Irony, thou art named...

[bathsheba666]

As a matter of interest, when was the last Israeli little girl blown up on her way to school ?

In other parts of the world, what is the established correlation between ICC involvement and infant death ?

 

[JollyRoger]

Why blow up a little girl on her way to school when you can do like the Israelis and blow her up while she is inside the school?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Why blow up a little girl on her way to school when you can do like the Israelis and blow her up while she is inside the school?

Home run.

 

[Kozmos]

It's simpler yet to blow up all the schools so they don't have anywhere to go therefore minimizing casualties in the long run.

 

[ParkCungHee]

This has April fools written all over it.



Why are the Palestinians worse off than the Israelis? You hardly see Israelis resenting the Palestinians, yet nearly every Palestinian resents the Israelis. What I see are not Israelis oppressing Palestinians, but Israelis outperforming Palestinians, economically, culturally and technologically.

This glorification of the Palestinian cause among Western academia is culturally toxic for the West, in the same way it already poisoned the Arab world. It gives a signal that it good for nations to be self-righteous, self-pitying and blame other nations that are in a fundamentally better position for their own situation, when they in fact do have the power to advance, as long as they respect other nations that manage to do better for themselves.

This is what is fundamentally lacking among the Palestinians, who seem to be driven by jealousy for Israel's achievements, and the consequences of which are that they are put in a state of perpetual ruin. Had the Palestinians shown industriousness instead of resentment, they could have created a very wealthy state with a great degree of autonomy, in spite of Israel's military dominance.

Well, the Israelis should show a good sportsman like mentality and accept the judgement of the international community against them. There's no use resenting the Palestinians for being cleverer, seeing the big picture, and outplaying the Israelis.

Had the Israelis shown intelligence rather than brutishness they could have ensured the goodwill of the international community with a good deal of security in spite of Palestine's sympathizers.

This glorification of the Israeli cause among Western academia is culturally toxic for the West, in the same way it already poisoned the Jewish world. It gives a signal that it good for nations to be self-righteous, self-pitying and blame other nations that are in a fundamentally better position for their own situation, when they in fact do have the power to advance, as long as they respect other nations that manage to do better for themselves.

 

[classical_hero]

Why blow up a little girl on her way to school when you can do like the Israelis and blow her up while she is inside the school?

It's not like weapons were ever found in schools.

 

[Tahuti]

Well, the Israelis should show a good sportsman like mentality and accept the judgement of the international community against them. There's no use resenting the Palestinians for being cleverer, seeing the big picture, and outplaying the Israelis.

Had the Israelis shown intelligence rather than brutishness they could have ensured the goodwill of the international community with a good deal of security in spite of Palestine's sympathizers.

This glorification of the Israeli cause among Western academia is culturally toxic for the West, in the same way it already poisoned the Jewish world. It gives a signal that it good for nations to be self-righteous, self-pitying and blame other nations that are in a fundamentally better position for their own situation, when they in fact do have the power to advance, as long as they respect other nations that manage to do better for themselves.

I saw what you did there.

Honestly, I tried to think the same though it simply doesn't work that way. The thing is, the Palestinians seem to be hellbent to make the Israelis into Palestinians, to reduce them to their own level, rather than attempt to be a match for the Israelis.

Israel does not seek to rely on the pity of others. Thus, they play to win. The Palestinians play to lose and see the fact that the majority of deaths are Palestinian as a vindication of their position, rather than a sign that maybe they should change course, like the Israelis would if they were in the shoes of the Palestinians when this is in fact a matter of incompetence by choice. And so the majority of the world will approve of the Palestinians, because they present the easiest and also laziest way out of any conflict by refusing to concede defeat. Though that's the very problem: The Palestinians and their sympathisers operate on a form of herd morality, as they seek the approval of the international community rather than their own sense of self-worth.

Besides, you cannot possibly claim the Palestinians are better off than the Israelis. They aren't and they themselves have made it that way.

 

[bathsheba666]

I saw what you did there.

Honestly, I tried to think the same though it simply doesn't work that way. The thing is, the Palestinians seem to be hellbent to make the Israelis into Palestinians, to reduce them to their own level, rather than attempt to be a match for the Israelis.

Israel does not seek to rely on the pity of others. Thus, they play to win. The Palestinians play to lose and see the fact that the majority of deaths are Palestinian as a vindication of their position, rather than a sign that maybe they should change course, like the Israelis would if they were in the shoes of the Palestinians when this is in fact a matter of incompetence by choice. And so the majority of the world will approve of the Palestinians, because they present the easiest and also laziest way out of any conflict by refusing to concede defeat. Though that's the very problem: The Palestinians and their sympathisers operate on a form of herd morality, as they seek the approval of the international community rather than their own sense of self-worth.

Besides, you cannot possibly claim the Palestinians are better off than the Israelis. They aren't and they themselves have made it that way.

The 'the same' was superfluous.

 

[Tahuti]

The 'the same' was superfluous.

No. I'm damn honest here. Before I posted the thing PCH quoted, I did in fact try to swap Israelis for Palestinians as PCH did and in the end, I had trouble picturing it. Of course, it may all boil down to myself being unable to, though you are free to convince me that they do not have any fundamental differences in the values they hold.

 

[Traitorfish]

I saw what you did there.

Honestly, I tried to think the same though it simply doesn't work that way. The thing is, the Palestinians seem to be hellbent to make the Israelis into Palestinians, to reduce them to their own level, rather than attempt to be a match for the Israelis.

Israel does not seek to rely on the pity of others. Thus, they play to win. The Palestinians play to lose and see the fact that the majority of deaths are Palestinian as a vindication of their position, rather than a sign that maybe they should change course, like the Israelis would if they were in the shoes of the Palestinians when this is in fact a matter of incompetence by choice. And so the majority of the world will approve of the Palestinians, because they present the easiest and also laziest way out of any conflict by refusing to concede defeat. Though that's the very problem: The Palestinians and their sympathisers operate on a form of herd morality, as they seek the approval of the international community rather than their own sense of self-worth.

Besides, you cannot possibly claim the Palestinians are better off than the Israelis. They aren't and they themselves have made it that way.

It raises an eyebrow, I've got to say, that you spout all this Nietzschean stuff about "herd morality", but then unquestioningly accept "the Israelis" and "the Palestinians" as collective entities, as super-individual moral agents. Something in that, it just doesn't square up like it should.

 

[Tahuti]

It raises an eyebrow, I've got to say, that you spout all this Nietzschean stuff about "herd morality", but then unquestioningly accept "the Israelis" and "the Palestinians" as collective entities, as super-individual moral agents. Something in that, it just doesn't square up like it should.

Well, I acknolewdge it is all oversimplified. And there are certainly Israelis who use self-pity about the holocaust as a justification for what they believe, which is something I utterly disrespect. However, I do believe the Israeli-Palestinian is a moral ideological test of sorts. The Israeli position is a minority position, and having the courage to defend it before an overwhelmingly Pro-Palestinian public is worth respect in its own right.

I'm not trying to pile Israelis and Palestinians into heap. However, I do think my wording is fair when put in the context of cultural criticism. I sincerely believe that political supporting Palestine opens the door for Palestinian cultural influence, which I find - as you may have deduced from my posts in this thread - corrosive. Actually, I do in fact believe that if Palestinians were to take serious what I have to say, it may actually significantly improve Palestinian society as well. Of course, the decision to do that or not is completely their business. If it is ruin they want, then it is not Israel's fault, or anyone's for that matter.

Israel (and Russia too) have a superior interpretation of Western values, because at large they do not hate their enemies to the extent their enemies do hate them, and are wholly indifferent to them. To put it in simpler words, they shrug everything off and are not timid or afraid of conflict. If you are lucky to live in a country like that, your life actually has meaning. Yet Western civilisation is pretty much doomed if these values will only be limited to Russia and Israel and these values do not return to all of Europe. The US is especially weak and decadent when you compare it to Russia or Israel.

Although I'm beginning to realise I'm moving outside the scope of this thread.

 

[Traitorfish]

You wouldn't think, from this grand contemplation of manly virtues, that we were talking about human lives.

 

[Kyriakos]

Why blow up a little girl on her way to school when you can do like the Israelis and blow her up while she is inside the school?

Link to video.

 

[Kozmos]

Well, I acknolewdge it is all oversimplified. And there are certainly Israelis who use self-pity about the holocaust as a justification for what they believe, which is something I utterly disrespect. However, I do believe the Israeli-Palestinian is a moral ideological test of sorts. The Israeli position is a minority position, and having the courage to defend it before an overwhelmingly Pro-Palestinian public is worth respect in its own right.

I'm not trying to pile Israelis and Palestinians into heap. However, I do think my wording is fair when put in the context of cultural criticism. I sincerely believe that political supporting Palestine opens the door for Palestinian cultural influence, which I find - as you may have deduced from my posts in this thread - corrosive. Actually, I do in fact believe that if Palestinians were to take serious what I have to say, it may actually significantly improve Palestinian society as well. Of course, the decision to do that or not is completely their business. If it is ruin they want, then it is not Israel's fault, or anyone's for that matter.

Israel (and Russia too) have a superior interpretation of Western values, because at large they do not hate their enemies to the extent their enemies do hate them, and are wholly indifferent to them. To put it in simpler words, they shrug everything off and are not timid or afraid of conflict. If you are lucky to live in a country like that, your life actually has meaning. Yet Western civilisation is pretty much doomed if these values will only be limited to Russia and Israel and these values do not return to all of Europe. The US is especially weak and decadent when you compare it to Russia or Israel.

Although I'm beginning to realise I'm moving outside the scope of this thread.

I don't see why defending a minority position should be considered praise worthy. Especially if it includes a patently dumb pattern of behaviour.

Russia and Israel have the slave mentality in relation to everyone else. Well runaway slave mentality to be more correct. Spartacai.

 

[Tahuti]

You wouldn't think, from this grand contemplation of manly virtues, that we were talking about human lives.

Talking about simply preserving lives is just plain materialism, not unlike greed for wealth. And giving people nothing more but mere security, freedom and equality is meaningless claptrap. It is tantamount into turning humans into cattle and buying into this line of thought - as your professed ideology of Anarcho-Communism attempts to do with you - is essentially suicide of the mind. You are probably much smarter than that.

I don't see why defending a minority position should be considered praise worthy. Especially if it includes a patently dumb pattern of behaviour.

The majority position in this case is motivated by spite and jealousy to those who hold the minority position. So in this case, it is praiseworthy.

Russia and Israel have the slave mentality in relation to everyone else. Well runaway slave mentality to be more correct. Spartacai.

The problem is that many individual Russians and Israelis fall into the cult of human rights (read: domestication) when defending their country's position which is indeed a major contradiction. It can be resolved both ways. Either they turn against their country and become traitors or they shrug the enslavement of their minds completely away from them. If the latter happens, everything can fall into the right place eventually. If the former happens, then we will all stave off to extinction, mentally if not physically.

 

[Traitorfish]

Talking about simply preserving lives is just plain materialism, not unlike greed for wealth.

are you even a real person.

 

[gay_Aleks]

I can't help it, but to feel that there's some sort of an April Fools prank going on.

 

[Tahuti]

are you even a real person.

Yes. I may have a bad conscience though those with a good conscience have no conscience at all.

I can't help it, but to feel that there's some sort of an April Fools prank going on.

Humanity was created as April Fools prank, so... definitely!

Thing is, for me, human existence has become insufferable. Unless you relativise humanity completely, as if it were an April Fools joke. Then it becomes quite fun!

 

[Kozmos]

The majority position in this case is motivated by spite and jealousy to those who hold the minority position. So in this case, it is praiseworthy.

I don't think anyone views bullying smaller people as something extra hard and courageous. You seem to have a mindset from the 1930s.

The problem is that many individual Russians and Israelis fall into the cult of human rights (read: domestication) when defending their country's position which is indeed a major contradiction. It can be resolved both ways. Either they turn against their country and become traitors or they shrug the enslavement of their minds completely away from them. If the latter happens, everything can fall into the right place eventually. If the former happens, then we will all stave off to extinction, mentally if not physically.

From that I guess you are the might makes right type. Which is fine I guess if you were living in a post-apocalypse but I find the whole nation state manner of thinking entirely outdated.

 

[Phrossack]

KG strongly reminds me of Caesar from Fallout: New Vegas, except that he's not a charismatic warlord.