JerichoHill
Bedrock of Knowledge
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"Jumping to Prince" SG
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Lobsterboy
Immature crustacean
Before turn, added a Scientist in Paris.
Turn 250 (1100 AD)
Paris begins: Longbowman
About time we started on some military.
Lizzie requests we join her war against Julius. No thank you.
Gibbon says we are # 2 in culture. Whoop-dee-doo,
Turn 251 (1105 AD)
Tours's borders expand
Turn 252 (1110 AD)
Orleans finishes: Settler
Rheims finishes: Aqueduct
Turn 253 (1115 AD)
Orleans begins: Courthouse
Rheims begins: Barracks
Paris finishes: Longbowman
Turn 254 (1120 AD)
Paris begins: Longbowman
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Francis Bacon (Great Scientist) born in Paris.
Moving Francis to found an Academy in Orleans. (Alternative was to research Philo.)
Turn 255 (1125 AD)
Chartres founded
Chartres begins: Courthouse
Rheims grows: 7
Turn 256 (1130 AD)
Orleans finishes: Academy
Lyons grows: 6
Marseilles's borders expand
Turn 257 (1135 AD)
Paris finishes: Longbowman
Turn 258 (1140 AD)
Paris begins: Theatre
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Orleans grows: 7
Lyons finishes: Aqueduct
Rheims finishes: Barracks
Turn 259 (1145 AD)
Lyons begins: Settler
Rheims begins: Worker
Tours grows: 2
Turn 260 (1150 AD)
Turn 261 (1155 AD)
Alex wants Drama - Nope.
Tech learned: Astronomy
Paris grows: 12
Paris finishes: Theatre
Turn 262 (1160 AD)
Paris begins: Galleon
Research begun: Guilds
Chose Guilds as shortest route to Chemistry (Frigates).
Chartres's borders expand
Turn 263 (1165 AD)
Trade Lizzie Clams for Cows (We could use the health.)
Alex offers Furs. Beat it heathen scum!
Peter builds Sistine Chapel.
Rheims finishes: Worker
Turn 264 (1170 AD)
Rheims begins: Longbowman
Trade Fred Furs for Sugar.
Turn 265 (1175 AD)
End turn summary:
Galleon produced in Paris in 4. Settler, Worker and Longbowman are ready to go in Lyon next turn. I recommend that the first City we found in Newfoundland is in SE to grab Gold and Iron.
Explorer is back in the Caravel N of Yaroslavl. Movement orders are cancelled,but I was sending boataround the horn to explore Lizzie's land.
I debated starting another Wonder in Paris, but opted for a little military in preparation for colonizing Newfoundland.
Resources screen reveals...
Peter has no iron!
Neither Fred, JC, nor Alex have horses!
Relations summary:
Fred: +2
Peter: +2
Alex: -1
Monty: -2
Everybody else is even.
Turn 250 (1100 AD)
Paris begins: Longbowman
About time we started on some military.
Lizzie requests we join her war against Julius. No thank you.
Gibbon says we are # 2 in culture. Whoop-dee-doo,
Turn 251 (1105 AD)
Tours's borders expand
Turn 252 (1110 AD)
Orleans finishes: Settler
Rheims finishes: Aqueduct
Turn 253 (1115 AD)
Orleans begins: Courthouse
Rheims begins: Barracks
Paris finishes: Longbowman
Turn 254 (1120 AD)
Paris begins: Longbowman
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Francis Bacon (Great Scientist) born in Paris.
Moving Francis to found an Academy in Orleans. (Alternative was to research Philo.)
Turn 255 (1125 AD)
Chartres founded
Chartres begins: Courthouse
Rheims grows: 7
Turn 256 (1130 AD)
Orleans finishes: Academy
Lyons grows: 6
Marseilles's borders expand
Turn 257 (1135 AD)
Paris finishes: Longbowman
Turn 258 (1140 AD)
Paris begins: Theatre
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Orleans grows: 7
Lyons finishes: Aqueduct
Rheims finishes: Barracks
Turn 259 (1145 AD)
Lyons begins: Settler
Rheims begins: Worker
Tours grows: 2
Turn 260 (1150 AD)
Turn 261 (1155 AD)
Alex wants Drama - Nope.
Tech learned: Astronomy
Paris grows: 12
Paris finishes: Theatre
Turn 262 (1160 AD)
Paris begins: Galleon
Research begun: Guilds
Chose Guilds as shortest route to Chemistry (Frigates).
Chartres's borders expand
Turn 263 (1165 AD)
Trade Lizzie Clams for Cows (We could use the health.)
Alex offers Furs. Beat it heathen scum!
Peter builds Sistine Chapel.
Rheims finishes: Worker
Turn 264 (1170 AD)
Rheims begins: Longbowman
Trade Fred Furs for Sugar.
Turn 265 (1175 AD)
End turn summary:
Galleon produced in Paris in 4. Settler, Worker and Longbowman are ready to go in Lyon next turn. I recommend that the first City we found in Newfoundland is in SE to grab Gold and Iron.
Explorer is back in the Caravel N of Yaroslavl. Movement orders are cancelled,but I was sending boataround the horn to explore Lizzie's land.
I debated starting another Wonder in Paris, but opted for a little military in preparation for colonizing Newfoundland.
Resources screen reveals...
Peter has no iron!
Neither Fred, JC, nor Alex have horses!
Relations summary:
Fred: +2
Peter: +2
Alex: -1
Monty: -2
Everybody else is even.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
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JerichoHill
Bedrock of Knowledge
GAH~!!!!!!!
We need subs!
I will *Try* and get to it today. If not, I *will* get to it tomorrow. If not then, I guarantee before 5pm EST Saturday
We need subs!
I will *Try* and get to it today. If not, I *will* get to it tomorrow. If not then, I guarantee before 5pm EST Saturday
JerichoHill said:
Submarines before Frigates????
Oh, substitutes? I'll be happy to play a round or two. You folks are doing great here. I hope to learn more. Maybe I can help get that power rating up. Otherwise, a visit from Monty is guaranteed and he won't be bringing cookies or cake.
JerichoHill
Bedrock of Knowledge
I played my turnset last night.
You guys are going to love me, or hate me.
Our diplomatic situation was a mess. So I did something about it. Let's face facts here. The only way we're going to win is by Diplomatic victory...unless we just bring an overwhelming army and swarm the continent later on if we get a decisive tech advantage.
We needed to start on getting people please with us. The Buddhist block is the obvious way to go.
Here are my goals.
1) Get Pleased or Friendly with all Buddhist Block Members
2) In time, get them to all turn on Tokogawa.
3) Build UN
4) Win
I'm happy to report that #1 has been accomplished in my ten turns.
Okay, so I revolted to slavery, and whipped some granaries, libraries, galleons, settlers, WHIP IT AND WHIP IT GOOD!
I put London to build the National Epic. Since we get alot of specialists, we should get alot of Great People. We need Great People.
Galleon with Longbowmen, Settler took off. Sent over another Galleon with a worker. Founded a city to get the 2 gold and iron. Must improve it fast.
Building another settler.
IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET 2 MORE SETTLERS OVER TO NEWFOUNDLAND ASAP!!!!!
ASAP!!!!! We MUST claim this continent before the other powers that be get there?
Wait? How could they get there?
Let's go back to objective 1. Diplomacy.
This is what I did.
1) Created a DogPile war on JC. Literally all the Buddhist countries are attacking him now. Gotta love those mutual struggle bonuses.
2) I traded as many resources as I could.
3) I traded Navigation. I got us 4 techs in return, plus I got open borders with toko and pleased status. I traded guilds to monty to get him to declare on Julius.
So basically, right now, the main continent is destroying JC.
GOALS TO GO
We must try to undermine support for Toko. What can we do? (Get him to declare against anyone Asoka or Frederick)
We might get hit , but he'll get hit worse.
We want to get Toko to the point that he goes to war with us. He can't touch us anyways, as long as we have naval power.
I'll send the save file later. I have no problem with Frank helping out.
So that's the situation. Love it or hate it, I made the decision to put our eggs into the diplomatic basket.
Let it commence
And we're back in caste system
Researching gunpowder
You guys are going to love me, or hate me.
Our diplomatic situation was a mess. So I did something about it. Let's face facts here. The only way we're going to win is by Diplomatic victory...unless we just bring an overwhelming army and swarm the continent later on if we get a decisive tech advantage.
We needed to start on getting people please with us. The Buddhist block is the obvious way to go.
Here are my goals.
1) Get Pleased or Friendly with all Buddhist Block Members
2) In time, get them to all turn on Tokogawa.
3) Build UN
4) Win
I'm happy to report that #1 has been accomplished in my ten turns.
Okay, so I revolted to slavery, and whipped some granaries, libraries, galleons, settlers, WHIP IT AND WHIP IT GOOD!
I put London to build the National Epic. Since we get alot of specialists, we should get alot of Great People. We need Great People.
Galleon with Longbowmen, Settler took off. Sent over another Galleon with a worker. Founded a city to get the 2 gold and iron. Must improve it fast.
Building another settler.
IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET 2 MORE SETTLERS OVER TO NEWFOUNDLAND ASAP!!!!!
ASAP!!!!! We MUST claim this continent before the other powers that be get there?
Wait? How could they get there?
Let's go back to objective 1. Diplomacy.
This is what I did.
1) Created a DogPile war on JC. Literally all the Buddhist countries are attacking him now. Gotta love those mutual struggle bonuses.
2) I traded as many resources as I could.
3) I traded Navigation. I got us 4 techs in return, plus I got open borders with toko and pleased status. I traded guilds to monty to get him to declare on Julius.
So basically, right now, the main continent is destroying JC.
GOALS TO GO
We must try to undermine support for Toko. What can we do? (Get him to declare against anyone Asoka or Frederick)
We might get hit , but he'll get hit worse.
We want to get Toko to the point that he goes to war with us. He can't touch us anyways, as long as we have naval power.
I'll send the save file later. I have no problem with Frank helping out.
So that's the situation. Love it or hate it, I made the decision to put our eggs into the diplomatic basket.
Let it commence
And we're back in caste system
Researching gunpowder
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
Frank...not a problem...consider yourself in...once jericho posts the save, you're off...
also, good job w/the settlers and such...we need to expand...once we fill up these islands, we WILL be a powerhouse, esp at the onset of the industrial age when the AI is slow to build factories/plants ~ destroyers and subs e'erywhere!
and, diplo really was the way to go w/this...once the buddhism disappears from the equation, it will a lot easier to get others to attack Tokie as well
also, good job w/the settlers and such...we need to expand...once we fill up these islands, we WILL be a powerhouse, esp at the onset of the industrial age when the AI is slow to build factories/plants ~ destroyers and subs e'erywhere!
and, diplo really was the way to go w/this...once the buddhism disappears from the equation, it will a lot easier to get others to attack Tokie as well
Lobsterboy
Immature crustacean
I wish I could have looked over your shoulder as you played that one!
JerichoHill
Bedrock of Knowledge
i'll go into more detail about it
Plans changed, so I wont be back home until sunday to put the save file up.
Its up now
Basically, Diplomacy just means knowing how to butter guys up. The more friendly you are with someone's friends, the more your efforts will make them friendlier.
Start with open borders to all buddhists, or at least try.
Then trade resources for gold (ones that we have extra of) We'll want to bump up how much theyre worth to us from time to time
Then trade techs. I got a big boost for doing this.
When all else fails, gift a tech that someone already has.
Bada bing, we've got friends now
Plans changed, so I wont be back home until sunday to put the save file up.
Its up now
Basically, Diplomacy just means knowing how to butter guys up. The more friendly you are with someone's friends, the more your efforts will make them friendlier.
Start with open borders to all buddhists, or at least try.
Then trade resources for gold (ones that we have extra of) We'll want to bump up how much theyre worth to us from time to time
Then trade techs. I got a big boost for doing this.
When all else fails, gift a tech that someone already has.
Bada bing, we've got friends now
JerichoHill said:
Nice turnset!
I just spotted this but I'm at work on Monday morning. I can pick it up and play when I get home this afternoon. If someone else wants to go next instead, just post here. I'll check before downloading Jericho's save.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
Frank ~ that's fine...pick it up tonight and play 15...I'll drop back to 10 again once I get to pick it up.
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JerichoHill
Bedrock of Knowledge
We should totally be on the way now to a diplo victory.
Here's a hint some know, some don't. When the AI comes to you for a trade offer, hit the F4 key. You'll be able to see the relationship screen, so you can look at that to determine if we should or should not trade with this guy.
At this moment, we do not care about pissing Toko off. But we must make sure we do not tick off the other buddhists.
Here's a hint some know, some don't. When the AI comes to you for a trade offer, hit the F4 key. You'll be able to see the relationship screen, so you can look at that to determine if we should or should not trade with this guy.
At this moment, we do not care about pissing Toko off. But we must make sure we do not tick off the other buddhists.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
that's a great tip ~ i had no idea...
User comment: First, I cycle through cities. Only change is to set Lyons for a little growth, sacrificing a little production.
Turn 275 (1225 AD)
Orleans grows: 8
Lyons finishes: Maceman
Marseilles grows: 3
Turn 276 (1230 AD)
Lyons begins: Maceman
User comment: Whoa, Explorer almost parked next to a Roman crossbowman, deep inside English territory.
User comment: Worker arrives in new land, prepare to chop a forrest. A Barb galley appears off east coast of new land.
Hinduism has spread: Avignon
Turn 277 (1235 AD)
Galleon defeats (3.44/4): Barbarian Galley
Confucianism has spread: Lyons
Tours grows: 2
Ceasar sues for peace, throws in 40 gold. I grab it. I hope that doesn't mess us up.
Turn 278 (1240 AD)
Galleon promoted: Combat I
Rheims finishes: Settler
Turn 279 (1245 AD)
Rheims begins: Longbowman
Avignon begins: Worker
Tech learned: Gunpowder
Avignon's borders expand
Galleon defeats (3.48/4): Barbarian Galley
Turn 280 (1250 AD)
Research begun: Chemistry
Orleans grows: 9
Galileo Galilei (Great Scientist) born in Orleans
Lyons finishes: Maceman
Turn 281 (1255 AD)
Lyons begins: Longbowman
User comment: Decisions, decisions. Send Galileo to Rheims to build an acadamy? To Paris to add as specialist? Or knock 6 or 7 turns off Chemistry. I'll go for the immediate gratification.
Turn 282 (1260 AD)
User comment: Dang Russkies just landed a longbowman and settler on OUR new island. Ratz. Better get that settler there fast before more company arrives.
User comment: Nevermind. England has a galleon off our north coast heading to the new island. This one with TWO longbowmen and a settler.
Rheims finishes: Longbowman
Marseilles grows: 4
Turn 283 (1265 AD)
Rheims begins: Musketeer
User comment: Start working a cottage in Rheims. Slow down Musketeer by 2turns. Settler waves off galleon, moves to Fishing Village location instead.
Tech learned: Chemistry
Turn 284 (1270 AD)
Research begun: Paper
Besancon founded
Besancon begins: Work Boat
Tours grows: 3
Turn 285 (1275 AD)
Tech learned: Paper
Lyons finishes: Longbowman
Avignon finishes: Worker
User comment: Another barb galley appears off new land.
Turn 286 (1280 AD)
Research begun: Banking
Lyons begins: Frigate
Paris grows: 12
Turn 287 (1285 AD)
Galleon defeats (3.44/4): Barbarian Galley
Paris finishes: National Epic
Turn 288 (1290 AD)
Paris begins: Musketeer
Orleans grows: 10
Marseilles finishes: Granary
Turn 289 (1295 AD)
Marseilles begins: Forge
Galleon promoted: Combat I
Tech learned: Banking
Chartres finishes: Courthouse
Turn 290 (1300 AD)
Research begun: Printing Press
Chartres begins: Forge
User comment: Decisions: Revolt to mercantilism? It'll be hard to get religion without trade routes. Pacificsm? Meanwhile, our explorer and caravels report that it's hard to find any evidence of activity in the war against Rome on the main continent.
Turn 275 (1225 AD)
Orleans grows: 8
Lyons finishes: Maceman
Marseilles grows: 3
Turn 276 (1230 AD)
Lyons begins: Maceman
User comment: Whoa, Explorer almost parked next to a Roman crossbowman, deep inside English territory.
User comment: Worker arrives in new land, prepare to chop a forrest. A Barb galley appears off east coast of new land.
Hinduism has spread: Avignon
Turn 277 (1235 AD)
Galleon defeats (3.44/4): Barbarian Galley
Confucianism has spread: Lyons
Tours grows: 2
Ceasar sues for peace, throws in 40 gold. I grab it. I hope that doesn't mess us up.
Turn 278 (1240 AD)
Galleon promoted: Combat I
Rheims finishes: Settler
Turn 279 (1245 AD)
Rheims begins: Longbowman
Avignon begins: Worker
Tech learned: Gunpowder
Avignon's borders expand
Galleon defeats (3.48/4): Barbarian Galley
Turn 280 (1250 AD)
Research begun: Chemistry
Orleans grows: 9
Galileo Galilei (Great Scientist) born in Orleans
Lyons finishes: Maceman
Turn 281 (1255 AD)
Lyons begins: Longbowman
User comment: Decisions, decisions. Send Galileo to Rheims to build an acadamy? To Paris to add as specialist? Or knock 6 or 7 turns off Chemistry. I'll go for the immediate gratification.
Turn 282 (1260 AD)
User comment: Dang Russkies just landed a longbowman and settler on OUR new island. Ratz. Better get that settler there fast before more company arrives.
User comment: Nevermind. England has a galleon off our north coast heading to the new island. This one with TWO longbowmen and a settler.
Rheims finishes: Longbowman
Marseilles grows: 4
Turn 283 (1265 AD)
Rheims begins: Musketeer
User comment: Start working a cottage in Rheims. Slow down Musketeer by 2turns. Settler waves off galleon, moves to Fishing Village location instead.
Tech learned: Chemistry
Turn 284 (1270 AD)
Research begun: Paper
Besancon founded
Besancon begins: Work Boat
Tours grows: 3
Turn 285 (1275 AD)
Tech learned: Paper
Lyons finishes: Longbowman
Avignon finishes: Worker
User comment: Another barb galley appears off new land.
Turn 286 (1280 AD)
Research begun: Banking
Lyons begins: Frigate
Paris grows: 12
Turn 287 (1285 AD)
Galleon defeats (3.44/4): Barbarian Galley
Paris finishes: National Epic
Turn 288 (1290 AD)
Paris begins: Musketeer
Orleans grows: 10
Marseilles finishes: Granary
Turn 289 (1295 AD)
Marseilles begins: Forge
Galleon promoted: Combat I
Tech learned: Banking
Chartres finishes: Courthouse
Turn 290 (1300 AD)
Research begun: Printing Press
Chartres begins: Forge
User comment: Decisions: Revolt to mercantilism? It'll be hard to get religion without trade routes. Pacificsm? Meanwhile, our explorer and caravels report that it's hard to find any evidence of activity in the war against Rome on the main continent.
JerichoHill
Bedrock of Knowledge
Wow. That was really fast for the AI to have a galleon settler longbow combo.
My bad guys. I thought the gamble would work.
Plan B: We need to out-culture them on the island. Theatre, Library, Religious stuff all needs to go there. We can take their cities peacefully with culture.
We need foreign trade routes for relations purposes.
I would've kept the war going unless we needed the gold...more +1 mutual struggle modifiers. We're not winning this thing by conquest here...
why'd we move our settler to not go to the island? Did they beat us there?
My bad guys. I thought the gamble would work.
Plan B: We need to out-culture them on the island. Theatre, Library, Religious stuff all needs to go there. We can take their cities peacefully with culture.
We need foreign trade routes for relations purposes.
I would've kept the war going unless we needed the gold...more +1 mutual struggle modifiers. We're not winning this thing by conquest here...
why'd we move our settler to not go to the island? Did they beat us there?
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
Good turns, though i agree that peace w/JC was unneccessary...however, we can just redeclare either immediately or wait until someone asks us...
and mercantilism would be a poor choice at this point ~ we need those trade routes as well as the religion
and mercantilism would be a poor choice at this point ~ we need those trade routes as well as the religion
It seemed as if, w/the Russians and the English settling on the island, there was no room for us. That's my guess ~ perhaps if someone can check the save for a screenshot. Also, i will pick this up tonight and play.
Lobsterboy
Immature crustacean
Damn! Perhaps it would have been wiser to wait until we had settled Newfoundland before trading away Astronomy. Oh well, hindsight is 20:20. At least we got the best city site (argueably) over there. The culture gambit might work, especially if we can get a Great Artist over there.
Since our military is crap, Pacifism is probably the best relgious civic ATM. It will boost our economy and pump out the Great Leaders faster.
Since the AIs have galleons now, how long before one of them shows up with an invasion force? What's the likelihood that one of our new-found friends will betray us?
Since our military is crap, Pacifism is probably the best relgious civic ATM. It will boost our economy and pump out the Great Leaders faster.
Since the AIs have galleons now, how long before one of them shows up with an invasion force? What's the likelihood that one of our new-found friends will betray us?
JerichoHill
Bedrock of Knowledge
I agree on Pacifism. We'll be patrolling the high seas anyways.
We're going to need to get frigates soon to combat a galleon invasion force. 3 stacks of 3 frigates should be good enough to protect us.
We should keep the AI warring with each other on the main continent. They won't declare more than 1 war.
We're going to need to get frigates soon to combat a galleon invasion force. 3 stacks of 3 frigates should be good enough to protect us.
We should keep the AI warring with each other on the main continent. They won't declare more than 1 war.
The Russian settler landed, and I spotted the English galleon with settler before I could even get our settler onto a galleon. At that point, I diverted him to settle the fishing village instead. The AI settlers wandered around a few turns but there still was never going to be enough time to get our settler there.
I was able to improve our power curve some by building 3 units in Lyons (that's a likely spot for Heroic Epic). I started a musketman in Paris and a frigate in Lyons. I agree more frigates should be a priority.
We should probably set our current naval forces to patrol positions that will spot possible invasion forces. With an improved road network we could build a swift reaction force of musketeers and hopefully defeat any invasion that makes it past our frigates.
I was able to improve our power curve some by building 3 units in Lyons (that's a likely spot for Heroic Epic). I started a musketman in Paris and a frigate in Lyons. I agree more frigates should be a priority.
We should probably set our current naval forces to patrol positions that will spot possible invasion forces. With an improved road network we could build a swift reaction force of musketeers and hopefully defeat any invasion that makes it past our frigates.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
does the heroic epic affect navy builds???
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