IMPORTANT: Report from Apolyton

[Gingerbread Man]

This message was sent to me when I received the save (Hang out for a turn-chat, go to the room)

Hey CFC,

As I already told OctavianX in chat while I was playing the save, we spotted a GCA
galley at BoP 7-7-7-8-8 this turn. Given that it is there rather than one tile
further East, we suspect that it may be headed West rather than North and thus
toward CFC and/or around toward Equilibrium. We also suspect that there may be
additional GCA galleys picking up their forces retreating from us that they will
send either into the internal sea or toward your islands in the West.

Contact the Apolyton FAM if you'd like to discuss any of this or other things.

Thanks

- Consul Arnelos

This only confirms our suspicions. What shall we do? Have a thought about it, we must act.

 

[Cheetah]

All right, this seems to be the thread for the discussion of Turn 136. 150 AD.

As might see, Apolyton are worried about GCAs galleys...

But another issue has come up, that might raise the importance of the islands-discussion a bit more. We now have contact with the Netatolians! They have a galley two tiles north of Xiang Zhou. At least for me, this raises the fear of loosing control of the islands to a foreign power...

A chat log of the turnchat so far
[13:06] <Cheetah> i understand GBM would like to play the save
[13:06] <Cheetah> at least thats what he posted in the president thread
[13:06] <GBM> Well, seeing I AM the president...
[13:07] <GBM> lol
[13:07] <Cheetah>
[13:07] <Cheetah> so have you started yet?
[13:07] <GBM> check the forums for the message
[13:07] <Cheetah> checking
[13:07] <GBM> the one labeled IMPORTANT
[13:08] <Cheetah> BoP 7-7-7-8-8 <== where is that?
[13:08] <GBM> I have no idea
[13:08] <Cheetah> have you loaded the save?
[13:08] <GBM> but next to BoP
[13:09] <GBM> not yet
[13:09] <Cheetah> k
[13:09] <GBM> trying to find a 'Poly guy
[13:09] <Cheetah> ill download it and look at it while you play if its ok
[13:09] <Cheetah> ill help
[13:09] <GBM> sure
[13:12] <Cheetah> is laurentius helping?
[13:12] <Chieftess> I'll see if any are in #apolyton
[13:12] <Chieftess> apolyton.net
[13:12] <Cheetah> we're there
[13:12] <GBM> ummm, I'm talking to him, but I dont think he is involved
[13:13] <Chieftess> you beat me to it.
[13:13] <GBM> hi CT, by the way
[13:13] <Cheetah>
[13:13] <Cheetah> k
[13:14] <GBM> just be a sec, have to find the password
[13:14] <Cheetah> sure
[13:15] <GBM> Ottomans offering Monotheseism
[13:15] <Cheetah> huh
[13:15] <Cheetah> ottomans??
[13:15] <GBM> let me check...
[13:15] <Cheetah> hum
[13:16] <GBM> MiCCofl fame
[13:17] <GBM> dang, why am I bad with names...
[13:17] <Cheetah> hm
[13:17] <Cheetah> its the netatolians
[13:17] <GBM> ok
[13:17] <Cheetah> hm
[13:17] <Cheetah> we didnt have contact with them
[13:17] <Cheetah> before!
[13:17] <Cheetah> they must have met us
[13:17] <GBM> yes...
[13:18] <GBM> are we logging?
[13:18] <Cheetah> two secs, ill reject the offer and look around a bit
[13:18] <Cheetah> im logging
[13:18] <GBM> ok
[13:18] <Cheetah> uh
[13:19] <Cheetah> anyone want to PI me? We lost our two horses next to Port Blacksand
[13:19] <Cheetah> Santopia is destroyed
[13:19] <GBM> I could see all of that coming...
[13:19] <Cheetah> trying to find out how Netatolians got in contact with us
[13:19] <GBM> trade?
[13:20] <Cheetah> Netatolia has a gallet two tiles north of Xiang Zhou
[13:20] <Cheetah> galley
[13:20] <GBM> ok
[13:20] <Cheetah> NSS Indomitable Spirit has reached the coast of Fanatikou!
[13:20] <GBM> I need to fetch their email
[13:21] <Cheetah> hm
[13:21] <GBM> Time to bring on a great feast!
[13:21] <GBM> I will look around
[13:21] <Cheetah> heh. now things are getting very interesting...
[13:21] <GBM> very...
[13:21] <Cheetah> they have not settled any of the islands yet
[13:22] <Cheetah> but now everyone is around those islands with boats :/
[13:22] <GBM> yes...
[13:22] <Cheetah> gah
[13:22] <Cheetah> i would like to move units to scout a bit, but the information they gather would make it unlegal :/
[13:23] <Cheetah> you're still in the trade screen?
[13:23] <GBM> no
[13:23] <Cheetah> did you accept?
[13:23] <GBM> I accepted the offer without offering anything in return, to let the trade go anothe rturn
[13:23] <Cheetah> hm k
[13:25] <Cheetah> Chieftess: do you know the irc-server of netatolia??
[13:25] <GBM> no idea
[13:25] <Chieftess> no
[13:25] <Cheetah> :/
[13:25] <Chieftess> why?
[13:25] <Cheetah> forum?
[13:25] <Cheetah> we've made contact!
[13:25] <GBM> I'm at their forum
[13:26] <Chieftess> ok
[13:26] <Cheetah> link?
[13:26] <Chieftess> by galley I suppose?
[13:26] <Cheetah> yes
[13:26] <GBM> http://www.civgaming.net/forums/
[13:26] <Cheetah> i'm beginning to fear for the control of our islands :/
[13:26] <GBM> yes
[13:26] <GBM> which one will we take?
[13:27] <GBM> Take the small one, to stop an island blockade
[13:28] <Cheetah> i i think we can send a horseman and a pike to the smallest island, and a settler + pike to the big one
[13:29] <Cheetah> the galley in kuangbiao will be ready in two turns
[13:29] <Cheetah> during the third turn it can sail with a new horseman from jiang mapi and a pike
[13:30] <GBM> yes
[13:30] <GBM> we need some hot-footing, though
[13:31] <Chieftess> gtg
[13:31] <Cheetah> k
[13:31] <Cheetah> hm
[13:31] <GBM> irc.civgaming.net
[13:31] <GBM> I'm logging on
[13:32] Quits: GBM (~sthurlow@GBM.Users.Irc-Chat.Net) (Quit
[13:33] <Cheetah> k
[13:33] <Cheetah> and channel?
[13:34] Joins: GBM (~sthurlow@12b24a3f.8d7465b.tpgi.com.au) [3 users]
[13:34] <Cheetah> and channel?
[13:34] <GBM> I'm being nagged by parents to go, so I must leave you now
[13:34] <GBM> dont know
[13:34] <GBM> go to #helpdesk
[13:35] <GBM> can you post a thread with this chatlog in it?
[13:35] <GBM> please?
[13:36] <GBM> be back in 12 minutes
[13:36] GBM (~sthurlow@12b24a3f.8d7465b.tpgi.com.au) is now known as GBM_BeBackSoon
[13:37] <Cheetah> sure
[13:37] <GBM_BeBackSoon> great

I urge everyone who can to come to #demogame_cfc_msdg to discuss this turn!

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I will be returning to finish the save at 2:30pm Sydney time, be there if you dont like sleep

In the meantime, discuss:
*Trade with Netalonians
*GCA Galley issue
*Netalonian Galleys
*Islands to the west

 

[FortyJ]

There is the possibility that this galley contains military units instead of settlers. They may be trying an end around on us, so we should perhaps keep that elite sword and maybe a horseman too in the rear to deal with any such maneuver of theirs.

Again, a current map would be extremely helpful in determining an appropriate course of action.

 

[Cheetah]

I just remembered that I haven't updated the secure site for last turn, as I said I should. I am truly sorry for this. I was realy going to update it, I even made a new world map.

So to try to serve your request, here is the world, 130 AD. Closeups of our lands can be found in the Turn 135 thread.

 

[Cheetah]

In addition to GBM's list of things to discuss, I think I should add something.

- Trade with Netalonians
- GCA Galley issue
- Netalonian Galleys
- Islands to the west
- We have a settler just produced in Shen Ling. Where shall we send it?
- Santopia has been burned to the ground by GCA
- Apolyton has built a new city ca. one tile west of the ruins of Catchopolis
- We have at least 4 workers now. What tasks are we going to give priority?

 

[Ankka]

4 workers? The amount of them has doubled in a short time... I hope our settlers could do the same thing...

 

[Cheetah]

A few interesting points from our first chat with Netatolia (CGN)

- Netatolia are at war with GWT, peace with Apolyton, and have no contact with GCA
- They have monotheims
- GWT doesn't have monotheims. CGN are unsure if GWT have researched Invention.
- Netatolia would like to trade away Monotheims. Poly are not accepting, cause they are honoring their agreement with us. Netatolia knows that we will soon research Monotheims ourself, and are willing to discuss on a fair price.
- They are also interested in exchanging their history with us. They have the worlds history from the perspectives of Netatolia, Apolyton and Firaxis. I incidentily put together a partly complete history of our civilization a week ago or something, so a trade would be possible.
- miccofl has assured me that the galley near our city are empty.
- And last but not least: Firaxis was one turn away from making contact with us when they were destroyed!

A complete chat log will follow.

I have posted a few things both here, in the domestic thread and in the foreign thread. I suggest we discuss all we can untill GBM plays the save in a few hours.

 

[croxis]

HOw sad

 

[Cheetah]

Here is a chatlog from the netatolia chat.

 

[Octavian X]

Well, so much for the composition of a formal welcoming message.

Anyway, I am at this moment against a purchase of monotheism. We've put so much effort into it as of this point that it seems wasteful to buy it from them now.

As for CGN, we should set up a formal peace treaty, and do the same with GWT. I think that, unless we get a formal, written treaty signed with those nations, it's possible we could get pressured into entering their war on one side or another. Dual treaties would serve as an excuse to stay out of their conflict.

 

[Ankka]

As science minister, I say we should see how much they are willing to trade.

On other matters, I think they sound much nicer than GWT. We could get good relations ith them if we try to.

1 turn from contact? How sad...

 

[Zarn]

GWT: If we can get a solid treaty with GWT, we should, but their administration still won't talk. Maybe it's just a certain leader that won't talk.

CGN: They seem a lot nicer than GWT. I think a treaty with them would be far more likely from what I seen in Cheetah's log. In fact, having any communication at all proves it.

Monotheism: The price should be dramatically reduced, because we would get is soon anyway. As for Apolyton's loyalty, we will have to discuss the matter with them. I'm sure something could be arranged.

Apolyton: I ask the Science Ministry (yes science gets something to do) to think of ways our two civs can effectively go down the tech tree through different techs allowing trade. I think it should be mapped out through the next few techs. Then, if agreed upon with the citizens, the Apolytonian ambassador or I will take it to Apolyton with our diplomatic skills (although we probably won't need them). I would suggest putting it in a new thread or in your office thread.

GCA and the Island: I think we should put the settler on that small island to make GCA think twice. Disagreeing with probably some of you, I think we should settle it, now. There is no time like the present. I know we have to settle north, but that island is just as important as a harbor, a place to detect other civilization movements at sea, and possibly the buffer zone, if we are invaded. Maybe I'm thinking too much into this.

 

[Ankka]

Good points, Zarn.

I think we should... let's see... What techs does Poly have? I will need to know that before any special decisions.

 

[Bootstoots]

I think we should get a formal peace treaty with CGN. If possible, we can try to do the same with GWT, but I think we want to hint (at least to CGN) that we're partial to Netatolia.

 

[GenMarshall]

I believe it is a good idea to set up a peace treaty between CGN and GWT would be a good idea. The reason is that they would be locked in a peace treaty on our side. The 2 nations will still be squabbling around like chickens in a farm. The Peace lock between us and CGN and GWT would create a deterrent against war. How it would work as a deterrent is that, if one nation wishes to be hostile then one of the nations would have to suffer a reputation hit.

 

[FortyJ]

I'll start worrying about reputation hits in MP games when someone can explain to me the dangers of suffering one. I seriously doubt that any of the other teams worry much about them either.

 

[Zarn]

I agree with Forty, because I really don't know what you are getting at there, Civgeneral.

Wizard: I'll have to get back to you, unless Oct still has the info from last term. The only thing I know at this second is that Poly does not have Monotheism, but that was said earlier in this thread. We have some time to do this job, since the research is still slow at this point. As soon as we talk to Poly again, it will be asked.

 

[Ankka]

Well, I looked at the tech tree a bit, and we have two paths IMHO. Now, as we get Mon, we trade it to Poly, right? Then they /we, depending, can continue to Theo, while the other one could research engineering or chivalry. after Theo, we have to choose on what to do, because we could

a) Do so that the other one goes for Edu, the other one for PP. Or

b) The other one goes for Edu, and the other one for Engineering / Invention.

But, those plans need to still be discussed.

 

[Octavian X]

I just checked with Apolyton. They have engineering and feudalism, just as we do. That's all they have.

ATM, they are research invention. They'll have it in 22 turns.