This the chat log of an INFURIATING conversation between my co-workers and I about Civilization.
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ME: Most addicting game ever list:
http://tech.uk.msn.com/gaming/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=154231396
Do you agree?... I can not support a list of addicting games that excludes Civilization… I just can’t. That omission proves the creator of this article doesn’t know jack squat.
Todd: I agree with some, not most. I also disagree with the order, if they were supposed to be in any perticular order anyway. I also wouldnt say civ is one of the most addictive game ever either.
ME: What… are… you…smoking?
There is even a self-help group: http://www.civanon.org/
Granted it is a joke group, but the fact that this is a joke MEANS it is a widely known stereotype. Civilization is super-crack-crazy-addicting!
I can attest to that personally. I have played the game all night, I have dreamt about it, I think about playing it at work, when I play it, I don’t want to stop. It is very addicting.
Even if you don’t think it is the most addicting game ever, you have to admit that a large number of civilization players would disagree (and this goes back to the early 1990s when Civilization first came out).
Brad: w.e he is smoking, can I have some?
John: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I HADN'T EVEN HEARD OR CIV W/E YALL TALKED ABOUT IT HERE.
Paul: Seconded, widely used stereotype eh? Don't think so... I can start a joke site for people who love Muppets or whatever, that doesn't mean its widely used... and then some dude comes along googling Muppets one day and tells his friends his Muppet addiction must be normal because there's a joke site about it, therefore making it a widely known stereotype? Don't matter what he say, guy who wants to get it on with miss piggy has a problem... its called Kermit, and he's a bada** when he's jealous.
ME: Terrible invented comparison… that isn’t just “some guy” making a site. It is a semi-official site created by the company Firaxis (creators of Civ 3, 4 and 5).
Sid Meier (the guy who’s name comes before the Civilization title) is even in some of their videos. This isn’t some crackpot who came up with something random on his own. This is something the ENTIRE civilization community agrees on.
“An incredibly fun and addictive addition to the Civilization franchise…”
- www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/civilization4
“If you're a fan of the incredibly addictive Civilization…”
- www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/civilizationiv/review.html
“…The part where I explain that Civilization is addictive in a serious way…”
- www.necessarygames.com/reviews/sid-...c-os-x-windows-turn-based-strategy-historical
“…If you're a fan of the incredibly addictive Civilization strategy series…”
- www.reviews.cnet.com/.../civilization-iv.../4505-9696_7-31447850.html
“…Civilization is addictive like your kid's smile, or the shimmer of sweat running along your new…”
- www.eurogamer.net/articles/r_civ4_pc
The word addictive and Civilization are nearly synonymous. Also, if you haven’t heard of Civilization you must be a consol centric gamer (Civ:Revolutions on consoles is a joke. Civ on the PC is like a fine whiskey (sophisticated, deep, and nuanced), Civ on the consoles is like watered down 2dollar shots at a Mexican beach resort for drunken Spring Break kids.)
John: Hahahaaha He called me a console centric gamer.
LOL.
ME: I take it you consider yourself a PC Gamer then?...
Well not hearing about Civ would be the same thing as never hearing about Doom, or Command and Conqueror, or The Sims, or Wing Commander, or MechWarrior, or Quake or any number of widely known PC games/series.
You come off like a total n00b.
John: I have heard of all those games.
OH SNAPS I COME OFF AS A "n00b" (Seriously? Did you just do that?)
You are coming off as a pretty elitist d***** nozzle right now. JUST FYI
Paul: I think i played civ 2 or 3, and i have to say i was not impressed. It did not entertain me.
Todd: Civ is not in the same league as any of those games. except maybe wing commander cuz ive never heard of that one lol. George Bush played Civ 2 once. He lost to the computer within an hour.
ME: Never heard of Wing Commander? … *groan*
The Civilization absolutely belongs with those others; it is in iconic PC game!
http://pc.ign.com/articles/772/772285p3.html
2) Civilization IV
Developer: Firaxis
Publisher: 2K Games
Year Released: 2005
Synopsis: One of the Civilization games was absolutely going to be in the top 5 in this list, it was just a matter of which one we chose to occupy the spot. For years, it was largely understood that Civilization II was the best in the series offering up complex strategy in a palatable and even graceful format. Some out there would probably still argue that it's the best of the bunch, but we decided the latest went above and beyond that great title with more improvements than can be counted. From the revamped damage system to the diplomatic improvements and inclusion of religion, Civilization IV provides the most addictive 4X experience on the market. Even worse for those of us incapable of quitting to desktop is the inclusion of a very workable multiplayer solution. Turn-based strategy has never been easy this way, but Firaxis managed to make it easy, make saves work, and make it easily as much fun as the single player if not more so. Civilization IV is a brilliant game.
Number 2 on the best games of all time list. I know IGN isn’t the MOST respected site, but PC Gamer and many many others rank Civilization games up near the top of the pack for PC Games. I… don’t… understand…
Paul: If it hasnt been apparent, we are not the demographic that this game applys to where as you are. so i dont know why youre trying to tell us this is awesome... need we compare this to the pokemon conversation where i had sex with ponyta? accept that we dont agree, and live your life content in the fact that you get so much pure joy from civ that you must try to inflict it on others.
John: PC gamer gave early AoC [Age of Conan] a 87.
Fact is... Critics are stupid and half of em get paid to give good reviews. So citing them? Not really convincing.
Todd: Pokemon Red/Blue > any Civ game.
ME: It isn’t about converting you, or convincing you that Civilization is the best game. You obviously have different tastes. I don’t understand your point of view, but then again, I don’t have to.
All I want is the acknowledgement that:
A) The Civilization Series is known for its addictive nature, and belongs on any list of “Most Addicting Games of All Time”
B) The Civilization Series deserves respect because they have (generally) all been prime examples of excellent strategy game design, and the series has earned its place among other titles definitive of their genre (Doom, C&C, WoW, etc)
Can we at least agree on those two points?
John: http://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Price&sort_order=DESC&term=railworks
BEST GAME EVER>
John: From: John’s Friend[mailto: ************** @live.ca]
Sent: July 29, 2010 2:43 PM
To: Name Here
Subject: Blahblahblah
I want it, and what did I tell you about sending me s*** ME has said? Everything he types comes off as contrived and pretentious - it's the most f***depressing thing in the world. He says the kind of s*** in these e-mails that would make you punch a guy in the face if they said it to you in normal conversation.
Brad: What the?...
ME: I want it, and what did I tell you about sending me [poop] ME has said? Everything he types comes off as contrived and pretentious - it's the most f-ing depressing thing in the world. He says the kind of [poop] in these e-mails that would make you punch a guy in the face if they said it to you in normal conversation.”
I have a simple solution for [John's Friend]’s problem; do what he asks and stop sending him my “s***”.
As for your reasons:
A) You don’t need to play it to acknowledge what its reputation is (I have provided an ass-load of proof, or do your own research if you don’t believe me)
B) I don’t know how I described it to give the impression it was bloated or not fun; but as I said I’m not asking for you to personally like it or think it is fun. Just a respectful “It isn’t my type of game, but it seems a lot of people who have played it consider it one of the best strategy games of all time”.
I don’t like WoW, I consider it simple, derivative, and catering to the lowest common denominator. That doesn’t mean I don’t respect it for being an insanely popular and beloved game. If I was making a list of “Most Addictive Games of All Time” World of Warcraft would be on the list. Same thing with “Top Ten MMOs of All Time”, just because I hate it doesn’t mean it isn’t a benchmark for the genre.
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ME: Most addicting game ever list:
http://tech.uk.msn.com/gaming/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=154231396
Do you agree?... I can not support a list of addicting games that excludes Civilization… I just can’t. That omission proves the creator of this article doesn’t know jack squat.
Todd: I agree with some, not most. I also disagree with the order, if they were supposed to be in any perticular order anyway. I also wouldnt say civ is one of the most addictive game ever either.
ME: What… are… you…smoking?
There is even a self-help group: http://www.civanon.org/
Granted it is a joke group, but the fact that this is a joke MEANS it is a widely known stereotype. Civilization is super-crack-crazy-addicting!
I can attest to that personally. I have played the game all night, I have dreamt about it, I think about playing it at work, when I play it, I don’t want to stop. It is very addicting.
Even if you don’t think it is the most addicting game ever, you have to admit that a large number of civilization players would disagree (and this goes back to the early 1990s when Civilization first came out).
Brad: w.e he is smoking, can I have some?
John: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I HADN'T EVEN HEARD OR CIV W/E YALL TALKED ABOUT IT HERE.
Paul: Seconded, widely used stereotype eh? Don't think so... I can start a joke site for people who love Muppets or whatever, that doesn't mean its widely used... and then some dude comes along googling Muppets one day and tells his friends his Muppet addiction must be normal because there's a joke site about it, therefore making it a widely known stereotype? Don't matter what he say, guy who wants to get it on with miss piggy has a problem... its called Kermit, and he's a bada** when he's jealous.
ME: Terrible invented comparison… that isn’t just “some guy” making a site. It is a semi-official site created by the company Firaxis (creators of Civ 3, 4 and 5).
Sid Meier (the guy who’s name comes before the Civilization title) is even in some of their videos. This isn’t some crackpot who came up with something random on his own. This is something the ENTIRE civilization community agrees on.
“An incredibly fun and addictive addition to the Civilization franchise…”
- www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/civilization4
“If you're a fan of the incredibly addictive Civilization…”
- www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/civilizationiv/review.html
“…The part where I explain that Civilization is addictive in a serious way…”
- www.necessarygames.com/reviews/sid-...c-os-x-windows-turn-based-strategy-historical
“…If you're a fan of the incredibly addictive Civilization strategy series…”
- www.reviews.cnet.com/.../civilization-iv.../4505-9696_7-31447850.html
“…Civilization is addictive like your kid's smile, or the shimmer of sweat running along your new…”
- www.eurogamer.net/articles/r_civ4_pc
The word addictive and Civilization are nearly synonymous. Also, if you haven’t heard of Civilization you must be a consol centric gamer (Civ:Revolutions on consoles is a joke. Civ on the PC is like a fine whiskey (sophisticated, deep, and nuanced), Civ on the consoles is like watered down 2dollar shots at a Mexican beach resort for drunken Spring Break kids.)
John: Hahahaaha He called me a console centric gamer.
LOL.
ME: I take it you consider yourself a PC Gamer then?...
Well not hearing about Civ would be the same thing as never hearing about Doom, or Command and Conqueror, or The Sims, or Wing Commander, or MechWarrior, or Quake or any number of widely known PC games/series.
You come off like a total n00b.
John: I have heard of all those games.
OH SNAPS I COME OFF AS A "n00b" (Seriously? Did you just do that?)
You are coming off as a pretty elitist d***** nozzle right now. JUST FYI
Paul: I think i played civ 2 or 3, and i have to say i was not impressed. It did not entertain me.
Todd: Civ is not in the same league as any of those games. except maybe wing commander cuz ive never heard of that one lol. George Bush played Civ 2 once. He lost to the computer within an hour.
ME: Never heard of Wing Commander? … *groan*
The Civilization absolutely belongs with those others; it is in iconic PC game!
http://pc.ign.com/articles/772/772285p3.html
2) Civilization IV
Developer: Firaxis
Publisher: 2K Games
Year Released: 2005
Synopsis: One of the Civilization games was absolutely going to be in the top 5 in this list, it was just a matter of which one we chose to occupy the spot. For years, it was largely understood that Civilization II was the best in the series offering up complex strategy in a palatable and even graceful format. Some out there would probably still argue that it's the best of the bunch, but we decided the latest went above and beyond that great title with more improvements than can be counted. From the revamped damage system to the diplomatic improvements and inclusion of religion, Civilization IV provides the most addictive 4X experience on the market. Even worse for those of us incapable of quitting to desktop is the inclusion of a very workable multiplayer solution. Turn-based strategy has never been easy this way, but Firaxis managed to make it easy, make saves work, and make it easily as much fun as the single player if not more so. Civilization IV is a brilliant game.
Number 2 on the best games of all time list. I know IGN isn’t the MOST respected site, but PC Gamer and many many others rank Civilization games up near the top of the pack for PC Games. I… don’t… understand…
Paul: If it hasnt been apparent, we are not the demographic that this game applys to where as you are. so i dont know why youre trying to tell us this is awesome... need we compare this to the pokemon conversation where i had sex with ponyta? accept that we dont agree, and live your life content in the fact that you get so much pure joy from civ that you must try to inflict it on others.
John: PC gamer gave early AoC [Age of Conan] a 87.
Fact is... Critics are stupid and half of em get paid to give good reviews. So citing them? Not really convincing.
Todd: Pokemon Red/Blue > any Civ game.
ME: It isn’t about converting you, or convincing you that Civilization is the best game. You obviously have different tastes. I don’t understand your point of view, but then again, I don’t have to.
All I want is the acknowledgement that:
A) The Civilization Series is known for its addictive nature, and belongs on any list of “Most Addicting Games of All Time”
B) The Civilization Series deserves respect because they have (generally) all been prime examples of excellent strategy game design, and the series has earned its place among other titles definitive of their genre (Doom, C&C, WoW, etc)
Can we at least agree on those two points?
John: http://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Price&sort_order=DESC&term=railworks
BEST GAME EVER>
John: From: John’s Friend[mailto: ************** @live.ca]
Sent: July 29, 2010 2:43 PM
To: Name Here
Subject: Blahblahblah
I want it, and what did I tell you about sending me s*** ME has said? Everything he types comes off as contrived and pretentious - it's the most f***depressing thing in the world. He says the kind of s*** in these e-mails that would make you punch a guy in the face if they said it to you in normal conversation.
Brad: What the?...
ME: I want it, and what did I tell you about sending me [poop] ME has said? Everything he types comes off as contrived and pretentious - it's the most f-ing depressing thing in the world. He says the kind of [poop] in these e-mails that would make you punch a guy in the face if they said it to you in normal conversation.”
I have a simple solution for [John's Friend]’s problem; do what he asks and stop sending him my “s***”.
As for your reasons:
A) You don’t need to play it to acknowledge what its reputation is (I have provided an ass-load of proof, or do your own research if you don’t believe me)
B) I don’t know how I described it to give the impression it was bloated or not fun; but as I said I’m not asking for you to personally like it or think it is fun. Just a respectful “It isn’t my type of game, but it seems a lot of people who have played it consider it one of the best strategy games of all time”.
I don’t like WoW, I consider it simple, derivative, and catering to the lowest common denominator. That doesn’t mean I don’t respect it for being an insanely popular and beloved game. If I was making a list of “Most Addictive Games of All Time” World of Warcraft would be on the list. Same thing with “Top Ten MMOs of All Time”, just because I hate it doesn’t mean it isn’t a benchmark for the genre.
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