Imperium OffTopicum XIV

[KaiserElectric]

Considering we're an empire and the war does not revolve around governmental philosophy, I'd say that the answer would be a resounding "no".

 

[Sonereal]

Yes it does. You're asking a democratic republic to cede territory back to an oppressive military junta because you thought it was a democracy.

 

[KaiserElectric]

Which would be fine if our reason for going to war had anything to do with how you or the NWU elected your leaders. What the NWU calls itself is irrelevant.

 

[Sonereal]

Which would be fine if our reason for going to war had anything to do with how you or the NWU elected your leaders. What the NWU calls itself is irrelevant.

No, but we're prepared to sacrifice several men to save Vancouver from a military junta that vastly underestimates the forces aligned against.

You clearly stated you're prepared to sacrifice soldiers to save people from a junta, but now you're saying you're willing to sacrifice men to save a junta.

Then say it never mattered in the first place. Good to see the ideological underpinnings of the Hungarian escalation of the war have completely unraveled in the span of an hour.

 

[KaiserElectric]

You certainly seem eager to undermine my cause. Trying to win a war with words that you can't win with men?

Regardless, the comment made before was not a declaration of intent, but a counterpoint to your own. Rhetoric, mostly. And if containing your aggression is considered an ideological goal, I'm interested in meeting whoever taught you governmental philosophy.

 

[Tyo]

Why are you actually at war then?

 

[Sonereal]

Why are you actually at war then?

Jealously and greed. It is no secret than since the formation of the democratic PAU and Vietnam War, the traditional Hungarian, Roman, and Arab powers have been jealous of GEAR and PAU prosperity and security.

 

[KaiserElectric]

We could care less about your "prosperity" if you didn't spend the past six years bullying and invading your neighbors.

 

[Tyo]

What business is that of yours? Why are you going to war over a military junta on the other side of the world?

 

[Sonereal]

Pirates, an expansionist military dictatorship with chemical factories, and wthe Mexican warlords in the wastelands hardly make for good neighbors.

 

[KaiserElectric]

The PAU is an aggressive warmonger and we intend to stop them. As for the PAU description of their neighbors, you Americans have a wonderful little idiom that fits well here. The pot calling the kettle black, I believe it goes.

 

[Sonereal]

We admit we've had foward policies when it comes to pirates, warlords, military dictartorships with chemical factories, and warlords again.

I'm not sure what I should apologize for in that list.

 

[KaiserElectric]

Six years spent waging war to conquer your neighbors is not forward policies, it's warmongering hiding behind lofty goals and allegedly noble causes. And if you're so blinded by ideology that you're unwilling to be diplomatic with your neighbors, what business do you have on the world stage?

 

[Tyo]

Isn't what you're doing warmongering over the same line of thinking?

 

[KaiserElectric]

We are not going to war to conquer the PAU, we are going to war to contain PAU aggression and defend the NWU. Those are the German wargoals.

 

[Tyo]

warmongering isn't defined by what the goal is.

 

[christos200]

 

[KaiserElectric]

Then what is it defined by, practice? Because unless we spent the last six years trying to invade Poland again, you can hardly label us warmongers.

(Also lol Christos)

 

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[Tyo]

As far as I'm concerned you're warring for war's sake. And if we're talking about quantity of wars as the definition, and counting this as a continuation for the first conflict, the PAU has only been active in one war too.

Infraction incoming above.