Immortal University XVIII
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Izuul
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AIs wouldn't have 14 cities & 1900 score by 680AD on Immortal
You really can't expect me to remember those things!
Making good progress
I wonder why you bribed Kublai in, not a bit dangerous? (stealing the vassal and / or cities)
My thought process (which might be completely faulty) was that I am tiny and I'm pretty starved for production, so I could not afford to trade alot of units with Charly.
I plan on attacking both of them, so the idea that they trade units with each other is nice. Also if they are in warmode I think they tech slower...?
I tried to bribe Kublai off Charly multiple times after my initial gains but he said "No thanks, we would rather win the game.".
And I was afraid that he would capitulate every single turn of the war, thats also why I accepted his capulation to me right away.
If he would have vassaled to Kublai I would simply have declared and continued with both of them.
That he would steal cities I haven't thought about really... But now that you mention it, he have taken 2-3 cites from Charly, and with that alot of buildings where razed.
I wouldn't be able to tell either.
All I know is that in the current game I'm playing right now, they look big and scary.
To correlate this with some turn or year I wouldn't be able to do.
. Congrats on making it past the final stretch of RNG and AI trolling 
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How do you guys who go to space quite frequently handle the period from the last push (rifles/cannons or perhaps tanks) and onwards? I tried now to spam alot of +% research buildings and then factories+health buildings, but it is really tedious. Also micromanaging workers to set up workshops/windmills in a efficient manner...
Any shortcuts that one can use? Fully automated govenor? Outside of carefully grooming capital and perhaps 2-3 more production heavy spots?
Any shortcuts that one can use? Fully automated govenor? Outside of carefully grooming capital and perhaps 2-3 more production heavy spots?
Fippy
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Maybe cycle thru your cities each ~5t, checking if they work okay tiles only?
I find checking cities via the map really tedious, and much prefer using arrows inside city screens for that.
For workers i like making armies of 4 or so, more satisfying to start an improvement and wooo it's finished
I find checking cities via the map really tedious, and much prefer using arrows inside city screens for that.
For workers i like making armies of 4 or so, more satisfying to start an improvement and wooo it's finished
AcaMetis
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As far as industrializing is concerned, if at all possible, switch into Slavery/Organized Religion and mass-whip infrastructure using the buildup of pop from centuries spend teching in Caste System/Pacifism. Factory, Coal Plant, Aqueduct for some cheap extra 
, Levees, and if you're going for space, Observatories for later since Labs require them. If you've got a ton of pop build up, Universities in a few key cities as well. It might be late for Oxford, but with power it'll be a cheap Oxford. The whip is no less effective with power than without, and especially if you've only got 5 turns of Slavery before you have to switch back during a Golden Age you've got to make the most of it. Be sure to invest some hammers into the builds beforehand so you don't dry whip or waste previous Slavery turns investing hammers the normal way. And of course, make sure to keep an eye on your diplo when you switch into Organized Religion and, possibly, into a (different) religion - I've had one game where Charly started plotting the turn after I adopted a heathen religion and he DoWed me some time later, so beg 1 gold beforehand or keep a close eye on your neighbours.
As for worker micro, there's just no escaping it sadly. It's tedious, but letting the AI is just inexcusably stupid when it comes to improvements. In fact I'd suggest that you don't even let them automatically replace your road network with railroads, because you'll be waiting a long time on them to improve your Mines. Take Flippy's advice and bundle up your workers enough so that they can build whatever improvement you want that particular bunch of workers to focus on in one turn, it'll ease the tedium a lot. Though of course, keep in mind that Desert/Tundra/Snow tiles take more worker turns to improve.
I'd say you can reasonably trust the city governor if you've got a city that you want to work it's tiles and no specialists at all. Set the governor to focus on food and hammers, and they'll generally do a...serviceable job of choosing good tiles to work. City governors are shy about growing into unhealth, mind, so you might need to do some manual work if you've got something like Genetics coming in soon. If you've got a city that you want to run specialists, any specialists, or if you've got a city that's got any Spy slots it can run at all, never tell a governor to manage that city. Governors love to run spies any chance they get, and they'll gleefully run a spy over, say, working a literal goldmine or something. They're also quite stupid about whether to work a Floodplains Town or whether to work a Scientist. If you want to be a bit more efficient about it I'd suggest checking your message log every turn and seeing which cities report that they've grown another pop, and then check what that city is doing. You don't need to check every city every turn, necessarily, just the ones that aren't working the same tiles they were the turn before for whatever reason.
As for building/unit automation, never set a city to automated building/unit production when you've got Fission unlocked and Uranium hooked up, or when you discover...I think Mass Media and are building Eiffel Tower already. Governors love to build Nuclear Power Plants every chance they get and don't care whether you've sunk a couple thousand hammers into Eiffel Tower, they want to build Broadcast Towers. They want to build them literally everywhere, even if it causes your economy to plummet because no one is building Wealth anymore. I'm sure there's more pitfalls, but those are the two big ones I've noticed. If managing city building cues gets too tedious just save a cue (Ctrl+1-9, IIRC?) and paste it wherever a city asks what to build. You unfortunate can't cue up buildings a city can't build yet, so you can't cue up a Coal Plant after a Factory since the latter requires the former to have been build already, but them's the breaks. Better that than having city governors change your empire's name to Empire of Chernobyl, IMO.
, Levees, and if you're going for space, Observatories for later since Labs require them. If you've got a ton of pop build up, Universities in a few key cities as well. It might be late for Oxford, but with power it'll be a cheap Oxford. The whip is no less effective with power than without, and especially if you've only got 5 turns of Slavery before you have to switch back during a Golden Age you've got to make the most of it. Be sure to invest some hammers into the builds beforehand so you don't dry whip or waste previous Slavery turns investing hammers the normal way. And of course, make sure to keep an eye on your diplo when you switch into Organized Religion and, possibly, into a (different) religion - I've had one game where Charly started plotting the turn after I adopted a heathen religion and he DoWed me some time later, so beg 1 gold beforehand or keep a close eye on your neighbours.As for worker micro, there's just no escaping it sadly. It's tedious, but letting the AI is just inexcusably stupid when it comes to improvements. In fact I'd suggest that you don't even let them automatically replace your road network with railroads, because you'll be waiting a long time on them to improve your Mines. Take Flippy's advice and bundle up your workers enough so that they can build whatever improvement you want that particular bunch of workers to focus on in one turn, it'll ease the tedium a lot. Though of course, keep in mind that Desert/Tundra/Snow tiles take more worker turns to improve.
I'd say you can reasonably trust the city governor if you've got a city that you want to work it's tiles and no specialists at all. Set the governor to focus on food and hammers, and they'll generally do a...serviceable job of choosing good tiles to work. City governors are shy about growing into unhealth, mind, so you might need to do some manual work if you've got something like Genetics coming in soon. If you've got a city that you want to run specialists, any specialists, or if you've got a city that's got any Spy slots it can run at all, never tell a governor to manage that city. Governors love to run spies any chance they get, and they'll gleefully run a spy over, say, working a literal goldmine or something. They're also quite stupid about whether to work a Floodplains Town or whether to work a Scientist. If you want to be a bit more efficient about it I'd suggest checking your message log every turn and seeing which cities report that they've grown another pop, and then check what that city is doing. You don't need to check every city every turn, necessarily, just the ones that aren't working the same tiles they were the turn before for whatever reason.
As for building/unit automation, never set a city to automated building/unit production when you've got Fission unlocked and Uranium hooked up, or when you discover...I think Mass Media and are building Eiffel Tower already. Governors love to build Nuclear Power Plants every chance they get and don't care whether you've sunk a couple thousand hammers into Eiffel Tower, they want to build Broadcast Towers. They want to build them literally everywhere, even if it causes your economy to plummet because no one is building Wealth anymore. I'm sure there's more pitfalls, but those are the two big ones I've noticed. If managing city building cues gets too tedious just save a cue (Ctrl+1-9, IIRC?) and paste it wherever a city asks what to build. You unfortunate can't cue up buildings a city can't build yet, so you can't cue up a Coal Plant after a Factory since the latter requires the former to have been build already, but them's the breaks. Better that than having city governors change your empire's name to Empire of Chernobyl, IMO.
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