[R&F] Just realised city state bonuses do not stack...
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legalizefreedom
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Building specific ones?
Except that you also use Envoys to "one-up" the computer civs, and the suzerain bonuses do stack as they are unique. Plus you get bonuses with specific Civs and civics as a suzerain.
Art Morte
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Suzerain bonuses play a minimal part in the game. I'm sure this non-stacking is unintentional.
Pericles and his +5% Culture bonus per CS he's suzerain of would disagree with you.
As would anyone using Raj, International Space Agency, and Collective Activism.
And that's not counting access to their resources in case you don't have them, or access to their units for a quick blitz for the warmongers out there.
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Well my science output didnt change at all after getting another level 6 science CS...
WillowBrook
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Are you sure? The display doesn't always update until the next turn. Also, it would only be universities that would get an increase when going to 6 envoys
Leyrann
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Are you certain you had the required buildings?
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Did you have any Research Labs? In R&F the 6 envoy bonus only works on Campuses with all three buildings.
Leyrann
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Universities, actually. It's Capital - Library - University.
thecrazyscot
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They stacked in my last game.
liv
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I am not sure what is exactly is being discussed
But for instance having 6 envoys in two science city states will make the output of your university
4 (normal output)
+2 (from Palelenque)
+2 from Stockholm
total of eight output.
The library similarly gives
standard
2
+2 from Palelenque
+2 from Stockholm
+1 from great scientist
Seven total
So yeah stacks
But for instance having 6 envoys in two science city states will make the output of your university
4 (normal output)
+2 (from Palelenque)
+2 from Stockholm
total of eight output.
The library similarly gives
standard
2
+2 from Palelenque
+2 from Stockholm
+1 from great scientist
Seven total
So yeah stacks
Disgustipated
Deity
Wait, what? All this time I thought they stacked. Is this accurate? This is going to seriously change the way I distribute envoys now. I often didn't even care about Suzerains and always worked get 6 with every single city state (I usually run with 11 in my games). I only cared about a few specific Suzerains, and even those I gave up on if the AI went crazy with them (I once seen 22 AI envoys in one). I usually only focus on Suzerains once I achieve 6 with every single city state. One game I managed 131 total envoys, and I had them evenly spread around.
So now it seems best to just dump them all into 1 city state of each type, ideally of one you with to eventually get Suzerain of.
So now it seems best to just dump them all into 1 city state of each type, ideally of one you with to eventually get Suzerain of.
liv
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How about you read the post I posted above yours????
Disgustipated
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Sorry my page wasn't updated, and only showed new posts were made after I posed mine (yes I was working on something else and had the thread open a while).
In any case, this makes more sense. Otherwise the bonuses as designed would be a strange design decision. It gives something to people who aren't necessarily the Suzerain.
Also need to remember that if you're at war with a CS, you can still give envoys, but I don't believe you get the science from them.
The main thing I don't like about this new system is that it makes research labs just horrible. My last game, I think my universities were worth like +12 science (+4 base, +4 for Newton(?), and 3 city-states at +2 each), whereas research labs were still just +5 science. They really need a better bonus for the top level buildings.
The main thing I don't like about this new system is that it makes research labs just horrible. My last game, I think my universities were worth like +12 science (+4 base, +4 for Newton(?), and 3 city-states at +2 each), whereas research labs were still just +5 science. They really need a better bonus for the top level buildings.
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