Iran Vs UK

[steveedster]

The reason they didnt fire on the Iranians and got caught is all down to 'rules of engagement'. The fact that they only had 2 small boats with light arms and would probably have been killed easily by 6 patrol boats which could outrun and outgun them.

I feel that if this comes to any military action the RAF would probably target Irans Navy in some way so this could not happen again. However I will be very suprised if they do this before they get the hostages back.

Today is going to be very interesting on this, keep an eye on the news.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

You say that but the SAS's track record is unparalleled, it wouldn't be the first time they've done this. I think it's not beyond the realms of possibility, and it's certainly not as stupid an option as war, or overt military attacks.

Which is probably why the Iranians are being cagey about telling us exactly where the men are.

But then I think this will be resolved after a bit of sabre rattling anyway.

I agree. Eventually everyone will calm down and the men released. Sooner rather than later hopefully.

I suppose 'Trident' doesn't look like a waste of cash anymore now?

 

[Winner]

Stay real people, no invasion is going to happen, not in the next few months and certainly not a British-only one.

I can imagine some SAS rescue mission, if Iran decided to play rough, but I doubt it will go so far. I think Iran will hand over the sailors soon.

 

[steveedster]

Stay real people, no invasion is going to happen, not in the next few months and certainly not a British-only one.

I can imagine some SAS rescue mission, if Iran decided to play rough, but I doubt it will go so far. I think Iran will hand over the sailors soon.

this isnt meant to 'be real' please read through the thread.

 

[Winner]

this isnt meant to 'be real' please read through the thread.

Oh, OK, so am I supposed to bring up some crap about James Bond or Iranians swimming to UK to invade it?

There is absolutely no way these two countries could invade each other. It is possible for the UK to execute few airstrikes against Iran and send in some special forces on a high-risk operation, but that's it. Military confrontation is very unlikely, both because the UK doesn't have anything that could hurt Iran really bad and because the UK doesn't have the guts to do it.

 

[Winner]

He [The Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mohammad Ali Hosseini] said Iranian interrogators were treating the 15 Britons in a "humane, Islamic and respectful" manner. But he said that the British Embassy would be able to contact them "only after the preliminary investigations are complete."

... poor sailors. Koran is very specific about what to do with unbelievers...

 

[Princeps]

... poor sailors. Koran is very specific about what to do with unbelievers...

Yes they are to be protected if they live under Muslim rule. But these are not just common non-believers, these are aggressors, foreign soldiers who invade Muslim lands.

 

[nivi]

Yes they are to be protected if they live under Muslim rule. But these are not just common non-believers, these are aggressors, foreign soldiers who invade Muslim lands.

But they don't, so you'r point is? They should live under muslim rule?

 

[steveedster]

Oh, OK, so am I supposed to bring up some crap about James Bond or Iranians swimming to UK to invade it?

There is absolutely no way these two countries could invade each other. It is possible for the UK to execute few airstrikes against Iran and send in some special forces on a high-risk operation, but that's it. Military confrontation is very unlikely, both because the UK doesn't have anything that could hurt Iran really bad and because the UK doesn't have the guts to do it.

I think you will find the UK DOES have a lot of weapons that can 'hurt' Iran.

Also this is a just a 'fun' thread about which armed forces would win. dont take it too seriously.

 

[Winner]

Yes they are to be protected if they live under Muslim rule. But these are not just common non-believers, these are aggressors, foreign soldiers who invade Muslim lands.

You know, Lenin would call you an "useful idiot". No offense, but he'd be right.

 

[Winner]

I think you will find the UK DOES have a lot of weapons that can 'hurt' Iran.

Also this is a just a 'fun' thread about which armed forces would win. dont take it too seriously.

Really? Tell me, what (besides nuclear weapons of course) does the UK has what could bring Iran to its knees?

 

[Verbose]

Here's one of these nifty little tools someone posted on the CFC a looong time ago.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries_comparison.asp

 

[steveedster]

Really? Tell me, what (besides nuclear weapons of course) does the UK has what could bring Iran to its knees?

Well the UK would have air superiority and control of the sea, so yes, there isnt much more really is there?

 

[TrailblazingScot]

An SAS raid would be totally insane, massive loss of prestige if it fails and the loss of life unacceptable.

The Iranians will soon get bored of this.

In a firefight UK vs Iran? We've beaten them at least twice before in War, 3rd time is a charm and we can always fall back on Trident if we're lazy.

 

[sabo]

I'm sure Israel would jump at the chance to invade Iran.

With the U.K. comes Canada and Australia.

And the U.S. I"m afraid, I don't think the U.S. will stay out of a major conflict that the U.K. is into. And the U.K. usually gets involved in a U.S. conflict. It's been that way since WW I

 

[El Justo]

the US doesn't necessarily jump into the fray w/ the UK automatically. see the falklands, the suez crisis, and even the malaysian conflict in the 50s.

the same can be said for the UK not committing to vietnam despite several pleas early on by the kennedy admin.

however, if i were to guess as to what the US would do should iran initiate something against the UK in the wake of the latest scrum...i'd say that we'd probably get on board unfortunately. but it is very subjective to say the least...

 

[Gogf]

Iran's military would be completely dismantled in relatively short order. But let's not talk about unrealistic situations. The US would, at the very least, provide air support and air strikes. Overwhelming allied air power would utterly destroy Iran's ability to govern and fight very quickly. However, despite the fact that Iran's government would be rendered almost useless, actually occupying the country would be very difficult. Britain's military is relatively small compared to America's, and, as Iraq showed, an awful lot of troops are needed to occupy a nation. If other nations were willing to help in the occupation, though, I don't think it would be that tough.

 

[Princeps]

But they don't, so you'r point is? They should live under muslim rule?

No. I simply said that there is no just "kill" or "convert" unbelievers, like Winner likely implied.

You know, Lenin would call you an "useful idiot". No offense, but he'd be right.

Well actually, Lenin would probably be keen to agree with me-- United States and Great Britain are the invaders and aggressors here.

The US would, at the very least, provide air support and air strikes.

United States has been waiting for an oppoturnity like this for a long time. US surrounds Iran and is waiting to move in and take Iran back into American imperial fold. There will be constant black-painting from the Americans and Israel/MEMRI to justify a conquest of Iran, and cases like this, where the allies were the likely violaters, will be used to make Iran appear "aggressive". As I said, hitler would've been proud of the propaganda machine we have in place, and he would've undoubtly used something similar against Poland.

 

[skadistic]

No. I simply said that there is no just "kill" or "convert" unbelievers, like Winner likely implied.



Well actually, Lenin would probably be keen to agree with me-- United States and Great Britain are the invaders and aggressors here.

What exactly were the aggresive actions taken towards Iran? And when did they invade Iran?

 

[Princeps]

What exactly were the aggresive actions taken towards Iran?

Haven't you heard of operation Ajax? For example. Also, the US semi-lapdog Israel funds anti-government forces inside Iran. United States surrounds Iran from east, west, north and the sea... US has invaded soverign states surrounding Iran, US constantly fabricates lies about Iran, US constantly black-paints and bullies Iran, while the US president himself declares Iran evil. If you see no American aggression, you are blind sir.

And when did they invade Iran?

United States invaded the sovereign states of Iraq and Afghanistan, both of which are surrounding Iran. Wouldn't you be worried if Russia would (hypothetically of course) suddenly invade Canada and Mexico and move its entire fleet to the east and west coast of US, and then, Putin would come out and declare United States evil, after which Putin would interfene with American domestic decisions.

Also, US does what Iran is blamed of here. US doesn't parade the people it kidnaps around the TV. US kidnaps people from all over the world, fly them to some other country with a terrible human right record and torture them. US holds them without trial for indefinite periods. Who's worse again?