Is this the end of liberalism?

[Birdjaguar]

@civman110: So are you saying that those two quotes
...are the same?
...convey the same message?
...that you did not alter the meaning when you edited it?

The quote I posted was not taken out of context, as everyone can clearly see:

Of course, I asked you three different questions you didn't answer.

Reality: "I personally am tired of hearing that First Amendment rights protect students when they are creating a hostile and unsafe learning environment for myself and other students here. I think it is important to create that distinction and to create a space where we can all learn from one another and start to create a place of healing rather than a place where we're experiencing lot of hate like we have in the past."

Civman's so-called quote: "I personally am TIRED of the First Amendment. The 1st Amendment Creates a ‘Hostile and Unsafe Learning Environment."

If you were an honest quoter you would have written your post something like this:

I personally am tired...of the First Amendment....[The] 1st Amendment...[Creates] a ‘Hostile and Unsafe Learning Environment."

You don't think that changing the number of words from 75 words to 18 words is changing the context? You changed the subject of the verb "creating" from "they [the students]" to "the 1st Amendment". Your edit was totally dishonest. For someone who claims to like "facts" you show a flagrant disregard for them here.

 

[civman110]

I need your guys' help understanding something, because the unemployment rate always seems made up questionable to me.
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...-declines-nearly-10-but-developers-up-12.html

There's about 100,000,000 people out of work in the US, many with degrees.

So...

Left wingers want to double down and give everyone "free" degrees? Yup that should fix it.

Of course, I asked you three different questions you didn't answer.

I answered your question. Sounds like it wasn't the answer you wanted, so I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[Zkribbler]

Unless of course you think that "being tired of the First Amendment" is different from "being tired of First Amendment rights."

But, that wouldn't be very logical.

Here's why you're wrong . . . twice.

First, you are assuming that the "they" in the "they are creating a hostile and unsafe..." refers to First Amendment rights. However, under the rules of English, the antecedent of a pronoun is the noun which precedes it. The noun preceding "they" is "students," not "rights."

Second, look at the context. Her statement after this phrase calls for increased dialogue. This would be illogical for anyone seeking to curtail First Amendment rights.

 

[civman110]

Second, look at the context. Her statement after this phrase calls for increased dialogue. This would be illogical for anyone seeking to curtail First Amendment rights.

Unless of course you're an SJW who is "tired"of First Amendment rights and wants to control the dialogue, which is par for the course.

As you said, the implication of her statement was:

(the implication being that these students' actions are not protected by the First Amendment].

This SJW loves "open dialogue" too:


Link to video.

 

[sophie]

Unless of course you're an SJW who is "tired"of First Amendment rights and wants to control the dialogue, which is par for the course.

As you said, the implication of her statement was:


This SJW loves "open dialogue" too:

You've changed the object of the verb dude.

She's not tired of the 1st Amendment

She's tired of people saying[...]

If you were in a Syntax I class you would fail. Lern2tree

 

[civman110]

If you were in a Syntax I class you would fail. Lern2tree

Luckily, I took "gender studies" with a major in lesbian dance theory and am now making 6 figures.

 

[Birdjaguar]

@civman110: So are you saying that those two quotes
...are the same?
...convey the same message?
...that you did not alter the meaning when you edited it?

The quote I posted was not taken out of context, as everyone can clearly see:

Of course, I asked you three different questions you didn't answer.

I answered your question. Sounds like it wasn't the answer you wanted, so I don't know what else to tell you.

Let's review. My three questions are shown above (none contain the word context) as is your non answer to any of them. You, then at the end say you did answer my question (singular).

Let me try tthree different questions since the first ones appear to be beyond your skills.

What is the highest level of education you have achieved (HS, Associates degree, bachelor's degree, graduate degree)?

How many years of full time employment have you actually worked?

Is English a second language for you?

Thanks.

 

[madviking]

Sure, and we can compare who became more successful - the SJW basket weaver demanding free university, or the newly graduated chemical engineer that paid for his own education.

speaking as a newly graduated chemical engineer, all i can do is laugh at this sentiment.

 

[sophie]

Luckily, I took "gender studies" with a major in lesbian dance theory and am now making 6 figures.

Whatever makes you happy.

 

[civman110]

Whatever makes you happy.

Well, to be honest it has made me very angry. I think I need a "safe space" to riot in.

 

[sophie]

Well, to be honest it has made me very angry. I think I need a "safe space" to riot in.

Well then you should have studied something else.

 

[civman110]

Well then you should have studied something else.

I think so too, but now I have student debt and I can't repay it because everytime I have a job interview they never want to hear about my extensive knowledge in "lesbian dance theory."

Logical conclusion - protest for free tuition.

 

[sophie]

I think so too, but now I have student debt and I can't repay it because everytime I have a job interview they never want to hear about my extensive knowledge in "lesbian dance theory."

Logical conclusion - protest for free tuition.

Maybe you should have experimented a bit more rather than committing to one subject on day one.

 

[civman110]

Maybe you should have experimented a bit more rather than committing to one subject on day one.

I totally agree, but I will never admit it openly. Just pay for my tuition.

 

[civman110]

SJWs take to twitter to condemn the Paris terrorist attacks for stealing their spotlight by not covering the "terrorist attack at Mizzou" and yes, white people are racist.

"Both situations are equally messed up!" and "a supposed 'safe space' is also terrorism."

 

[Atticus]

The quote I posted was not taken out of context, as everyone can clearly see:

The problem isn't that it's taken out of context. The problem is that it's not a quote at all.

Here's a quote taken out of context:

I personally am TIRED of the First Amendment. The 1st Amendment Creates a ‘Hostile and Unsafe Learning Environment.

Although, it's difficult to explain why this is taken out of context. Normally in similar cases one would say that you were quoting someone, but that's not true.

 

[Ice_Tyrant]

Twitter nonsense

It's weird how your first reaction to a terrorist attack in Paris is to get mad at dumb college children. A lot of those tweets are dumb and irrelevant. I'd say you also went out of your way to find the dumbest people you could find to make your point, but I saw that Breitbart did it for you.

 

[civman110]

It's weird how your first reaction to a terrorist attack in Paris is to get mad at dumb college children. A lot of those tweets are dumb and irrelevant.

Link to video.

Still trying to tell yourself that there's nothing wrong?

 

[Zkribbler]

Unless of course you're an SJW who is "tired"of First Amendment rights and wants to control the dialogue, which is par for the course.

As you said, the implication of her statement was:

Originally Posted by Zkribbler
(the implication being that these students' actions are not protected by the First Amendment].

Let's try again:

She is not, Not, NOT saying she is tired of the First Amendment. She is saying it doesn't apply. Why you keep trying to win this argument by misrepresenting what she said is beyond me.

You have a killer argument that you're overlooking, a dispositive argument which will make you the winner. :1st: Do you want me to tell you what it is?

She is assuming hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment. The problem is that Justice Scalia had led the Supreme Court in saying that, absent the danger of imminent danger found in fighting words, hate speech IS protected by the First Amendment. She is just plain wrong on the law.

[Caveat: I do not know if the Supreme Court has decided this issue in the context of a university. Although a campus setting could raise some additional arguments, I doubt if they'd lead to a different outcome.]

 

[useless]

Just an honest question Civman, are you genuinely scared of SJWs?