How would this work out for the evil Civs, though? It wouldn't make much sense for half of one of Hyborem's cities to ascend, and the other half being left behind. Then again, one would wonder how the cities themselves would also vanish. Maybe they would just be overrun by the barbs in the year following ascension?
Just what is the Tower of Mastery?
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How would this work out for the evil Civs, though? It wouldn't make much sense for half of one of Hyborem's cities to ascend, and the other half being left behind. Then again, one would wonder how the cities themselves would also vanish. Maybe they would just be overrun by the barbs in the year following ascension?
Is it an evilish thing? Could allow you to tap into the powers of Hell itself, thus having mastery over the world!
Is it a goody thing? Could grant you the powers of Heaven itself, thus having mastery over the world!
I imagine the citizens are blessed passage into Heaven and are able to ascend with you and the army?
Is it a goody thing? Could grant you the powers of Heaven itself, thus having mastery over the world!
I imagine the citizens are blessed passage into Heaven and are able to ascend with you and the army?
No, I meant the actual buildings.
there was a books whose name i couldn't forget fast enough, where the population of earth *ascended*, and the fuel for this ascension was the earth. they consumed it. one coud assume something similar here?
another story had them intentionally removing their own foot print to allow the world to revert back to its natural state(that one might have been a game) ofcourse these people left in space ships, point being though, plenty of potential explanations.
vorshlumpf
Emperor
Hey, I really like this one. It would give me a reason, as a good civ, to not want another good civ to build the alter. At least not without taking me with them
Thanks!
(yes, plausible justification of in-game mechanics is very important for me)
That's more or less what happens in the Invisibles. Grant Morrison's take on the insanely fast escalation of wars/environmental degradation/radical polarization of this century is that the human race, like a chick getting ready to hatch, is using up all of the resources it has left in its egg before it breaks out. But it's not something where some people get left behind.
I assumed it just granted the leader of the winning civ total control of all magic. They talk about what was possible in the age of magic when there were only a small number of wizards - now change that number to one and only one, and see what they can do. (Which would also place them above any of the "gods" in the game, since angels and human mages draw upon the same pool of magical power.)
I assumed it just granted the leader of the winning civ total control of all magic. They talk about what was possible in the age of magic when there were only a small number of wizards - now change that number to one and only one, and see what they can do. (Which would also place them above any of the "gods" in the game, since angels and human mages draw upon the same pool of magical power.)
kenken244
Grammar Nazi
i think the tower of master is really lacking in flavor. even if it does not get a story, id like it to t least hvae a more fun mechanic. something llike this might be fun:
add a slew of new mana producing buildings. some of these should overlap and they should be spread amongst many tech lines.
also existing wonders could be changed:
also the required mana would be set to four, so when all 21 manas come out you have 5 on each and one on the tower of mastery
give the individual towers large bonii
make the towers require arcane lore
add a "super mage" hero for each tower buildable only in thata city
as soon as someone builds all four towers, a barbarian magic avatar is released on the world. this happens each time anyone buids all four towers, it should have 0 strength chanelling 1 to three, sorcecry, sommoning, twincast, melee unit, afinnity 1 for every mana. when it is defeated, the unit gets a " magic essence" promotion. when brought to a city you can remove the promotion and put a magic essence building in the city, that gives 5 exp to arcane units built in the city, and allows the civ to build the tower of mastery. if the civ that places it in theircity does not have all four towers, then a new magic avatar is spawned that will not attack a civ with the magic essence building.
add a slew of new mana producing buildings. some of these should overlap and they should be spread amongst many tech lines.
also existing wonders could be changed:
Spoiler :
also the required mana would be set to four, so when all 21 manas come out you have 5 on each and one on the tower of mastery
give the individual towers large bonii
make the towers require arcane lore
add a "super mage" hero for each tower buildable only in thata city
as soon as someone builds all four towers, a barbarian magic avatar is released on the world. this happens each time anyone buids all four towers, it should have 0 strength chanelling 1 to three, sorcecry, sommoning, twincast, melee unit, afinnity 1 for every mana. when it is defeated, the unit gets a " magic essence" promotion. when brought to a city you can remove the promotion and put a magic essence building in the city, that gives 5 exp to arcane units built in the city, and allows the civ to build the tower of mastery. if the civ that places it in theircity does not have all four towers, then a new magic avatar is spawned that will not attack a civ with the magic essence building.
all living, demon or angel units or new units could get level 1 spells randomly over time,
all spellcasters get +4 xp per turn, other units get +1 xp per turn
your units get magic resistence for free
+no mana restriction for spellcasters learning spheres
khzahd can upgrade thier adepts
+some sort of uber effect for collecting mana,
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Rex rgis of Ter
Me I'm a Creator
I always assumed it was so magnificent, other civilizations would lay down their arms and join your glorius empire, seeing that you are to incredible to stop.
Hmmmm, sounds like me.....
Hmmmm, sounds like me.....
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Why a story at all? Tower of mastery and Alter of Luonnotars are simply two spaceship victories, make up your own stories already.
Only thing is, the Tower of Mastery condition is kinda scary with the Amurites, whom already has cave of ancestors. If *they* have mastery over the elements, I don't know what they can do...
Only thing is, the Tower of Mastery condition is kinda scary with the Amurites, whom already has cave of ancestors. If *they* have mastery over the elements, I don't know what they can do...
MagisterCultuum
Great Sage
Personally I wish it had some cool, flavorful effects rather then just being a victory condition (and that you could build it with the victory condition deactivated). I personally never play with either the Altar or Tower victory conditions on, and feel there should be a good reason to build them anyway (there is already reason enough for the altar)
xienwolf
Deity
Each tower should provide all 3 ranks in each of the four spell categories for the tower to any arcane/divine unit entering that city. (so all of your arcane units, and your allies if you open borders I guess, can "go study at the tower" instead of learning in the field)
Tower of Mastery should provide Channeling 3, Sorcery , Summoning, and Divine to any unit visiting the city (so even your poorly little warrior from turn 1 who cowered in your never attacked capiltal can journey to the tower of mastery and be able to now cast every spell in the game... Actually, even your worker can)
Then there is a VERY good reason to build each individual tower (one that outweighs building multiple mana nodes of 1 type, but still required travel to that city, so until teleportation isn't completely overpowering. But also alows you to "retrofit" the sorcerers who already were alive). And the Tower of Mastery becomes insanely powerful enough to justify that you do indeed win the game, even if that one isn't a victory condition.
Reasons to have your civilization not wanting even his friends to build it: A belief that Magic is meant only for those with sufficient time and passion invested. Open it to every worker and they would not control the awesome powers of creation properly (or as an evil Civ... Well, it is power and you want the power for yourself
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Tower of Mastery should provide Channeling 3, Sorcery , Summoning, and Divine to any unit visiting the city (so even your poorly little warrior from turn 1 who cowered in your never attacked capiltal can journey to the tower of mastery and be able to now cast every spell in the game... Actually, even your worker can)
Then there is a VERY good reason to build each individual tower (one that outweighs building multiple mana nodes of 1 type, but still required travel to that city, so until teleportation isn't completely overpowering. But also alows you to "retrofit" the sorcerers who already were alive). And the Tower of Mastery becomes insanely powerful enough to justify that you do indeed win the game, even if that one isn't a victory condition.
Reasons to have your civilization not wanting even his friends to build it: A belief that Magic is meant only for those with sufficient time and passion invested. Open it to every worker and they would not control the awesome powers of creation properly (or as an evil Civ... Well, it is power and you want the power for yourself
)
MagisterCultuum
Great Sage
That may be going a little too far.
MagisterCultuum
Great Sage
Do you mean that units could cast an infinite number of times per turn? Wouldn't that mean the AI would then get stuck in infinite loops and the game would freeze up?
Or did you mean to suggest we go with xienwolf's idea, but not take it so far (like only for arcane units, and no free sorcery, summoning, or especially divine promotions)? I suppose that might be doable.
Or did you mean to suggest we go with xienwolf's idea, but not take it so far (like only for arcane units, and no free sorcery, summoning, or especially divine promotions)? I suppose that might be doable.
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