Intergalactic War
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Fugitive Sisyphus
Escape Artist
Star Wars has the power of the force. Nuff said
Yes but not all people or species are affected by the force.
Star Wars has the power of the force. Nuff said
Stargate has Amanda Tapping. Nuff said.
Masquerouge
Deity
You're confusing fantasy with reality. Sir Alec Guiness was a drunk, but Obi-Wan?
and this reply is hands down winner of the immaturest post on CFC award 
Ah I'm not so sure about that. Can Stargate ships FTL?
Yuri2356
Test Screening
This is the one area is which Stargate has a decided advantage over Wars. Though the Goa'uld are a good deal slower than wars Ships, the Asgard and Ancients (And by extention, Earth, since they use mostly borrowed technology from their allies) can move between galaxies in very short periods of time. (The fastest Earth ships can manage it in Days when they have access to ZPMs, and the Asgard do it in minutes/hours)
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
You're confusing fantasy with reality. Sir Alec Guiness was a drunk, but Obi-Wan?
I'm afraid not! Obi-Wan's alcoholism came at the end of Episode One, where his master was killed and he become the ward of the Chosen One! Such a double whammy is enough to throw anyone off the wagon!
Just take a look at some examples - in Episode Two, while on the hunt for a shapeshifting alien he arrives in a bar and immediately goes to the bar "to get a drink," leaving young Anakin to take control of the situation. Frankly, I'm surprised Skywalker didn't turn him over sooner to the Council. Going to Episode Three, well Obi-Wan never really looked like he was in charge of any situation during that, did he? Jumping (stumbling?) into the middle of a droid army? Drunk driving that lizard...thing? Never really utilizing his force skills during his battle with Grevious? He just wasn't with it.
Final nail - his comment in Episode Four about Mos Eisley - "you'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." How does he know this - because he knows the rough spots! He knows the bad pubs and the nasty crowds. Honestly, what do you think he did on Tatooine for 18 years - meditate?
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Star Wars hands down for it's technical and strategic superiority. At least the officers in the Star Wars series are actually officers instead of explorers.
The Galactic Republic and the Confederate of Independent Systems
To add in:
The Galactic Republic and the Confederate of Independent Systems
Yuri2356
Test Screening
Well, they didn't exactly exist at the same time as the Empire and Rebels...
You'd want to choose one pair, or the other.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
True, however (In the expanded series) some of the equiptment used by The Republic and the CIS were acquired by the Rebels or the Empire.
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Stargate wins in a practical war.
Let's list what they're capable of:
Blow up a sun.
Travel between galaxies in a matter of minutes.
Revive their dead.
Destroy all life in the galaxy, or target specific species.
Take over a person's mind without anyone realizing it.
Make bio-weapons that cause planet wide death to specific species in minutes.
A ZPM was reported to contain enough energy to destroy an entire solar system
Grow adult clones in a matter of days or hours.
Even cargo ships are capable of cloaking or traveling in the corona of a star.
Advanced armor that deflects or absorbs almost any weapon, including bullets, energy blasts, and explosives.
I've only seen up to Season 8, so I'm missing alot too.
Add to that the main characters in Stargate can all shoot straight, and have repeatedly defeated technologically superior enemies, Star Wars seems lacking, and Star Trek doesn't have a chance.
Let's list what they're capable of:
Blow up a sun.
Travel between galaxies in a matter of minutes.
Revive their dead.
Destroy all life in the galaxy, or target specific species.
Take over a person's mind without anyone realizing it.
Make bio-weapons that cause planet wide death to specific species in minutes.
A ZPM was reported to contain enough energy to destroy an entire solar system
Grow adult clones in a matter of days or hours.
Even cargo ships are capable of cloaking or traveling in the corona of a star.
Advanced armor that deflects or absorbs almost any weapon, including bullets, energy blasts, and explosives.
I've only seen up to Season 8, so I'm missing alot too.
Add to that the main characters in Stargate can all shoot straight, and have repeatedly defeated technologically superior enemies, Star Wars seems lacking, and Star Trek doesn't have a chance.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
I would add that Star Wars has a nice thing going for it called a Sun Crusher. This monstrosity was fairly small, but packed a whallop enough to make a star supernova, thus destroying the entire system.
And we can't forget the Galaxy Gun, this thing was able to fling a nuclear shell through hyperspace at a planet across the galaxy. The shell would emerge from hyperspace above the planet, hit the planet, and cause a nuclear chain reaction in the atmosphere, killing everything on the planet.
There' the Krytos virus, too, that can target specific species.
And we can't forget the Galaxy Gun, this thing was able to fling a nuclear shell through hyperspace at a planet across the galaxy. The shell would emerge from hyperspace above the planet, hit the planet, and cause a nuclear chain reaction in the atmosphere, killing everything on the planet.
There' the Krytos virus, too, that can target specific species.
Stolen Rutters
Deity
At first I would have said Star Wars because of the productivity of a galaxy absolutely full of advanced planets even if behind Stargate tech. Stargate has better scalability of production if given time to replicate their production centers far enough. It really depends on who gets to strike first.
Trek universe has far fewer "Deus ex Machina"-style parlor tricks than the other two, though, as they relied mostly on JIT beam-out plot twists rather than a magical force or all powerful energy source to make the end result come out right (even though antimatter served the same plot-enabler status). Plus, Star Trek allies had barely explored their own quadrant let alone a full galaxy, so they are also a bit behind in what forces they can bring to bear. Wipe out three Trek planets (Earth, Romulus, and the Klingon Homeworld), and you are relying on the Borg for most of your combat weaponry. You have no force or naquadria to help you so the only chance you have is to assimilate key allies within the other two universes to turn their magicks against them.
Trek universe has far fewer "Deus ex Machina"-style parlor tricks than the other two, though, as they relied mostly on JIT beam-out plot twists rather than a magical force or all powerful energy source to make the end result come out right (even though antimatter served the same plot-enabler status). Plus, Star Trek allies had barely explored their own quadrant let alone a full galaxy, so they are also a bit behind in what forces they can bring to bear. Wipe out three Trek planets (Earth, Romulus, and the Klingon Homeworld), and you are relying on the Borg for most of your combat weaponry. You have no force or naquadria to help you so the only chance you have is to assimilate key allies within the other two universes to turn their magicks against them.
Xanikk999
History junkie
How are the Hutts on there? Thier empire ceased to exist long before any of the starwars movies or even video games.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Darksaber, perhaps? I'm not sure.
Bluemofia
F=ma
Combine the abilities of the Galaxy Gun, Centerpoint Station, Sun Crusher, a few World Devastators, and Eclipse I and II.
Galaxy gun: Sit there and fire massive planet destroying shells that are massivly armored and have guns on it to deter fighters and stuff.
Centerpoint Station: Massive thing that can fire tractor beams to rip apart atoms of entire fleets, or destroy stars, or kidnap whole planets!
Sun Crusher: A nearly indestructable fighter sized superweapon capable of casuing stars to go supernova. It freaking survived being thrown into the Gas Giant Yavin!
World Devastators: Massivly strong shields, the ability to self repair and consume other ships, consume planets literally, improve itself with new additions, and even make more world devastators!
Eclipse I and II: Super Star Destroyer armed with a Super laser. Big massive thing with huge amounts of guns, and then a super laser. Yeah... Super laser on a SSD.
And then for those who think the force is only good for minor skirmishes:
Force Storm
Palpatine kind of is capable of summoning a force storm to utterly annihilate his enemies! Massive and capable of extreme destruction, he used it to annihilate an entire fleet! Though he did kind of lose control over it, but who cares! Massive destructive power!
Galaxy gun: Sit there and fire massive planet destroying shells that are massivly armored and have guns on it to deter fighters and stuff.
Centerpoint Station: Massive thing that can fire tractor beams to rip apart atoms of entire fleets, or destroy stars, or kidnap whole planets!
Sun Crusher: A nearly indestructable fighter sized superweapon capable of casuing stars to go supernova. It freaking survived being thrown into the Gas Giant Yavin!
World Devastators: Massivly strong shields, the ability to self repair and consume other ships, consume planets literally, improve itself with new additions, and even make more world devastators!
Eclipse I and II: Super Star Destroyer armed with a Super laser. Big massive thing with huge amounts of guns, and then a super laser. Yeah... Super laser on a SSD.
And then for those who think the force is only good for minor skirmishes:
Force Storm
Palpatine kind of is capable of summoning a force storm to utterly annihilate his enemies! Massive and capable of extreme destruction, he used it to annihilate an entire fleet! Though he did kind of lose control over it, but who cares! Massive destructive power!
Yuri2356
Test Screening
Suncrusher.
Useful, but the people who use those drives are either smashed to near-extinction by a recent major war (The Asgard) or vanished into assencion a very long time ago (The Milky Way ancients) The only other way to get that kind of travel speed is Stargates, which will only come into effect after they've settled in to enemy territory.
Also, sufficient power and numbers disparity exists that using superior speed to concentrate their offensive and defensive actions will be of limited utility. The empire will be able to meet them with sizeable forces on multiple fronts.
Not especially useful if they can't retreive their dead from the battlefield, or if there's not much left of the dead to be regenerated.
Abandonned Ancient device that was destroyed not long after its use against the allmighty lego-bugs. As of Season 10, it's not a part of their arsenal.
If you're referring to the Goa'uld, it'll be realized when a reoutine medical checkup reveals a rather large snake in the person's neck.
Note that Stormtroopers wear sealed armour, and the Empire is quite willing to respond to biological warfare with "Melt the surface of your planet into molten goo." Hell, they went to "Blow up your homeworld, killing its billions of inhabitants" just to interrogate a prisoner.
No, that was an experimental reactor that was built around the same principles as a ZPM. If was unstable, and lost in the explosion.
Aldult clone, meet several hundred Soldier droids - Play nice.
Stargate cloaking systems have been seen through before, and Such devices are not unheard of in Wars. Countermeasures exist to deal with them.
Ah yes, the Kull warrior. Have we even seen any of them around since Anubis was defeated? After all, this is taking SG as of Season 10.
Either way, we have no uppper limits on what Kuls can take, and they made up only a small elite portion of Anubis' army. They would be analagous to things like DarkTroopers, who are quite a step above the standard Footman.
Technologicly superior enemies who limit their subjects to the lifestyles and education of medevil peasants, and design their devices to be loud and flashy, rather than direct and practical.
The show made a point of this.
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
Dear oh dear, some people are taking this far too seriously.
And whoever the devil plays Dr Frasier!
Stargate has Amanda Tapping. Nuff said.
And whoever the devil plays Dr Frasier!
Stolen Rutters
Deity
Doh! I missed the Amanda Tapping mention. OK, stargate hands down.
An actual war would have me rootin for Star Wars but comparing the actresses will change that equation.
An actual war would have me rootin for Star Wars but comparing the actresses will change that equation.
The lovely Teryl (?) Rothery!
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
To which I have to declare a winner. We already saw the picture Perfection posted, to which I doubt any could counter the wonderous biceps of the SG1 team, the fantastic tight black costumes, the glasses of Daniel...
Why, to add Tapping and Rothery to the equation...that's just the killer blow.
Why, to add Tapping and Rothery to the equation...that's just the killer blow.