Just a new civ idea

[Calavente]

Those two schools are quasi identical :

Erebus Warmage Academy
Military training for mages. Students spend more time on a training yard that in a library.
BM: can use bronze weapons. Free war mage promotion (No automatic experience gain (even with potenty))
MM: can use iron weapons
DM: can use mithril weapons

Grand Magic Circus
Not really a school, students spend time practising all kind of physical exercices to increase their strength (but they forget to study textbooks).
BM: +1/+1 to strength. Free war mage promotion (No automatic experience gain (even with potenty))
MM: +1/+1 to strength
DM: +1/+1 to strength

Circus vs warmage :
BM :+1/+1 is equal to bronze weapons BUT : no need of copper (nor of bronze-working tech), no risk of being rusted, no sensibility to maelstorm, no -25% against iron weapons.
MM : +1/+1 (total +2/+2) is equal to iron weapons (as bronze weapons disappear) and same advantages as BM : no need of iron (nor of iron-working tech), no risk of being rusted, no sensibility to maelstorm, no -25% against mithril weapons.
DM : +1/+1 (total +3/+3) less than mithril weapons BUT : no need of mithril (nor of mithril-working tech), no sensibility to maelstorm.
So in the end, Circus is better than Warmage....

Maybe Warmage could have 1) metal weapons ; 2) some additional promotions that arcan units normally can't learn :
exemples :
BM ShockI Formation I (arcane units cannot normaly learn) or CR I and CD I (reserved respectively to melee and ranged)
MM CoverI Formation II (arcane units cannot normaly learn) or CR II and CD II
DM shock II cover II (arcane units cannot normaly learn) or CR III and CD III

 

[Ghostslayer]

Those two schools are quasi identical :

Erebus Warmage Academy
Military training for mages. Students spend more time on a training yard that in a library.
BM: can use bronze weapons. Free war mage promotion (No automatic experience gain (even with potenty))
MM: can use iron weapons
DM: can use mithril weapons

Grand Magic Circus
Not really a school, students spend time practising all kind of physical exercices to increase their strength (but they forget to study textbooks).
BM: +1/+1 to strength. Free war mage promotion (No automatic experience gain (even with potenty))
MM: +1/+1 to strength
DM: +1/+1 to strength

Circus vs warmage :
BM :+1/+1 is equal to bronze weapons BUT : no need of copper (nor of bronze-working tech), no risk of being rusted, no sensibility to maelstorm, no -25% against iron weapons.
MM : +1/+1 (total +2/+2) is equal to iron weapons (as bronze weapons disappear) and same advantages as BM : no need of iron (nor of iron-working tech), no risk of being rusted, no sensibility to maelstorm, no -25% against mithril weapons.
DM : +1/+1 (total +3/+3) less than mithril weapons BUT : no need of mithril (nor of mithril-working tech), no sensibility to maelstorm.
So in the end, Circus is better than Warmage....

Maybe Warmage could have 1) metal weapons ; 2) some additional promotions that arcan units normally can't learn :
exemples :
BM ShockI Formation I (arcane units cannot normaly learn) or CR I and CD I (reserved respectively to melee and ranged)
MM CoverI Formation II (arcane units cannot normaly learn) or CR II and CD II
DM shock II cover II (arcane units cannot normaly learn) or CR III and CD III

Your are right, they are almost similar. And Circus is probably better than Warmage at the beginning (but not for archs, as gaining access to mithril is not a problem for Hvits).

Indeed it is intentional to have both schools, as you can have training from BOTH of them. You can have +n strength and metal weapons promotions at the same time.
It will cost you a lot of money, and you have to build both schools in two different cities (and it will forbid you to build others schools that may be more useful to give special terraforming powers to your mages, or to increase their magical or summoning skills). But it is up to the player to decide.

For the melee promotions, it is a possibility that I considered, but I wonder if it would not be somehow unbalanced. Mages already have the possibility to summons minions (and probably Hvits with their many mana sources will have very powerful minions), to send a fireball, to stoneskin, etc, and transforming them to melee units could make them too powerful. Probably some experiments will be necessary.

 

[Calavente]

it's true that you can find mithril easily, but you'll still need the mithril working tech.

+ to have both schools you would have to have only 1 school left for boosting spells/summons so your summons won't be as strong as it could have been.

 

[arcticnightwolf]

hmm, and what about specialize warmage academy to raw strength (+str, +defense bonus, etc...), meanwhile circus to agility(first strike, withdrawl while defending, etc...)

 

[Ghostslayer]

it's true that you can find mithril easily, but you'll still need the mithril working tech.

+ to have both schools you would have to have only 1 school left for boosting spells/summons so your summons won't be as strong as it could have been.

Right. As always it is a matter of gameplay and of choice of the player. But it is always possible to have a given school for some time and to chance later. Provided it is not done too often...

hmm, and what about specialize warmage academy to raw strength (+str, +defense bonus, etc...), meanwhile circus to agility(first strike, withdrawl while defending, etc...)

It is a good idea. Maybe some thing like :

Erebus Warmage Academy
Military training for mages. Students spend more time on a training yard that in a library.
BM: +1/+1 to strength. Free war mage promotion (No automatic experience gain (even with potenty))
MM: +1/+1 to strength
DM: +1/+1 to strength

Grand Magic Circus
Not really a school, students spend time practising all kind of physical exercices to increase their dexterity (but they forget to study textbooks).
BM: +1 first strike, +1 first strike chance, + 15% withdrawal
MM: +2 first strikes, +1 first strike chance, + 15% withdrawal
DM: +1 first strike, +25% withdrawal
(should be sufficiently appealing...)

Also, it could be a good thing to add a blacksmith leader if someone want to emphasize on strong mages, as metal weapons are no longer covered by any school.

 

[Torugu]

Grand Magic Circus
Not really a school, students spend time practising all kind of physical exercices to increase their dexterity (but they forget to study textbooks).
BM: +1 first strike, +1 first strike chance, + 15% withdrawal
MM: +2 first strikes, +1 first strike chance, + 15% withdrawal
DM: +1 first strike, +25% withdrawal
(should be sufficiently appealing...)

Much better imho. Would need playtesting though, 4 fs + 2 fs chances + 55% withdrawal might be a bit too strong. But that's something you can worry about after having actually implemented the mechanic.

 

[arcticnightwolf]

It is a good idea.

I have only good ideas

Much better imho. Would need playtesting though, 4 fs + 2 fs chances + 55% withdrawal might be a bit too strong. But that's something you can worry about after having actually implemented the mechanic.

I don't know ... it's mage - it doesn't have much strength anyway, i don't think that it would affect gameplay so much

 

[Tasunke]

@ Magister ... speaking of Gastrius and Judecca, I've always thought of the name as personifying the 9th level of Hell (from Dante's Inferno) realm of the betrayers. IIRC that was also called Judecca.

Anyways, that was my initial inspiration for the name Judecca, not from the arch-demon/ demonlord Judecca from the scenario.

Basically an insanely powerful Divine Sorceror/ Demon that serves Agares in name and Ceridwen in spirit.

 

[Maniac]

That would be what is meant by 'aquatic'.

Did you copy Planetfall's sea settler/worker/... code, or have you written something improved?

 

[Valkrionn]

Did you copy Planetfall's sea settler/worker/... code, or have you written something improved?

I have not even begun, and won't for a while. I'm focusing on base mechanics before I add a new civ. I was going to start by checking your code, however.

 

[inuyashasama]

Planetfall does it perfectly, so far as I can tell, with the minor exception that the cities don't feel protected with only naval units guarding it, although they should.

 

[Valkrionn]

Aquatic civs would have fully aquatic units; All units would be waterwalking.

 

[Tasunke]

maybe Lanun boarding parties should also have some bonuses vs the water civs (in addition to boarding). Otherwise, the -1 strength from normal champions rly wouldn't make sense :3 (imho)

actually, it'd prolly be easier just to make boarding parties 6 str.

 

[Valkrionn]

maybe Lanun boarding parties should also have some bonuses vs the water civs (in addition to boarding). Otherwise, the -1 strength from normal champions rly wouldn't make sense :3 (imho)

actually, it'd prolly be easier just to make boarding parties 6 str.

Lanun will get something else that potentially makes boarding parties quite useful. Not discussing it yet at this point in time.

 

[Zai]

Two aquatic races are planned.

I think most of the leader art comes from deviantart? Here's a couple that would be awesome to use, assuming they fit the theme you are going for.

http://steveargyle.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d21b4eo
http://steveargyle.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d25ofrj

 

[Valkrionn]

I think most of the leader art comes from deviantart? Here's a couple that would be awesome to use, assuming they fit the theme you are going for.

http://steveargyle.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d21b4eo
http://steveargyle.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d25ofrj

Not at all, actually.

More like this:

Spoiler :

Yes, both for one civ, the Bezeri. Check them out here

Granted, the second one that you posted could possibly work for the second aquatic civ, I haven't really decided on the race yet, but I think octopuses should be avoided (OO? )

 

[Zai]

Ah, I forgot about that thread.

I didn't even think of OO. You probably already have it all planned out, but it could still work if the civ was tied to the religion a bit, sort of like Illians and The White Hand. They could be octopi trying to become the overlords they worship or something.

I'll just hope for something a little more mermaid-ish for that second one anyway. Probably a lot of good Naga art out there too.

 

[Grey Fox]

Mermaids would never be in RifE. The Princess Rule!!!

 

[Opera]

Do you actually know that mermaids aren't necessarily nice, pretty things...? Just look at me!

 

[Valkrionn]

Ah, I forgot about that thread.

I didn't even think of OO. You probably already have it all planned out, but it could still work if the civ was tied to the religion a bit, sort of like Illians and The White Hand. They could be octopi trying to become the overlords they worship or something.

I'll just hope for something a little more mermaid-ish for that second one anyway. Probably a lot of good Naga art out there too.

The second civ will be tied to OO (seeing as the Bezeri hate it, kinda have to. ), but octopi is still a bit close.

Naga or something would work better, but still not what I'm thinking.