Is Communism dead?

[Headline]

Communism is the biggest lie in the last century.

1. It claims to end the class struggle

Truth: The proletariats still don't have the power. The elites now become the ruling class.

2. It claims to be for the proletariat

Truth: The elites abuse the power even more for themselves.

3. It claims to be ruled by the proletariat

Truth: The elites don't want to give up the power. That is why there is a dictatorship of few or one.

4. It claims to be owned by the proletariat

Truth: We all know that a group of elites own the society. They can make whatever decision they want without any consent from the proletariats

5. It claims to be the best economic system

Truth: Not even close. Central planning and command economy and collectizations have proven to be the exact opposite of working economic model. The denial of private of ownership does exactly the opposite of self driven motivation.

6. It claims it is better to be the same

Truth: Communism suppress individuality, which is what makes the modern age flourish. Ever since the Renaissance, individuality has driven human inventions and ideas. People have been encouraged to think differently and to be different. Communism wants everyone to be the same. That is exactly the opposite for the trend that has been going on for 500 years.

7. It claims by limiting competition, the world would be better

Truth: Every communist nation deny the opinions of other people who think differently. Only one party can rule the nation. As the result, there is no competition for anything, and there won't be any improvement coming from a monopoly.

8. It claims that the human rights should be denied for the benefit of the society.

Truth: Human rights provide protections for people, so they can be free and do what they wanted without any restriction. Society can be more efficient, sincere and truthful. That, in term, benefits the society.

9. It claims to bury capitalism.

Truth: Never. Communism and utopia will never be achieved.


Communism is dead. The experiment ended in 1992. We'll should forget about this flawed theory just like we forgot that Earth was the center of universe.

 

[Communisto]

9. It claims to bury capitalism.

Truth: Never. Communism and utopia will never be achieved.

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Though I agree that Communism failed, and is useless.

This question confuses me

How can it bury Capitalism if Capitalism is alive and evil today? Capitalism doesn't work any more than Communism does.

 

[CurtSibling]

Is Communism dead?

I certainly hope so.

Although it is more like a zombie in this age...

 

[frekk]

I was watching on the new today that there are riots in Nepal because the king took absolute power, because, he said, the communist rebellion was out of control. I would imagine then, that alot of the rioters are communist rebels.

BBC story on the riots here.

If they're still in the news, I'd say they aren't dead yet.

 

[FredLC]

Gosh, this topic again.

I won't debate another time what theoretical communism/socialism is, or the blurred freak between the two (tempered by dictatorship and murdering ideals) that happened in real world. People have their minds pretty much made on the issue.

I just like to point out that, unlike some people seens to think, saying "communism is against human nature" is not the conclusive argument that it looks like. Capitalism (or the fac-símile of capitalism we live in) is as much "against human nature" as communism.

Just take away "force" from equation (erradicate punishments), and see how many times people will actually pay their debts, respect their contracts and keep their sleezy fingers of you cherished property. You'll realize that it will NOT work for society building.

The only true difference betwen the two is the degree of success in the enforcement of the necessary cohercion. It's easier to enforce honesty (or lack of thievery may be a better description) than effort.

Newfangle:

Your recent shift of views is a wise one, dude. Can you now acnowledge some value in social programs, even if only to benefit the contributing individuals by keeping the masses away from their doorsteps?

Regards .

 

[ComradeDavo]

Marxism is dead. It has no place in the modern world. It was written in the 1860's! The world has changed much since then, in ways that Marx could never imagine.

Communism as a whole - well the idea of it can never 'die' as such, if you take it to mean 'from each according to their ability, to each according to their need' rather than any of the corrupted forms put forward by the likes of Lenin and Mao.

Certainally those 2 mantra's are no longer applicable to this world, and what with modern communication, counter intelligence and alike they could never be acted out in the majority of this world's nations, though it is possiable in a few of the world's poorer countries (i'm talking about the whole revolutionairy aspect of it).

Of course, most people (including those here on CFC) idea of communism is that presented by Lenin, thus looking at it from that aspect it is dead.

 

[frekk]

Marxism is dead. It has no place in the modern world. It was written in the 1860's!

I wouldn't say so. Good discussion at economist.com on the subject. One must also remember that the American constitution was written a hundred years before that, Adam Smith was writing even earlier, etc etc, and all these ideas still have currency today, so I wouldn't dismiss it just because "it was written in the 1860s".

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

Hello, everyone. In the XIX century we saw the invention of a new ideology, called Communism, by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Since then, there were various revolutions around the globe trying to make the countries follow this utopic philosophy, but all the economic and ideologic structure of the marxist theories failed to exist in Russia for too much time, and now the planned and igualitarian economic model of the communist doctrine has been abandoned. So, do you think this is the end of this ideology? After inspiring so many people to fight, is the whole marxist theory dead forever? Or will it reborn somewhere in the world, this time stronger and improved, and be succesful?

For what reason do you believe Communism failed in the Cold War?

Communism is dying if it isn't dead already, and this is inevitable. Communism suggested that every person receive fair compensation for fair work, but didn't elaborate on how this compensation or work was to be dispensed. As a result, this fell upon the central government, which became an economic central planner for its own benefit, rather than for the people; as it had no accountability. This is why nearly ever communist state descended into a totalitarian regime, even though Marx's original plan was a democratic state. Also, since the state planned the economy, it had no vested interest in making it viable, only in keeping the state's interest in mind. This resulted in stupid plans that jeopardized the state treasury, and made it uncompetitive with capitalist states.

 

[newfangle]

Newfangle:

Your recent shift of views is a wise one, dude. Can you now acnowledge some value in social programs, even if only to benefit the contributing individuals by keeping the masses away from their doorsteps?

Regards .

Given current modern society, it would simply be irrational to deny the value of social programs (I thought this even in my more extreme days). But they should be greatly reduced in size (and complexity) in order for the ideal of a social democracy to survive. It's just not sustainable, espically for a country as large as, say, the US.

 

[BasketCase]

Communism suggested that every person receive fair compensation for fair work, but didn't elaborate on how this compensation or work was to be dispensed.

A related problem is that people tend to disagree on exactly what counts as "fair compensation". In the end, as with any nation, a single person or a small group (say, a President, or a Congress, or a dictator) must make that decision for the nation as a whole--meaning some will always have someone else's values imposed on them against their will.

 

[Joeb WK]

As much as I hate communism and as much as It may sound as though I am takling out my arse have you ever thought that an alien race studying earth could take communism and succesfully apply it to there world.

 

[Commy]

Communist ideas are evolutioning: http://nbp-info.ru/eng.html

 

[Communisto]

Communist ideas are evolutioning: http://nbp-info.ru/eng.html

you mean evolving?

 

[newfangle]

Slapping a coat of paint on a rotten shed won't save it.

 

[Communisto]

agreed

(filler)

 

[Commy]

Yes, evolving will be more correctly (sorry for bad English ) )