Intergalactic War

[nc-1701]

What about Ion cannons, Proton Torpedoes, Concussion Missles, or any other manner of weapons from the SW universe?

I'm not saying the're totally helpless...

Another advantage that a SW ship would have over the Borg (since that seems to be the chief ST nemesis) is that ST ships most often fire one shot at a time, which gives the Borg time to adapt their shields. SW ships, such as, let's say an Imperator II Class Star Destroyer, possess hundreds of batteries, capable of firing at once and in volleys, even assuming that the Borg could adapt to defend against Turbolasers, Ion Cannons, Concussion Missles and Proton Torpedoes (all of which an ISD would have), they wouldn't be able to deal with that first volley that would get through.

Yes, but the Borg have around 30,000 of these shipd you might kill the first, or the second, hell maybe you get the first 500, but you have still barely dented their forces.

Negative, ghostrider, Wedge Antilles and Lando Calrissian took down DS2. Han was on the surface of the Sanctuary Moon at the time.

My bad, it was the Millenium Falcon so I thought Han



Here let's look at a little scenario battle of Endor, but we get a Trek attack instead of a Rebel one.

200+ Bio-ships instantly enter non-fluidic space. They quickly seperate, but a planet killer forms blasting away Endor. The Death Star no longer has any sort of shield 100 Borg cubes come out of transwarp each instantly beams a 100,000 drones onto the Death Star. 10 million Borg drones quickly assimilate the entire Death Star, all Star Wars technology is now known to the Borg Collective. Meanwhile the Bio-ships wipe out the hidden Imperial fleet via two methods, first their main cannon was able to pass through a Cube surely it would cause massive damage to an ISD. Even if their weapons prove innaffective they ram the ISD's and board Species 8472 has proven virtualy unbeatable in personal combat, they are not harmed by phasers, areimmensly strong, and can survive in a vacuum. They quickly eliminate all resistance from stormtroopers. The Borg beam over, and assimilate the new Borg enhanced battle fleet.

Another basic strat against Star Wars or Stargate is Species 8472 planet killers can exit Fluidic space and wipe out a planet in no more than 30 seconds. Stargate has no defence, and Star Wars's planetary shields take 20 minutes or more to raise. Although a shield can be kept up indefionetly this eliminates the planets ability to interact with the outside world. In other words Star Trek could wipe out every Stargate planet in a few hours, and wipe out several Star Wars planets after which they have a complete blockade of all planets. Leaving the masses of Borg, Federation, Klingon, Romulan, and Hirogen forces to wipe out any Star Wars fleets cut off from their bases while assimilating their technology.

Resistance Is Futile... The Weak Will Perish.


@Zenspiderz
Actualy I'm on the verge of a massive breakthrough on that front. Thank You

 

[SG-17]

Stargate hands down.
Even though SW has huge fleets of ships, their shields are pathetic. An Asgard shield powered by a ZPM is impenetrable, not to mention an Ori shield. SG has beaming technology, that can beam you anywhere, even through an active stargate. SG has CITY SHIPS, giant flying cities, Atlantis powered by 3 ZPMs can fly, enter hyperspace, submerge itself under water, generate an impenetrable shield, which can be converted to a cloak, the drones can penetrate any shield, even the Ori.
The force is nothing compared to the ancients powers. An advanced human like Anubis' "son", Merlin, and not to mention Daniel can do everything a jedi/sith an do and more. An ascended being can destroy everything if the got the chance.
The stargate when it explodes can destroy an entire planet, not to mention a stargate destroyed with a Mark 9. Stargates can transport you across a galaxy in .03 seconds and across galaxies in 3.02 seconds.
Now lets not forget time travel, im pretty sure time travel never happened in SW. But it has happened plenty of times in SG. They used a stargate looped around by a solar flare, a jumper with a device designed to let it travel in time, and time dilation devices used by the asgards and ancients can stop a fleet in their tracks rendering them harmless.

 

[Perfection]

The most important thing about Stargate is that the main characters are practically invincible. I mean seriously, these guys achieve luckiness far beyond anyone else! No amount of fancy technology or good writing can top that!

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

What about the Dune Universe?


Does anyone know what would happen if a Holtzman Shield came in contact with a light saber?

I am pretty sure it would be the same effect as a lasgun.

Also, there were a million trillion people in the Duniverse in the later books. Such a sheer mass could clearly do a lot of damage.

 

[Warman17]

Star Gate could take on both Star Trek and Star Wars (but star wars is insignificant anyways) with just the replicators, the replicators steal all Federation, Species 8472, etc... technology, and put it in mass production, while the symbiotes infiltrate the Star Trek headquarters (obviously). This is without taking naqahda/naquadruim into effect... see you later, Enterprise

You cant replicate Species 8472, they're organic beings piloting organic ships coming from a different universe known as Fluidic Space. They romped the borg's butts. They can destroy entire planets fairly easily and they are all but invincible.

Also the technology of star trek > that of star wars. Its been establihsed (to my knowledge at least) that the power output of most star wars technologies (besides the death star) is far less than that of star trek. Star trek weapons could rip apart any star wars ship. http://st-v-sw.net/STSWcompare.html

I give it down to star trek to win.

 

[bhsup]

Oopsie, I just re-created the dakara superweapon after shoving my head in an ancient knowledge repository. Oopsie again, I just keyed in the sequence to wipe out species 8472. Oopsie thrice, I just activated the weapon.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

What about the Dune Universe?

Does anyone know what would happen if a Holtzman Shield came in contact with a light saber?

I am pretty sure it would be the same effect as a lasgun.

Also, there were a million trillion people in the Duniverse in the later books. Such a sheer mass could clearly do a lot of damage.

Holtzman shield + lasgun/lightsaber = Atomic Explosion

This would also work against ships, if the Guild Navigators could be prevented from folding space in time to escape. Or if this hypothetical war happened in the time frame of Heretics of Dune or Chapterhouse: Dune, many ships used the Ixian navigation devices instead of Guild Navigators. This would make a shield/laser explosion even easier to accomplish.

And consider another thing: The Bene Gesserit have tens of millennia of Other Memories they can search for knowledge of how to create/deploy weapons of various kinds. However, I would expect that firepower and the psychic manipulations of the Bene Gesserit (ie. Voice) would be most useful.

I notice all the previous posters have mentioned firepower and psychic power; I didn't notice any mention of germ warfare. Germ warfare would more likely be a weapon used in the Star Trek universe, although I would suppose it could be used by any of the major powers.

 

[El_Machinae]

Also the technology of star trek > that of star wars. Its been establihsed (to my knowledge at least) that the power output of most star wars technologies (besides the death star) is far less than that of star trek.

Er, what?
It takes StarTrek entire complements of photon torpedoes to destroy asteroids, remember when the Pegasus was stuck inside an asteroid? The Enterprise would have had trouble blasting it out.

Now compare that to the 'space mines' dropped by Bobba Fett's dad that vapourised huge swaths of asteroids, some of which were quite far away from the explosion source (and thus the power was diluted at the square of the distance).

 

[Yuri2356]

Er, what?
It takes StarTrek entire complements of photon torpedoes to destroy asteroids, remember when the Pegasus was stuck inside an asteroid? The Enterprise would have had trouble blasting it out.

Now compare that to the 'space mines' dropped by Bobba Fett's dad that vapourised huge swaths of asteroids, some of which were quite far away from the explosion source (and thus the power was diluted at the square of the distance).

Not to mention Star Destroyers casually vaporizing rocks in Empire Strikes Back, with little more than their lighter guns.

 

[El_Machinae]

Slave1 was a teeny ship; which is why I emphasised it.

 

[brennan]

Main weapons on Imperial ISDs clearly have far higher energy outputs than Trek weapons. ISDs and similar ships can take constant fire from large numbers of such weapons for sustained periods. By comparison one good shot from a Trek phaser and shields lose several percent of their effectiveness.

Star Wars beats Star Trek. Fairly obviously I think. The apparent primitiveness of SW warfare is due to millennia of improvement. Warfare in the SW universe has gone beyond all that namby-pambying around with phasers and disruptors and found them wanting. SW plumbs for ships that can throw out obscene amounts of energy, and take the same coming in. Vs an ISD a borg cube would barely scratch the deflectors before it's own 'adaptive' shields collapsed under the incoming turbolaser barrage.

 

[nc-1701]

Er, what?
It takes StarTrek entire complements of photon torpedoes to destroy asteroids, remember when the Pegasus was stuck inside an asteroid? The Enterprise would have had trouble blasting it out.

Now compare that to the 'space mines' dropped by Bobba Fett's dad that vapourised huge swaths of asteroids, some of which were quite far away from the explosion source (and thus the power was diluted at the square of the distance).

A few things all Asteroids are not the same. Jango Fett was also in the ring system of a planet blasting itty-bitty rocks. The ones blasted by the Executor (SSD) where not much larger. On the other hand the one the Enterprise was unable to break up was enormous. Remember the Enterprise was atleast 500m long then it flew for several ship leignths so it had to blast through several km of rock. That's a huge differance.

Unfortunatly we hven't seen very many instances of Star Trek weapons being used on Asteroids for comparison. We did however see in "Q Who" the Enterprise vaporized 40% of the mass of a Borg Cube before it adapted it's shields. Remember a Borg Cube has a volume of 3^3km so 27km^3 40% of that is 10.8km^3 of advanced alloy destroyed in a single phaser attack. Me think Star Trek weapons aren't as wimpy as many seem to think. Not to mention that as I said they have a dozens (potentially) of highly mobile planet destroyers that can hit in under 30sec's. There is no defence.

 

[Warman17]

Er, what?
It takes StarTrek entire complements of photon torpedoes to destroy asteroids, remember when the Pegasus was stuck inside an asteroid? The Enterprise would have had trouble blasting it out.

Now compare that to the 'space mines' dropped by Bobba Fett's dad that vapourised huge swaths of asteroids, some of which were quite far away from the explosion source (and thus the power was diluted at the square of the distance).

http://st-v-sw.net/STSWcompare.html

In AoTC, we get to see seismic charges. These are ~1m peculiar tumbling devices which emit a bright flash, followed by a two-dimensional destructive shockwave. The script calls them "sonic charges", as does the novelization half of the time. The operational theory behind these devices is not clear -- sound does not commonly propagate in two dimensions, or in the vacuum of space. In any case, the weapons had an impressive effect against the rocks along the two-dimensional shockwave, producing a great deal of fracturing with traces of molten material at the shockwave-touched fracture lines. Careful scrutiny also shows some dust kicked up off of nearby rocks before the shockwave appears . . . this dust seems to get sucked toward the epicenter before being blown away from it.
The effect of the seismic charges against a vessel (especially shielded) are not known, but the dust-off effect did not seem to affect Obi-Wan's fighter. In open space, simply avoiding the plane of the shockwave would seem to ensure safety.
Weapons of this type or comparable yield have never been seen in use by Republic or Imperial forces.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

NC, the Enterprise may be 500m long, but the Executor is 19km long.

Also, you guys keep mentioning nuclear explosions and what not, that really means nothing like you think it does; the heavy turbolasers on most SW capital ships have a yield measured in megatons, that means each shot they fire is like a nuclear blast.

 

[brennan]

Unfortunatly we hven't seen very many instances of Star Trek weapons being used on Asteroids for comparison. We did however see in "Q Who" the Enterprise vaporized 40% of the mass of a Borg Cube before it adapted it's shields. Remember a Borg Cube has a volume of 3^3km so 27km^3 40% of that is 10.8km^3 of advanced alloy destroyed in a single phaser attack. Me think Star Trek weapons aren't as wimpy as many seem to think. Not to mention that as I said they have a dozens (potentially) of highly mobile planet destroyers that can hit in under 30sec's. There is no defence.

But what is a phaser? Some kind of resonance/disruption technology that does not rely on pure energy output: almost totally ineffective vs SW shielding.

 

[Shaihulud]

Star wars has droids and the capability to build competent robotic armies, i deduce this to mean that their understanding of AI is quite advance. Star Wars has an entire galaxy to construct their war machines, the Force a wild card in any form of encounter, almost like magic. Multiple kind of doomsday weaponry. More alien species of different kind to draw on, diversity and numbers must mean something. Heroes and villians of epic proportions. The Star wars universe seems to be much more advane than the other ones.

 

[Warman17]

NC, the Enterprise may be 500m long, but the Executor is 19km long.

Also, you guys keep mentioning nuclear explosions and what not, that really means nothing like you think it does; the heavy turbolasers on most SW capital ships have a yield measured in megatons, that means each shot they fire is like a nuclear blast.

Once again the SW-ST comaprison site

On SW weapons:

Thus, we can peg those few heaviest shipboard weapons of Star Wars at about 7-10 megatons.

On ST weapons:

And given 100-megaton torpedoes, and the general gist from battle scenes that photon torpedos are 2-5 times more powerful than phasers, 1-10 megaton phasers (~ 4,000 - 40,000 TJ) wouldn't be too difficult to argue for at all. That could be driven up as high as 20-50 megatons (~83 - 209 PJ (1000xTJ)) to keep with the "gist" ratio.

Taken into account that SW shields are completly vunerable to a physical impact; a few photon torpedos could cripple/destroy most SW ships. Also taken into account that battles in ST are fought in the tens-100s of thousands of kms comapred to within a few hundred kms a star trek ship could effectvly destroy SW vessals far before the SW ship could come into range.


Even if a SW ship got in range, we know their weapons are highly inaccurate. ST ships are incredibly fast and manueverable in comparison and could escape most if not all fire.

 

[brennan]

Star wars has droids and the capability to build competent robotic armies,

SW droids couldn't outshoot a ZX81.

 

[Paradigne]

Babylon 5 would destroy them all

 

[nc-1701]

NC, the Enterprise may be 500m long, but the Executor is 19km long.

Also, you guys keep mentioning nuclear explosions and what not, that really means nothing like you think it does; the heavy turbolasers on most SW capital ships have a yield measured in megatons, that means each shot they fire is like a nuclear blast.

Cheezy, my point was that the Asteroid the Enteprise was in was of extreme size. Also there are a mere 5 SSD's 6-7 if you count the books. There are tens of thousends of Cube/Bio-ships.

A photon torpedo has a given yield of 100megatons. Or equal to a SW ISDs turbolaser battery. Phasers have yields of several megatons as well. while I admit the Federation is badly out gunned they could put up a fight. Not to mention that ST has Trans-phasic cloaking technology, and transporters.


Besides I haven't seen anyone even try to refute the fact that Species 8472 could wipe out all of your planets in a few hours at most. Unless you raised planetary shields which prevent anything from getting in or out. I effect a total blockade.