and took Combustion for peace, because I had 14 war unhappiness at this point. Cyrus has 2 cities left (he sailed down and took those crappy fishing villages I never got around to settling) and Roosevelt has 3. If they really want to stay independent that badly, that's fine. I don't even want these crap AIs as vassals now. They can just die later when I get tanks.

Amazingly I'm basically at tech parity at this point, even with my economy raped by war weariness and unit maintenance. Hammy Khan is being really pathetic. They have infantry, but they don't even have Physics yet, and I'm about to beat them to it. I've seen Immortal AIs building spaceship parts by this date.

Anyway, I have 22 cities and I just founded Mining Inc. I'll spread that around, industrialize, and smack down these annoying AIs with tanks and bombers.

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[Grashopa]

that's fine. I don't even want these crap AIs as vassals now. They can just die later when I get tanks.

Hahaha

 

[DanielTorrence]

I picked up BC education...

thats huge, I am happy when I get CS in the BCs Did you have to delay pottery for that bulbing path? Question is where to go from here, it will be interesting to see your attack date.

 

[Wulf38]

1915 win...

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... by AP vote. Totally unexpected, I'd been calling the religious leader vote ever since I captured the AP just for the hell of it, and suddenly I got enough pop to win.

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The reason I have that random Mongolian city is because they declared war on me while I was massing tanks, and I crushed their stacks and took it in a peace deal. I don't know why he offered one of his core cities on the other side of the map from me.

Of course, even though I've already won, you know it doesn't end here. I've gone to the effort of building all these tanks, and I still have some business to settle

Just for revenge, I killed off Persia/America in about 4 turns. 1934 is when I capitulated Mongolia/Babylon and would have won domination, if not for the AP

 

[devastator]

1912 domination

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Went for HA rush, and chosed Wang as target. When I was a couple of turns ready for war Roose/Cyrus decleared on Wan/Sal. At the end of our crusade Ham/Khan decided to join against Wan/Sal, which at that point had just became Sal. I took peace. My economy was crushed, Cyrus/Roose teched good and R got the Sistine chapel, started hurting at the end of the game.

Sal and Ham/khan kept on fighting from late Bcs to when I redecalred at Sal in 1420 AD. At that time they were all backwards, my cavalry was facing LBs/Knights. So I went on taking out Sal and then Ham/khan. This is the reason the war lasted so long, haha, superdefenders? Impressive nevertheless

C/R had a huge tech lead after the war, but with 64% of the land it was just a matter of time. Stacked up bombers/fighter/tanks. Sadly they had ALOT of counter-attacks. Both their army consisted of gunships and mobile artillery. Well well only needed a couple of cities.

 

[Wulf38]

And some map analysis...

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Having AI teams was an interesting concept. It was definitely much harder than your typical immortal game, maybe closer to deity. You're basically playing against 3 AIs on a standard sized map, but each one starts with 2 capitols. It wasn't so bad because Pericles is a good leader, and we got a pretty nice start with nearby horses.

It made diplomacy tricky too. In some cases AI partners would run different religions, so adopting one would make the other half of the alliance dislike you. I'm not sure how plotting war works with teams. If Genghis Khan decides he doesn't like you, can he just plot war independently and drag his ally to war regardless of their disposition?

 

[GenerallyGreat]

I like how NOBODY else

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Had Roosevelt + Cyrus declare on them 900 BC while rushing wang/sal

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This was the number one reason why I didn't rush. If you are already at war with 2 civs that early I figured a dogpile would be good odds and almost certainly against the one guy rather than the team. All assumptions of course I actually have no idea how the mechanics of this scenario work.

 

[PeteJ]

1360ad

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I wonder whored in the beginning... Built the mids, great lighthouse, great library and used an engineer to snag a late temple of artemis. Teched slowly in the beginning then came back in a big way thanks to all of my goodies. I think I bulbed philo, part of edu, printing press, built an academy in my cottage city, conducted 2 trade missions, used 3 specialists for golden ages, and settled a couple of late scientists because I didn't know what else to do with them. I managed to lib rifling somewhere around 850ad and started pumping out cavalry a few turns later once MT was in. Snagged chemistry to beef up my workshops then turned off my research. I wiped out Wang and capped Saladin, then started working on Roosevelt/Cyrus. A few turns after I declare on them, all of the AI have rifling all of the sudden. Sooo frustrating. Well anyway this game is pretty much in the bag but I would either have to take peace and win space or diplo, or switch to a slower and more tedious form of war. As I have no interest in doing either of those, I'm gonna stop right here.

 

[Grashopa]

thats huge, I am happy when I get CS in the BCs Did you have to delay pottery for that bulbing path? Question is where to go from here, it will be interesting to see your attack date.

Yeah I skipped pottery and 'skipped' BW by getting it late. Late BW is stupid when you can whip libraries and have stone + forest to chop for pyramids. EDIT- I mean stupid for what I attempted to do.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

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This was the number one reason why I didn't rush. If you are already at war with 2 civs that early I figured a dogpile would be good odds and almost certainly against the one guy rather than the team. All assumptions of course I actually have no idea how the mechanics of this scenario work.

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It just adds team power, but since we're talking about other teams here, there was literally no higher chance I got dogpiled than sal. Actually, GK/Ham would almost certainly have chosen sal as the dogpile target; with the others I was technically closer and thus a bit more likely.

However, cyrus/roosevelt are fairly peaceful leaders, and it was ROOSEVELT that triggered that war.

Also notice that such DoW only happened in one other game...sheer RNG chance :/. Couldn't have been a bribe because I was actually the first one to alpha; nobody had it.

 

[neilmeister]

This is all very interesting.....

 

[GenerallyGreat]

1892 domination. Too tired to write it up now. Not bribing one team out of war cost me 200 or so years of slogging.

 

[Grashopa]

I don't finish many games, so when I do I get stuff like that a lot

 

[NihilZero]

I was thinking of playing my first IU game in ages but then I realised the AIs were in teams and thought what a chore it would surely be to play this out. Looking at the finish dates (and for a pangaea, no less) I'm glad I saved myself the hardship!

 

[ben-jammin]

Man, I'm surprised at all the aggressive starts on this one. Cheap libraries + philosophical + stone + room to expand to 5 cities peacefully with heavy commerce? Screams 'mids and settled specialists, so that's what I did. Capital makes a great GP farm, got mids+great library there for mega synergy, moved my capital to one of the floodplains cities and cottaged the whole length of the river. With pacifism just in (with only minimal happiness defenders) and the national epic almost finished, it's going to be cuirs and cavalry against longbows and knights.

 

[GenerallyGreat]

I didn't even have one team that shared the same religion. I wish I could've run pacifism.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Man, I'm surprised at all the aggressive starts on this one. Cheap libraries + philosophical + stone + room to expand to 5 cities peacefully with heavy commerce? Screams 'mids and settled specialists, so that's what I did. Capital makes a great GP farm, got mids+great library there for mega synergy, moved my capital to one of the floodplains cities and cottaged the whole length of the river. With pacifism just in (with only minimal happiness defenders) and the national epic almost finished, it's going to be cuirs and cavalry against longbows and knights.

I wasn't confident I could keep up with teams w/o more land, though people proved you can. I had to use EP to shovel out of the hole.

 

[Wulf38]

In my case Wang kinda settled in my face. I could have gotten 6 cities peacefully, but 2 of them would have been crap fishing cities. I don't trust Wang either, every time I try to play peacefully next to him he declares war on me by 1000BC.

 

[PeteJ]

Weird, I've never really considered Wang an aggressive guy. In this game he was my best friend until I back stabbed him
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