Is there a lack of Native American and African wonders?

[Cannae]

Sorry I messed up on the last one by not putting the poll in.Do you think that their is a HUGElack of Native American and African Wonders and if so please give me some wonder ideas from Africa and Pre-European American wonders (I am talking abought al of the Americans inculeding N america S america and Central america)

 

[Impaler[WrG]]

I cant think of any possible Native American wonders except Meso-American Cities being built in interesting places (MachuPicu high in the mountains, Tenotchtilan on a lake). Theirs also the Nazka Lines but its hard to imagine what it would give you, perhaps some kind of religion based bonus like faster religion spread?

African Wonders all I can think of is Great Zimbabwe which I have only a vauge knowlage of its a massive stone fortress City in you guessed it Zimbabwe.

 

[Cannae]

Do you concider the great Serpent burial mound in Ohio and for Africa I think that where humans first eveolved(If you belive in that sutff whitch I do) or where the bones the Ausreliea Picithus (sorry for my spelling) or "Lucy" as it was named.

 

[Impaler[WrG]]

Oldivi Gorge was its name I think, I dont realy consider that a wonder because its not "made" by Humans and realy is't African in a sense that it has no connection to African culture (atleast no more then it has to any other Human culture).

I have heard of these mounds you mentioned though I think equily impressive ones have been in England, its also not realy very impressive or "Wonderous" of a wonder after all. Even the first wonder in the game StoneHenge is atleast composed of realy big rocks. And in that same line of though perhaps Easter Island statues would make a good Wonder, probably asosiated with some kind of Naval bonus. Its atleast reflects a non-western group which seems to be the goal here.

 

[Cannae]

The Oldivi Gorge would be not as much an a achivement but a dicovery of our oldest ancesters of the human lineage.The Easter Island staue I think that is a Great idea!!! The serpent bueral mound I thnk that a regular burial mound could be a bullding that would be a begining of the game culteure spreader along with the obilesk.The Great srepent mound could make these mound produce culture twice as fast than with out it.the bural monuds could be VERY useful in a ancent Eurpoe,Native Ameriacan or any other mod that take place with in the stone age.any more ideas???

 

[Cannae]

The easter island statue (or Mau i think) could give insted of a naval bouns it could be bulight after constction is discovered and and give building and
construction bouns to reprsent the labor it took to build it.Oh yah an african wonder(this one is kind of ifiy oh yah sorry for my spelling) is Mansu Masa's voyage to Mecca of some Famous Egypitan tombs of king and queens but these are just thoughts plese tell me if these ideas are dumb or you could give me more ideas it would be helpful.

 

[Wyz_sub10]

The easter island statue (or Mau i think) could give insted of a naval bouns it could be bulight after constction is discovered

You could also have "Ghost Dance" (as a national wonder), or something collective like the Haida totem poles or Inuit inukshuk.

There are certainly options. Right now I'm playing with adding buildings and wonders. Once I get that down, I might add some for First Peoples.

 

[Cannae]

the nazca lines could give a agricultural or a incresed imporovement build time or get a culture bonus in your largest cities at the time.

 

[Cannae]

Hey I rember totem poles!!!Thoses could be someting like the obilesks and the Ghost Dance could eateir produce two simly faces for evrey citiy that you have or I could give a bonus movement to calavry(I do not know much abought it so I am guessing for the secound one)eather way the wonder should be avlabal when you researche the tech Nationalism

 

[ice2k4]

Well, firstly, let's differientiate between Northern-Africa (pro-domanently Muslim, closely related to Europe and the Middle East) and Sub-Saharan Africa (pro-dominanently Christian converted and tribal.) I think there is a lack of North African wonders in the game. I don't think there is much Sub-Saharan Africa did that we are aware of, that would be considered a wonder.

Let's also make a second differentiation. When you speak of Native American, I assume you mean civilized Native America (which was basically anything Mexico and south.) North of Mexico (North America) the indians were constantly moving with food, so built no wonders, becuase they built no cities.

Native American (South America, civilized) to me faces an even worse problem than Sub-Saharan Africa. There not even around today. They didn't have a written language, so we don't know what they did. As a matter of fact, we don't even know what their language was. They may of had wonders in ancient times, that weren't around by the time good ol' Columbus wiped 'em out. Since they didn't bother to write anything down, we don't know what there wonders were. And when Europe landed in South America, anything we today consider a wonder, they wouldn't have becasue they wouldn't be able to tell how long ago it was built. And nothing was a wonder in South America from 1492-1700 (in Europe's point of view) because the Europeans were so technologically advanced compared to them, everything they had was obsolete.

 

[Dual]

I'd love seeing more Native American wonders myself.

A good one is Monk's Mound (of the Cahokia Mounds). It's the largest of the mounds in America, and may have had some kind of religious significance.

I live fairly close to the mounds and have been up on top of it, and it's pretty impressive considering that it was built by hand.

 

[Cannae]

Well First I have to tell you that that their are still lauguges that native in south amreica in fact the Incan language Quequea (it is spelled someting like that ) has 7 MILLION speakers TODAY!!! What I meant when I said Native America I meant ALL all of the Americas and besides the idea of being "Civalized" dose NOT exsit and is degradeing.Ok let me tell you somthing that you may or may not know that is the Natives manged to be able to farm in Rainforests yet we STILL can NOT do it to even today.The native not haveing metals???that is dumb the Incans knew how to work with Bronze and make them into wepons.If the Natives are so "primitive" why did the Inuets and Eskomo's manage to survive in Greenland. When the more "civalized" and "adnavanced" Norsemen tryied to Colinize Greenland they failed.

I want you to think abought these things before you label a group of people "primtive"

 

[Cannae]

sorry I am talking to ice2k4 so anyone esle this does not apply to you

 

[Impaler[WrG]]

From your link it seems these Mounds are also refered to as "Cahokia Mounds" which sounds like a much better name to me. This looks like the best Candidate for a Wonder north of the Rio Grand. Effect is probably going to be religion or culture related but it needs to be destinct enough to not just be a replication of StoneHenge. Positioning it later in the Tech Tree at Calender seems like a good idea.

A totem pole seems more like something that should be a building in my opinion.

Here is the Wiki on Great Zimbabwa, I think its the best candidate for a sub-saharan Wonder. I have no idea what its effects might be as it seems most of the obvous stuff like defence bonus are already taken (and we know GreatWall of China is going to be in the Expantion), the next best thing would be trade related bonus as its belived it was the center of a vast trade network. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe

Slavic: You know you can Edit posts with that little Edit button rather then make all these 1 sentence replies, just like I did right here!

 

[Cannae]

Monk's Mound that is a good idea, please come up with more ideas when you think of them It would it would be helpful if you could come up with more ideas

thank you

 

[Cannae]

Thank you for giveing me imput on wonders that should have been added a LONG time ago

 

[Cannae]

Some Modern African wonders could be (these one's are somewhat ifiy)

1 Moument of the Rwanda Massacre to remind people of sorrows of the Genicide

2 Fesitival in the Desert a huge gathering of Tuaregs to the desert where they could lision to electric\Tridiatanal African music it (could be like the African version with similar effects as Broadway)

Please tell me more requsts you have
It would be helpful

Here is what the requsets are so far

Wonders
Great Zimbabwe
Serpent burial mound
The Oldivi Gorge
Mau
Ghost Dance
Haida totem poles
Inuit Inukshuk
Nazca Lines
Cahokia Mounds
Wiki

Buildings
burial mound
totem poles

 

[Impaler[WrG]]

*Urgently point at note to Slavic in last post, its basic forum eticat*

 

[chef pablo]

ummm,to whoever said northamerican tribes were nomadic check out the choctaw,creek,iroquoi,mohawk,siminole,nezpierce and any other tribe that were not planes indians like the kansas or kaw.
as for an american wonder for trade you could do something out of tical(the center of trade for the maya).the serpent temple in chitchen itza would be excelent for the tech calander ,improve farm output maybee
AS for north america ,sorry guys there just isnt much that stands out,the anasazi did cliff dwellings basicly for the same reason that china built the wall, that could come out in pottery,adds defensive bonuses.
Africa i have no idea,btw sapiens did not come from africa but from asia minor.

 

[yellowhorse]

How about the Pyramid of the Sun, the Pyramid of the Moon, Pyramid of the Feathered Serpent, and how about the Aztec Sun Stone. Most of this deal with religious stuff, so maybe bonus to that and happiness and other things. Maybe science bonus or something for the Aztec sun stone. Those are some of the wonders i can think of.