Is this map possible on Immortal?

[Zaddy]

I rolled this start in early 2020 and have had it stored away for a while. I don't remember the mapscript used to make the map (maybe Tectonics???? don't know if there's a good way to find out) but this start seemed okay...

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I rolled this as Immortal, Roosevelt. Decided this would be a decent GLH game.

Unfortunately, a few turns later I discovered a problem:

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This is *all* the land available to you pre-Astro.

I've no idea if this map is even possible on Immortal/Diety, but I figured I'd post for anyone insane enough to try.

 

[Zaddy]

For whatever it's worth, here was my strategy:

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SIP, tech to BW. Settle New York in the obvious spot. Tech to Oracle, chop out Oracle, grab Metal Casting. Build Colossus. Tech Monarchy for happiness. Tech to Optics and double-bulb Astro. I got Astro ~1000 AD. Optics/Astro was a monopoly tech when I contacted the other continents.

And my thoughts for the future:

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No way I can tech to cannons in a reasonable time - seems like the only hope is Maces + Trebs? Mansa vassaled Hammy through war and seems likely to run away with the game with lots of wonders. Super high sea level means all civs are under 6 cities and most have 2-4. Monty is below me in score which is hilarious. Could attack Monty or Pericles after whipping out a Mace+Treb army, but going to hard to build it given only three cities... I want to take on Mansa but don't think I have the power base for it. Tech situation isn't too bad honestly, although have to be careful with WFYABTA.

Live look at my """"empire"""":

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Engineering was bulbed with a GEngineer, Civil Service traded for. Flipping to Vassalage. Only thing left to do is whip out an army.

 

[6K Man]

Perhaps a dumb question, but could you access the land visible on the lower left by settling New York on the spices and 1 border pop?

 

[Zaddy]

Perhaps a dumb question, but could you access the land visible on the lower left by settling New York on the spices and 1 border pop?

I don't think so, and besides, there's no resources on that island so it's pretty useless. I guess you could work Colossus coast but meh... you'd have to kill the fish to the right to do it too.

One thing I found is that health + the need to work specialists meant it was hard to get much value out of the Colossus tbh.

 

[sampsa]

I could give it a go, if someone makes a world builder save on T0. I won't play on BAT. Looking at the numbers of AI cities post-1000AD I can promise you it is possible to win, probably from your position too.

It's probably tectonics, which is a horrible map script from what I've seen.

 

[Zaddy]

I could give it a go, if someone makes a world builder save on T0. I won't play on BAT. Looking at the numbers of AI cities post-1000AD I can promise you it is possible to win, probably from your position too.

It's probably tectonics, which is a horrible map script from what I've seen.

I think this is what you need? My apologies if not.

But you're right, I was too worried about the AI because I was expecting normal tech rates from the AI not factoring in the really small amount of land making it way slower + less room for unit production. I wiped out Greece with Maces + Trebs and took Huyana's good cities + capped him, then capped Mansa with cannons. Game seems locked up, just have to deal with Joao. Huyana was a nice guy and built the Kremlin for me just before I took his capitol.

I've tried using Tectonics a few times and it's definitely a bizarre mapscript. Spams mountains and hills, very little land, will often have your capitol in some nice green zone completely encircled by tundra, etc. Tends to generate either a ton of food or none at all in certain spots.

 

[sampsa]

Phew, good thing that you win it so I don't need to.

 

[coanda]

I had a good laugh when I opened the screenshot of "the problem."

Tectonics is a silly script, but it does lead to the occasional memorable game.

 

[jnebbe]

I remember seeing this map a long time ago actually
100% winnable, ai is really bad at dealing with small amount of land
You could fit 3 cities on main island for 4 cities total too