Julius doesn't like me :(

parachute4u

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Everybody hates me (Hannibal) in my current game, because I attacked the Mali in the stone ages. (Their capital had 1 fish, 2 clam and 1 crab food-resources + gold + some bonus I can't remember now, so it was kind of necessary to attack before they start to build the spaceship in 1500AD)

(edit: here is Timbuktu :eek: : )
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The problem of my war with Mali was too many cease fires. Mali was friend with everyone and I had to sign cease fire often, in order to destroy them quickly.

The only one opening borders with me after the Mali wars were over, was little Julius, who developed into one of the 3 super powers on the continent. (india, russia and rome) I managed to get some techs earlier than russia, rome and the rest of the world (except india) and managed to start 2 wars between russia and india. India had some land population and tech advantage that got smaller after a while.

I kept checking if it was possible to buy Julius into a war with ANYone for quite some time. He disliked quite a few powers, but he was not interested in starting any wars, because he "had too much on his hands right now".

Julius did not fight a SINGLE war until grenadiers and cavalry. I checked the power graph to see how strong russia and india were. Guess who was stongest? -- Rome! Rome's military power was frightening, absolutely.

I checked if it was possible to make Julius use his military might on someone. Not possible. "We have too much on our hands right now." WTH :confused:??

"His army might be useful at some point", I was thinking, so I gifted some corn to Julius, sold my only marble for 12Gpt to him and hoped for the best....

Some turns later 4 frigates, 2 galleons and some more frigates and galleons arrived at my northern coast. They were loaded with trebs and cavalry and the only cities around, belonged to me....

I upgraded my military, gathered my forces at the northern coast and bribed the ottomans who shared a land border with Julius into a war with military super-power Julius.

Dedicated Julius didn't give a damn about the corn, the marble or the ottomans. He declared all the same and landed his troops. I managed to destroy his invasion force within a couple of turns (losing most of my "kill the mali"-army) and managed to kill his marauding frigates as well. Bribing the ottmans probably saved me from being destroyed, because I had to whip navy like crazy (most of my cities really relied on sea-tiles). The ottomans eventually capitulated and I signed peace with Julius for a tribute of 300 gold.

(edit: this is the power graph of the game)
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Is little Julius like this every game? -- Building up a huge army with the paricular purpose of attacking the HUMAN player, not his neighbors? ( When Russia was fighting India, I expected him to join the war, because he didn't share religion with Gandhi and he did not like him either)

Or is it because I am playing Carthago? I really did not understand, why it was absolutely impossible to make him attack ANYone for many many turns. He seemed to be preparing for a war with me from the start....

Has anyone made similar experiences? About rivalry between certain leaders and nations? - Is it in the game or am I making this up?
 
Lol I believe in stuff too, like how the Game seems to put Incas in 9/10 of my games but this I don't know, maybe the Romans do hate the Carthagians
 
Humm, i dont know, i usually wipe out the first guy that declares war on me twice.

Usually is Monty but Alexander is close by.
 
It's been my experience that aggressive AI players will eventually come after you if they feel your power is inferior... the only way to peace is through superior firepower (and sometimes not even then). Appeasement may delay them but it won't deter them. Certainly there is historical precedence for this.

It would be interesting to think that there might be some special enmity between Rome and Carthage, but I can't imagine that's the case. I've seen this behavior too often in vanilla Civ4.
 
The problem is that rome attacked the human instead of a less powerfull and closer AI... Which dificulty you were playing?
The AIs have had better relations with others AIs since the beginning of Civ anyway:(
 
Dedicated Julius didn't give a damn about the corn
The problem is once he tasted corn he had to have all of it for himselve and no Ottoman going to stop him from getting it.
 
Well, I wouldn't be surprised. You had a city right there on his borders, surrounded by his cities. Your power rating sucked. He simply decided he wanted to beat on you, which actually wasn't a bad decision, because you really couldn't counter-attack him due to your far inferior power and having that one city bordering his entire empire, and the rest of your empire on the other end of the continent. The Americans were in much better shape to make him pay and possibly pillage if things went wrong...
 
Oh, that city is from after the war. Rome destroyed most of the Ottomans, so there was quite some land to be claimed. The city actually is Mali's last city, who survived under the protection of the ottomans. When the ottomans were vassalized by rome, mali was free again. I took that city to eliminate the unhappiness ("We yearn to join our motherland") in Timbuktu and to have a city that will be attacked first in future conflicts with Rome.

I am not surprised Rome declared war. I am surprised that it was impossible to bribe them into a war with anyone for the entire game. I had combustion and scientific method to sell to Caesar before he attacked me. Egypt and America were even weaker than the Ottomans, who got destroyed by Rome instantly.

This is monarch difficulty btw. I was busy building infrastructure (granaries, lighthouses, harbors, universities) and improving my mali cities, so I did not have the time to build military. -- I now have infantry vs Caesars grenadiers (plus I have Timbuktu :D), so I should be able to win the wars with Caesar. His fleet is nearly gone after the first war. And he will have a hard time to kill my foothold city with machine guns and infantry inside.
 
It's not 'gang up on the human player' that the AI is doing, it's 'attack the guy who did not have time to build military'. If your army sucks, the AI is going to see you as a target. If your power graph is down at the bottom, you're going to have to fight some wars.
 
Pantastic said:
It's not 'gang up on the human player' that the AI is doing, it's 'attack the guy who did not have time to build military'. If your army sucks, the AI is going to see you as a target. If your power graph is down at the bottom, you're going to have to fight some wars.

Yup - especially since AI attitude is worse towards the human player at the same diplo level, which also drives the decision to declare war.

Even if you are not playing for conquest, you have to keep up in power. Otherwise, wars will be declared on you at inconvenient times, rather than you declaring wars when it suits you. Losing cities, getting pillaged, or just having to spend units to keep what you've got is the price you pay.
 
Another point is that Mansa was probably paying him tribute so he didn't see any reason to attack the remnant cities you hadn't taken yet. Mansa trades tech like crazy anyway and likes being at peace, so he's probably bought his peace in spite of being small.
 
Timbuktu won the game :D

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Game ended in 1940s by domination. It's nice to build elite mech.infs nearly every turn :)
 
My closest neighbour in 3 games in a row was Saladin. Not a rivalry as such we almost never trade and never go to war we just kind of build empires next to each other until one of us wins!
 
Ive had problems with julius in the past as well. Took me a while to figure out that you have to really keep an eye on the power graph. Sort of think the stupid thing should go but its in game so you have to use it.

Btw nice city.
 
I would not be suprise if he came at you Gees his mil might was awsome,you give him corn and you give him Marble wich he probably dont have to build his Wonders... wich at that time if im corect Marble a must imo you gave him all the reason in the world to attack ya too bad the other civ took the Hit for ya.
Bad play good save. :D
 
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