Originally posted by IceBlaZe I was wondering what is wrong with Joe Lieberman as the candidate for Democrats in American Elections 2004.
Then I see this:
Racism? In the states?
I thought it is the land of the free and equal opportunities for all.
Please Elaborate, Americans. Is AoA right?
One problem for him is that the primaries select candidates who pander to the far wing of their party instead of the one that will do best in the general election. And Lieberman is much to Hawkish for the dem fatefulls.
On the issue of religion there are two parts here. In the south, the christian church is very strong and shapes the opinion of many people. I lived for a while in NC and there was massive cries of complaint over just Harry Potter (in that it is promoting witch craft). As well the Southern states are where you have efforts to limit the teaching of evolution. But I don't think that would play too much effect in a general election
The other issue is a realization of the racist view the world might have to a Jewish president. For example with 9/11 the conspiracy theories of this being fake attack blamed on Al Queda would be even more pronounced. With Liberman anti-americanism and anti-semitism would be joined together in opposition of our country and policies.
While I think he would make a great president and knows how to correctly walk a Hawk attitude, I am just afraid that it wouldn't work out. Though I hope that I am incorrect and just too pessimistic.
Lieberman can win one state south of the Mason-Dixon line: Florida.
I agree with the sentiment that he wouldn't do to well in the South, but that isn't because they don't like him for his Judiasm. People down here are simply more conservative than him; his politics are the bigger roadblock than his religion (of course, for some people religion=politics, but they're not in the majority).
Any of the Democrats strategy will focus on the North East, the West Coast, and Great Lake States, Pennsylvania, and Florida as the swing states.
Interesting, A Canidate from my state ( Conneticut ) is mentioned in CFC
I beleve Senator Joe Liberman would win the votes in Conneticut and Florada, There are some other states, But I dont keep track of the Political Party Demographics.
The Democrats best chance is to choose a candidate from South of the Mason Dixon line. Someone not known outside of his own state except by those of us who follow politics more closely than the average American. That or convince McCain to switch parties. Unfortunately, neither of these scenarios will happen and we will give Bush four more years to help improve the Clinton legacy.
Lieberman is a centrist-conservative democrat; I like to call him the McCain of the democrats, except McCain is much cooler.
He is a hawk on foreign policy, and he is all for censorship of violence and swears in music and movies.
He will draw some votes because he is well-known around the country, but not enough to win the primary in my opinion, and certainly not enough to win the eleciton.
I'm skeptical of any religiously orthodox person taking presidential office in an 'officially' secular govt. like this. I don't like electing any extremely religious people. It hurts the potential pragmatism a president might need in tight, morally ill-defined situations. At that point we need someone who is completely weiging the facts and no religious conviction should sway his judgement.
Plus who needs some holier-than-thou jerko telling me what I can and can't see/hear on public broadcasting?
A Jewish man will not be elected as president of the United States for a very long time. People will feel that they will have a biased towards Israel over Palestinians (as if all the candidates already don't) and among other things, people are just flat out racist and there are tons of anti-semetics.
Isn't that what they said about Catholics until Kennedy? When has a Jewish person ever run for the Presidency? I think the "experts" often read far too much into someone's religion, ethnicity or whatever. The thing most Americans voters care about is their politics and that is why Lieberman won't win the South. Now if a Jewish Republican ran for the Presidency things would get very interesting.
Originally posted by Greadius Whats different about Lieberman is he is a pious Jews, but Judiasm, even in its orthodoxy, is a much more passive religion than Christianity.
In recent years there have been more Christians than Jews, this makes Christian regions more able to fight but it's certainly no indication as the proportion of the population who are willing to fight.
If you look as Israel, they are most certainly not pacifists!
Also, the Old Testament has more respect for violence than the New Testament. I do believe the Old Testament speaks of the Devil being forcefully thrown out of Heaven... but the closest Jesus comes to this is ignoring him.
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