Imperium OffTopicum XIV

[Ailedhoo]

we can give you the plans for the Basic Design of an Aircraft Carrier. the Constantinople is a modification of that design.

the Roman Empire can obviously build it, since the Constantinople exists.

We would like to... Platonist the design but we accept the offer from Rome as a sign that the Platonic Republic and Rome are once against are in good relations from the earlier outburst. We will though take heed; we would like our aircraft carrier to run on thorium... we would adopt Algae but we are still having bad trouble convincing the Indonesians that a energy trade deal would benefit both powers.

Will Rome by the way be interested in aiding our efforts to develop the weapon we are currently researching known as the assault rover? With its speed, chain gun and anti-air/vehicle missiles we might have a light armored hit and run vehicle for JUSTICE! It will especially prove useful for recon if the People's Militia cause any trouble for both of us. Nothing would annoy a guerrilla warrior better then a vehicle that could hinder their hit and run exercises.

By the way; does the USA or Rome have any experience with algae power? If the latter has we would love to try it out in our aircraft carrier but if not we will stick to the thorium policy, until we can unlock the secrets of algae. There is the option of having the Platonic Intelligence League (PIL) "barrow" the designs from Indonesia but we are at the moment focused on trying to have PIL keep track of the blasted People's Militia.

Anyway; we hope for great progress from our operations, especially ones that benefit the relationship between Rome and the Platonic Republic. May the first generation of assault rovers (once it finished being researched and constructed) be named the Augustus Assault Rover for more speed, lest haste.

 

[Mathalamus]

We would like to... Platonist the design but we accept the offer from Rome as a sign that the Platonic Republic and Rome are once against are in good relations from the earlier outburst. We will though take heed; we would like our aircraft carrier to run on thorium... we would adopt Algae but we are still having bad trouble convincing the Indonesians that a energy trade deal would benefit both powers.

the Roman Emperor meant it to end tensions, so that's good. also, we kinda forgot. it obviously wasn't worth being angry over.

the basic design is already modified for thorium. we need to recall the Constantinople someday...

and, just because the Emperor is in a good mood, the Roman Empire offers enough materials and resources to build the Aircraft carrier, plus its required infrastructure. and enough thorium to keep it running for 25 years.

i would suggest Thessaloniki. nice and empty, and that kind of industry will revive the city.

Will Rome by the way be interested in aiding our efforts to develop the weapon we are currently researching known as the assault rover? With its speed, chain gun and anti-air/vehicle missiles we might have a light armored hit and run vehicle for JUSTICE! It will especially prove useful for recon if the People's Militia cause any trouble for both of us. Nothing would annoy a guerrilla warrior better then a vehicle that could hinder their hit and run exercises.

assault rover? interesting concept. we'll share the designs for guided bombs in return. its so you can target military installations with great accuracy. we'll even show you how to mount it on the Assault Rover.

By the way; does the USA or Rome have any experience with algae power? If the latter has we would love to try it out in our aircraft carrier but if not we will stick to the thorium policy, until we can unlock the secrets of algae. There is the option of having the Platonic Intelligence League (PIL) "barrow" the designs from Indonesia but we are at the moment focused on trying to have PIL keep track of the blasted People's Militia.

Algae requires an already existing oil refinery... we dont have any. the Emperor doesn't particularly want to go down that energy route yet.

 

[Ailedhoo]

the Roman Emperor meant it to end tensions, so that's good. also, we kinda forgot. it obviously wasn't worth being angry over.

the basic design is already modified for thorium. we need to recall the Constantinople someday...

and, just because the Emperor is in a good mood, the Roman Empire offers enough materials and resources to build the Aircraft carrier, plus its required infrastructure. and enough thorium to keep it running for 25 years.

We will gladly be pleased with the Romans commitment to development and we sorry for past ills. However I thought at the current stage only the USA had the assembly capabilities to construct aircraft carriers? Still... if both Rome and the Platonics could rival US war industries we could be secure, being self-sustained in wartime.

i would suggest Thessaloniki. nice and empty, and that kind of industry will revive the city.

Combine with the Tower of Plato (to be designed by the architect Cyrus Colonomos of the Productive Caste) and other projects this will help the renewing project greatly. Thessaloniki could become the forge of the Platonic Republic, although we would suggest Rome too have their own aircraft carrier production facility set up to aid their own causing.

assault rover? interesting concept. we'll share the designs for guided bombs in return. its so you can target military installations with great accuracy. we'll even show you how to mount it on the Assault Rover.

Are these bombs missiles or something one would set in a aircraft as oppose to a land based rover? That said the smart bomb could be used to help develop a targeting system for the rovers' missiles.

Still; it would prove useful for hunting any pesky hideouts used by the People's Militia. We need ways to improve that we hit those who dare threaten uncivil unrest against the Platonic Republic. The People's Militia could especially cause a refugee crisis in Libya by attempting to make a fight... and to think Thessaloniki was a refugee nightmare...

The sooner we have the means to discriminate specificity against key targets instead of facing the entire columns the sooner we will be able to reduce war casualties significantly by removing the masterminds of chaos, ensuring order for the Platonic Republic.

On the topic of bombs; we will like to use your bomb lessons in improving our rocket artillery. This in turn may allow you to adopt some of our rocket artillery technologies. The bomb may also help our assault copter's missiles' systems.

Algae requires an already existing oil refinery... we dont have any. the Emperor doesn't particularly want to go down that energy route yet.

Libya was a oil producing nation at one time... perhaps we can reuse some of the old refineries there? Granted there is the security risk from the People's Militia but with enough guards we could ensure the safety of the facilities.

In the end though we are going to need Indonesia's hand to help us develop. If we can convince them to the energy pact we offered (we would in return give them thorium based designs) the sooner we can diverse our energy supplies, protecting our energy security.

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

OOC: This whole idea of scientific research and essential development being traded like secret commodities is ridiculous, even in an IOT. Even if under a totalitarian state, we scientists would probably still hold mass conventions to share ideas like the hippies that we are.

the basic design is already modified for thorium. we need to recall the Constantinople someday...

and, just because the Emperor is in a good mood, the Roman Empire offers enough materials and resources to build the Aircraft carrier, plus its required infrastructure. and enough thorium to keep it running for 25 years.

I think it's worth noting that thorium is much more abundant than you all think. Rome certainly has enough of it to last a long time, but Platonic lands should have no shortage of it. It's the most common nuclear fuel on earth, after all. (Well, obviously excepting hydrogen .)

Algae requires an already existing oil refinery... we dont have any. the Emperor doesn't particularly want to go down that energy route yet.

Why would algae require an oil refinery?

What you'd need instead are specialized algae processing facilities where the algae is subjected to high pressures and temperatures to remove water and isolate the energy-rich hydrocarbon compounds from the plant. That's really it.

 

[Mathalamus]

We will gladly be pleased with the Romans commitment to development and we sorry for past ills. However I thought at the current stage only the USA had the assembly capabilities to construct aircraft carriers? Still... if both Rome and the Platonics could rival US war industries we could be secure, being self-sustained in wartime.

the USA did, but the Emperor obviously wouldn't accept that. we are Romans. we are supposed to be on the top of nearly every aspect. its time we started trying.

Combine with the Tower of Plato (to be designed by the architect Cyrus Colonomos of the Productive Caste) and other projects this will help the renewing project greatly. Thessaloniki could become the forge of the Platonic Republic, although we would suggest Rome too have their own aircraft carrier production facility set up to aid their own causing.

Ours will be set up in the Golcuk shipyards, near Nicaea. its heavily guarded location, and the fact that its already the primary Naval base of Old Turkey makes it ideal.

Are these bombs missiles or something one would set in a aircraft as oppose to a land based rover? That said the smart bomb could be used to help develop a targeting system for the rovers' missiles.

land based. its cheaper. we dont even know what planes run on nowadays.

Still; it would prove useful for hunting any pesky hideouts used by the People's Militia. We need ways to improve that we hit those who dare threaten uncivil unrest against the Platonic Republic. The People's Militia could especially cause a refugee crisis in Libya by attempting to make a fight... and to think Thessaloniki was a refugee nightmare...

the civilian casualties should be less, this time. even if the entire city of tobruk turns into a militia again, its still best to take out the leaders, or bypass them. we really dont want to deal with massive deaths again.

On the topic of bombs; we will like to use your bomb lessons in improving our rocket artillery. This in turn may allow you to adopt some of our rocket artillery technologies. The bomb may also help our assault copter's missiles' systems.

very good, the Emperor will allow it.

Libya was a oil producing nation at one time... perhaps we can reuse some of the old refineries there? Granted there is the security risk from the People's Militia but with enough guards we could ensure the safety of the facilities.

i suppose we could. the Romans and the Platonians will, of course, cooperate for the sake of Energy security and independence.

I think it's worth noting that thorium is much more abundant than you all think. Rome certainly has enough of it to last a long time, but Platonic lands should have no shortage of it. It's the most common nuclear fuel on earth, after all. (Well, obviously excepting hydrogen .)

we have no real idea where the reserves are. 2014 data isnt forthcoming about it. all we know is that Turkey has lots, but Greece does not. Libya has some, though.

Why would algae require an oil refinery?

What you'd need instead are specialized algae processing facilities where the algae is subjected to high pressures and temperatures to remove water and isolate the energy-rich hydrocarbon compounds from the plant. That's really it.

OOC: i watched this show, World Without Oil. i guess i was less than perfect in remembering it.

 

[WhiteRobber]

Once the Underground Geothermal plant in Gangnam Republic is finished, we will store leftover energy in large batteries, able to support entire regions for weeks before running low. We will also export them to our political firends and even give them for free to our allies.

 

[Reus]

There is the option of having the Platonic Intelligence League (PIL) "barrow" the designs from Indonesia.

Interesting.
Indonesian-Platonic relations are already quite cold.
We recommend, if the Platonic Republic wishes to cooperate with Indonesia,
The Platonic Rep. should begin gradual policy changes, instead of trying "other" methods
We would not lightly accept any covert actions by the Platonic Republic, or any other nations without Indonesian acknowledgement and acceptance

In the end though we are going to need Indonesia's hand to help us develop. If we can convince them to the energy pact we offered (we would in return give them thorium based designs) the sooner we can diverse our energy supplies, protecting our energy security.

Currently any cooperation policy is to work with any-nations; Rome is currently eligible, like most other nations. But two nations; the Japanese Empire and the Platonic Republic is ineligible for much cooperation. With the following reasons:

-Japan :
Cooperating with them might help their war effort which we do not support.
-Platonic Rep. :
The actions the Platonic Rep. took in justifying their ideology is unacceptable for Indonesia. Furthermore, despite all the condemnations received after the Platonic "liberation" in Thessaloniki, the Platonic Rep. decides to continue the practice in Libya.

 

[Mathalamus]

well then, the Roman Empire would like all of their research on algae fuel theory and practical knowledge of it, in exchange for the thorium counterparts.

 

[Ailedhoo]

OOC: This whole idea of scientific research and essential development being traded like secret commodities is ridiculous, even in an IOT. Even if under a totalitarian state, we scientists would probably still hold mass conventions to share ideas like the hippies that we are.

OOC: we do need to establish such conferences. I would especially welcome a energy conference... for obvious reasons.

Back to IC...

I think it's worth noting that thorium is much more abundant than you all think. Rome certainly has enough of it to last a long time, but Platonic lands should have no shortage of it. It's the most common nuclear fuel on earth, after all. (Well, obviously excepting hydrogen .)

The Platonic Republic will benefit from the Thorium mining industry, although we still conduct trading operations with Rome just for improved relations.

Why would algae require an oil refinery?

What you'd need instead are specialized algae processing facilities where the algae is subjected to high pressures and temperatures to remove water and isolate the energy-rich hydrocarbon compounds from the plant. That's really it.

Good point. We of the Platonic Republic will establish one in Thessaloniki. We will also like to offer a energy research pact with your power to aid us both further.

the USA did, but the Emperor obviously wouldn't accept that. we are Romans. we are supposed to be on the top of nearly every aspect. its time we started trying.

Then may both the Platonics and Rome raise above their stations and be the great powers were are destined to be.

Ours will be set up in the Golcuk shipyards, near Nicaea. its heavily guarded location, and the fact that its already the primary Naval base of Old Turkey makes it ideal.

Excellent.

land based. its cheaper. we dont even know what planes run on nowadays.

...why would you have aircraft carriers without aircraft? That is like having guided bombs without bombers.

We Platonics have interest in hydrogen engines. Water can be the oil of today.

the civilian casualties should be less, this time. even if the entire city of tobruk turns into a militia again, its still best to take out the leaders, or bypass them. we really dont want to deal with massive deaths again.

We hope too.

OOC: although insurgent tactics have evolved in the latter 20th and early 21st century to try to avoid the "cut off the head" problem viva cells that can work independently from a centralized head...

very good, the Emperor will allow it.

With the consideration on specialized algae plants we may want to... look into those areas. Thessaloniki would be a better place to do such operations than Libya anyway... while Rome can have its facilities in Bulgaria as a way to help development there.

That said we will need to keep up security anyway; insurgents are not easy to contain and a attempt to "reclaim" Thessaloniki is always a risk.

i suppose we could. the Romans and the Platonians will, of course, cooperate for the sake of Energy security and independence.

Excellent.

Interesting.
Indonesian-Platonic relations are already quite cold.
We recommend, if the Platonic Republic wishes to cooperate with Indonesia,
The Platonic Rep. should begin gradual policy changes, instead of trying "other" methods
We would not lightly accept any covert actions by the Platonic Republic, or any other nations without Indonesian acknowledgement and acceptance

If you read on our talks you may have noticed a bit which we said we were focusing on our covert action to be set for anti-insurgent activity. The fact we declared it in public also executed any chance of design theft.

As for "gradual policy changes" we would like to see Indonesia conduct gradual education reforms, such as learning about Westphalia and the important of recognizing that domestic affairs are of the state, not outsiders.

Currently any cooperation policy is to work with any-nations; Rome is currently eligible, like most other nations. But two nations; the Japanese Empire and the Platonic Republic is ineligible for much cooperation. With the following reasons:

-Japan :
Cooperating with them might help their war effort which we do not support.
-Platonic Rep. :
The actions the Platonic Rep. took in justifying their ideology is unacceptable for Indonesia. Furthermore, despite all the condemnations received after the Platonic "liberation" in Thessaloniki, the Platonic Rep. decides to continue the practice in Libya.

Our ideology is committed to justice and ensuring the common good for all, while "democracy" promotes populism, idiocy and generally is badder than a bad tyranny, for at least the latter can be blamed on one person. Our system is based off moderation, bravery, wisdom and justice, while your system seems to be based off mindless popularity contest. Democracy is anarchy's first cousin and must hence be kept out of the orderly and civilized Platonic Republic! Rome has its head right with its decision to base power in a emperor. While it may... not be perfect it does promote wisdom and courage, two important virtues.

Our action in Thessaloniki were just. Are you saying the People's Militia were in the right to conduct their ill operations? We in current talks with Rome to talk with strategies to help annihilate the terrorist scum with less causalities (including the militants deluded with chaotic lies) and Cerberus will aid in eliminating insurgent targets.

Anyway; if Indonesia cannot let go of naivety by respecting our Westphalia right to restore order to our domestic nation then we will be best to ask other powers for the technological research.

Thessaloniki has been liberated; it will redevelop and be set for justice.

well then, the Roman Empire would like all of their research on algae fuel theory and practical knowledge of it, in exchange for the thorium counterparts.

Indonesia has lost it appears in its ideological efforts to keep energy technology out of classical hands. Rome's pragmatic way will benefit itself and the Platonic Republic. Glory to our friendship with Rome!

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

OOC: Ugh. Once again, technologies like these aren't commodities to be traded. I'm sure there are scientists in most every nation that know the basics to all these energy methods, tech diffusion exists. It's not like Civ. We share things IRL. I'm sorry, but that's just one of my major pet peeves.

we have no real idea where the reserves are. 2014 data isnt forthcoming about it. all we know is that Turkey has lots, but Greece does not. Libya has some, though.

The thing is, we don't need to know where the reserves are OTL, because we don't use thorium practically at all right now. I'm absolutely positive that, from prior experience and basic logic, if we do some basic inferring, and look at the respective geographical aspects of those locations which contain thorium and those that don't, we see that WLOG Greece should have deposits of its own.

OOC: i watched this show, World Without Oil. i guess i was less than perfect in remembering it.

Yeah, algae is simple theoretically to turn into fuel, but it requires a lot of energy on its own for the dehydration and compound isolation that it's actually kind of impractical for large-scale use. Theoretically, metal foundries, due to their high temperature, may serve as good templates for algae-processing facilities. Though incidentally we are experimenting with some larger scale production facilities right now.

EDIT: Sìchuān is led by a mad theoretical nuclear physicist now. Do we win?

 

[Mathalamus]

...why would you have aircraft carriers without aircraft? That is like having guided bombs without bombers.

We Platonics have interest in hydrogen engines. Water can be the oil of today.

i suppose we can work with that on a temporary basis.

With the consideration on specialized algae plants we may want to... look into those areas. Thessaloniki would be a better place to do such operations than Libya anyway... while Rome can have its facilities in Bulgaria as a way to help development there.

agreed.

That said we will need to keep up security anyway; insurgents are not easy to contain and a attempt to "reclaim" Thessaloniki is always a risk.

there are Roman and platonic ships crawling around, to prevent just this from happening.

 

[Reus]

If you read on our talks you may have noticed a bit which we said we were focusing on our covert action to be set for anti-insurgent activity. The fact we declared it in public also executed any chance of design theft.

As for "gradual policy changes" we would like to see Indonesia conduct gradual education reforms, such as learning about Westphalia and the important of recognizing that domestic affairs are of the state, not outsiders.

Our ideology is committed to justice and ensuring the common good for all, while "democracy" promotes populism, idiocy and generally is badder than a bad tyranny, for at least the latter can be blamed on one person. Our system is based off moderation, bravery, wisdom and justice, while your system seems to be based off mindless popularity contest. Democracy is anarchy's first cousin and must hence be kept out of the orderly and civilized Platonic Republic! Rome has its head right with its decision to base power in a emperor. While it may... not be perfect it does promote wisdom and courage, two important virtues.

Our action in Thessaloniki were just. Are you saying the People's Militia were in the right to conduct their ill operations? We in current talks with Rome to talk with strategies to help annihilate the terrorist scum with less causalities (including the militants deluded with chaotic lies) and Cerberus will aid in eliminating insurgent targets.

Anyway; if Indonesia cannot let go of naivety by respecting our Westphalia right to restore order to our domestic nation then we will be best to ask other powers for the technological research.

Thessaloniki has been liberated; it will redevelop and be set for justice.

We declare that the Platonic's "superior reasoning" have rendered us speechless.

Indonesia has lost it appears in its ideological efforts to keep energy technology out of classical hands. Rome's pragmatic way will benefit itself and the Platonic Republic. Glory to our friendship with Rome!

well then, the Roman Empire would like all of their research on algae fuel theory and practical knowledge of it, in exchange for the thorium counterparts.

Indonesia agrees with Roman proposal, and we shall not forbid Rome to forward the technology to the Platonic Republic. Its a hard decision, but nevertheless we agree. As long as Rome knows what they are supporting, and would know how we feel about it. Think the same way as if some nation you've cooperated with forward the technologies you gave to a nation like Japan.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Again we Platonics are proud that to Rome has a ally. May our ships been the pitiful navy of small "boats" the People's Militia may limited to out of the waters. They will not hinder justice's progress.

In other news Indonesia has entered our "likely nations to support the People's Militia book" and will see Indonesians in the Platonic Republic inspected in travelling whether they have anything suspicious that could relate to aiding the terrorist group we are trying to wipe out...

EDIT: Sìchuān is led by a mad theoretical nuclear physicist now. Do we win?

OOC: I think you do deserve some points in being a scientific leader. I am serious; you have benefit to IOT well with your considerations and for that I salute!

 

[Reus]

In other news Indonesia has entered our "likely nations to support the People's Militia book" and will see Indonesians in the Platonic Republic inspected in travelling whether they have anything suspicious that could relate to aiding the terrorist group we are trying to wipe out...

Indonesia recommends its citizens not to travel to the Platonic Republic.

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

OOC:

Aww, thanks Ailed.

And I'd like to talk more on water as a source of energy, but I'm off to my penultimate exam as of now, so I'd like to mention the First Law of Thermodynamics.

 

[Mathalamus]

Indonesia agrees with Roman proposal, and we shall not forbid Rome to forward the technology to the Platonic Republic. Its a hard decision, but nevertheless we agree. As long as Rome knows what they are supporting, and would know how we feel about it. Think the same way as if some nation you've cooperated with forward the technologies you gave to a nation like Japan.

Very good. and, the platonics may be a bit... off, but they are trying.

FYI, we wouldn't mind if Japan suddenly acquired all the information on thorium and algae, because they would have gotten it anyway at one point or another.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Indonesia recommends its citizens not to travel to the Platonic Republic.

Good. We do not want your undisciplined plebs joining the People's Militia (even if your plebs would make useless troops anyway) or any other terrorist organization that may emerge against the Platonic Republic and its strong moral compass of justice, nor ruining our towns with their uproars with their lack of discipline.

 

[Mathalamus]

the Roman Empire reopens the borders with the Platonic Republic, with the usual warnings about Libya being in a rebellion, that the Romans should not support the people's militia, among others.

 

[Ailedhoo]

the Roman Empire reopens the borders with the Platonic Republic, with the usual warnings about Libya being in a rebellion, that the Romans should not support the people's militia, among others.

In return we will be willing to have the Cerberus Pack be in close links with the Roman law enforcement and war agencies to alert them if the People's Militia add any Roman targets to their list, for the P.I.L will be linking intelligence primly with Cerberus and the Philosopher Council but Cerberus may be more... to the point with any data.

 

[Perfection]

Ailedhoo told me to visit, so hi!