Kingdom Come: Deception (Game Thread)

[topsecret]

It guess it's possible that really it's just you who has a shortcut win and LA is something else, or it's a two-player third faction, but I think a multiple-person third faction is pretty unlikely in a game that's heavy vanilla, and getting a full claim out of LA about what his mysterious power that only serves himself is could help clear up confusion about the first idea. You pointing that out yourself makes me lean against it, but it's still a possibility to keep in consideration.

Really probably too convoluted, but possible.

And I am not set in stone on LA.
@Dolbster
@RRRaskolnikov
@Timsup2nothin
Who are we putting up against me?

Also @Samson where are you? Do you support Dolbster's claim? You haven't said anything today and it's starting to me (at least) suspicious.

 

[JohannaK]

It is as good a case as any you can make on me. I have been thoroughly bamboozled by today, and I dunno that I could give a good tier list. LA, Samson, Gamez, GK, and MJ are all on this grey area where they could flip either side. I would include me, if I weren't me. LA I am disinclined to pursue atm since he's just following his Standard Operating Procedure (though lying about PRs so brazenly... ), Gamez because he's just back from a looooooong absence, so I give him a pass, plus he is more null than anything, GK is my strongest scum lean but he seems way too brazen. MJ is improving, he's helping.

Topsecret has also been looking bad, but I got a clean genuine feel on D1 and I remain unmoved. Takhisis is on the same category of annoyance as LA, but he's actually being fairly helpful. At worst, he's 3P. Tim started with terrible optics about his nustyle, but he's showing his instincts. Can't be 100% sure but you never can.

I keep changing my mind about Dolbster. I was tempted to pile on early on in the day, at least partly out of last game paranoia, but the claim has, as thry say, thickened the plot. That's why I am willing to hang Samson to test it. Much like Tim, he's showing instinct and, as I think I said yesterday, is doing nothing as smelly as in the last game.

Pzelda has been showing up regularly and doing some work, which aligns more with his townie self, and he's in there with Rask in my tier of solid town.

 

[Golden1Knight]

Speaking of lurking like a smug wolf...we need a lot more from you than a vote that shows you are current on the thread. You are current on the thread, so we need reads. Well reasoned reads on pretty much everyone.

Sorry but not going to happen right now. EoD comes at 6pm to me and until then I'm working

I do manage to check the thread from time to time. I have a half-baked list that I use to not get lost, but you wont find a lot of reasons there. Here it is, behold:

me (town - lol)
csargo (town - doctor ?)
samson (town - mason ?)
dolbster (town - mason ?)

zelda (feels town, agree with his last read)
Marcher (some reads, feels a bit town-ish)
topsecret (town tiebreaker?)
tim (seems town, lots of posting activity coming from here)
raskol (feels solvy as of late, dunno)

LA (self preserving powers - ???)
tak (town dog? - soft mason??)

Johanna (low posting, could be low profile mafia)
gamez (low posting, could be low profile mafia)

Given that, I'd be ok with lynching Jo or Gamez.

that's it for now

 

[JohannaK]

So I guess I would make a tier list like

Rask
Topsecret
Pzelda
Takhisis
Tim
Dolby
MJ
LA
GamezRule
Samson
G1K

 

[JohannaK]

You know, I kept thinking I was forgetting someone. Csargo. He goes between Rask and TS.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Sorry but not going to happen right now. EoD comes at 6pm to me and until then I'm working

Accepted. Regulars here will vouch for me on this though...this straw is burnt. If you get through today on "working until EoD" and then don't come through with a serious contribution afterwards I am gonna be on you like white on rice, and that car door slamming gif that Raskol used to describe what that can be like (from his own experience) is going to suddenly make sense.

@Dolbster we seem to have gotten Jo's attention. Care to join in on LordArgon? Should we put a noose on @GamezRule and see if that gets anything out of him?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It guess it's possible that really it's just you who has a shortcut win and LA is something else, or it's a two-player third faction, but I think a multiple-person third faction is pretty unlikely in a game that's heavy vanilla, and getting a full claim out of LA about what his mysterious power that only serves himself is could help clear up confusion about the first idea. You pointing that out yourself makes me lean against it, but it's still a possibility to keep in consideration.

You are still not addressing the fact that as of now you seem like our only chance to get the letter read. I am stuck between being really curious as to what it says and having no particular faith that you would tell us the truth if I gave it to you to read it.

I am also conflicted about your "maybe a shortcut win if he gets the letter read" idea...because I think a much cleaner victory condition would be "there is a letter in the town, reclaim it from the illiterate villagers before they get it to the priest, who can read it." As in something extra for the wolves to worry about. The priest was the towns literate toff that could have won it for us...maybe you are the literate rebel scum tasked with getting the letter back? Maybe telling you who I am giving the letter to seals their fate?

 

[Dolbster]

Accepted. Regulars here will vouch for me on this though...this straw is burnt. If you get through today on "working until EoD" and then don't come through with a serious contribution afterwards I am gonna be on you like white on rice, and that car door slamming gif that Raskol used to describe what that can be like (from his own experience) is going to suddenly make sense.

@Dolbster we seem to have gotten Jo's attention. Care to join in on LordArgon? Should we put a noose on @GamezRule and see if that gets anything out of him?

Eh, I'll talk about it later but I'm not satisfied. I would care to pressure GR though

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Eh, I'll talk about it later but I'm not satisfied. I would care to pressure GR though

Sold.

Vote: Gamezrule

 

[Samson]

Visor, if you are still reading this I regret not joining the CFD on Topsecret. I'll do my best to make up for it.

@Samson, because you are new I want to point this out to you. As town, getting lynched or night killed doesn't mean that you lost. If the town wins, you win, even if you are dead. As a townie we owe it to Visor and Rakkoon to carry the game for them.

Just to let you know, I had a load of work to do for a zoom meeting today, and am trying to catch up now.

 

[Marcher Jovian]

You are still not addressing the fact that as of now you seem like our only chance to get the letter read. I am stuck between being really curious as to what it says and having no particular faith that you would tell us the truth if I gave it to you to read it.

I am also conflicted about your "maybe a shortcut win if he gets the letter read" idea...because I think a much cleaner victory condition would be "there is a letter in the town, reclaim it from the illiterate villagers before they get it to the priest, who can read it." As in something extra for the wolves to worry about. The priest was the towns literate toff that could have won it for us...maybe you are the literate rebel scum tasked with getting the letter back? Maybe telling you who I am giving the letter to seals their fate?

That's a good point, if LordArgon's just doing shenanigans and is unrelated, we don't actually have any guarantee that the letter is more of a help to town or mafia or if it's just general role information that could help either side. tbh you're kinda right that seems complicated and unlikely and it was orignially just a bit of random speculation but LordArgon posted right after me and just completely failed to address a situation he's central in. He's been all to happy to just let this situation go on despite having the easy opportunity to clean it up and I kinda want to get him on the stand for that alone.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Having just demonstrated how flexible my vote is this seems like a good time to say this...at thirty minutes to EoD I'm going to make a final assessment, and at twenty minutes to EoD I will be locking my vote. If we are going to not only try to hang the right person, but hang them by tying them with TopSecret, the town can't afford to be flailing around with a bunch of people playing CFD games. If there is a last second vote that screws up some plan it needs to be a clear wolf vote that can't be hidden under a bunch of town clumsiness.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That's a good point, if LordArgon's just doing shenanigans and is unrelated, we don't actually have any guarantee that the letter is more of a help to town or mafia or if it's just general role information that could help either side. tbh you're kinda right that seems complicated and unlikely and it was orignially just a bit of random speculation but LordArgon posted right after me and just completely failed to address a situation he's central in. He's been all to happy to just let this situation go on despite having the easy opportunity to clean it up and I kinda want to get him on the stand for that alone.

I agree. It will not take much from Gamez to put me right back onto Argon. I think he's wolfy as can be, and only hesitate because I always want to lynch Argon. One game he claimed he was the town doctor, I believed him, and I still wanted to lynch him. One game I was the host and I wanted to lynch him. It's possible that I'm reading him as wolfy just because I really really want to lynch him.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Spoiler day 1 :

*cough* I should remind people that posts containing graphics should also contain text. Thank you.

Mid Morning Tally
Timsup2nothin (3): LordArgon, Visorslash, Rrraskolnikov
LordArgon (1): Topsecret
Topsecret (1): Golden1Knight
Dolbster (1): JohannaK
Visorslash (1): Csargo
Takhisis (1): Rakkoon
MarcherJovian (1): Samson

Abstaining (4): Dolbster, Timsup2nothin, Pzelda, Takhisis
Not Present (2): MarcherJovian, GamezRule

Afternoon Tally
Timsup2nothin (3): Rrraskolnikov, Pzelda, Takhisis
GamezRule (3): MarcherJovian, Samson, Golden1Knight
Rrraskolnikov (2): Csargo, Visorslash
LordArgon (1): Topsecret
Dolbster (1): JohannaK
Visorslash (1): Rakkoon
MarcherJovian (1): GamezRule
Takhisis (1): Timsup2nothin

Abstaining (2): Dolbster, LordArgon

(I believe that this is the correct tally. Let me know if it isn't.)

Late Afternoon Tally
Takhisis (3): Timsup2nothin, MarcherJovian, Samson
Timsup2nothin (3): Pzelda, Takhisis, GamezRule
Rrraskolnikov (2): Csargo, Visorslash
LordArgon (2): Topsecret, JohannaK
Dolbster (1): Rrraskolnikov
GamezRule (1): Golden1Knight
Visorslash (1): Rakkoon
Rakkoon (1): Dolbster

Abstaining (1): LordArgon

4.5 hours to go. Don't expect constant updates as we get closer to the deadline.

Early Evening Tally
LordArgon (4): Topsecret, JohannaK, Rrraskolnikov, Rakkoon
Takhisis (4): Timsup2nothin, MarcherJovian, Samson, Golden1Knight
Rakkoon (3): Dolbster, LordArgon, Takhisis
Samson (2): Pzelda, GamezRule
Rrraskolnikov (1): Visorslash
GamezRule (1): Csargo

Twilight is in 40 minutes.

Penultimate Tally
Rakkoon (5): Dolbster, LordArgon, Takhisis, Topsecret, Samson
Takhisis (4): Timsup2nothin, MarcherJovian, Golden1Knight, Rrraskolnikov
LordArgon (2): JohannaK, Rakkoon
Samson (2): Pzelda, GamezRule
Rrraskolnikov (1): Visorslash
GamezRule (1): Csargo

Twilight is in 20 minutes.

End of Day One

Rakkoon (5): Dolbster, LordArgon, Takhisis, Samson, Golden1Knight
Takhisis (2): Timsup2nothin, MarcherJovian
LordArgon (2): JohannaK, Rakkoon
Samson (2): Pzelda, GamezRule
Topsecret (2): Visorslash, Rrraskolnikov
GamezRule (1): Topsecret
Rrraskolnikov (1): Csargo

Spoiler day 2 :

I would have posted a tally earlier, but until half an hour ago, there was almost no need to...

Post-Lunch Tally
Topsecret (4): Rrrask, Csargo, GamezRule, Dolbster
Dolbster (2): Topsecret, Timsup2nothin
LordArgon (1): MarcherJovian

Abstaining: Pzelda
Not Voting (5): Lord Argon, Takhisis, Samson, JohannaK, Golden1Knight

I believe this is correct.

Updated Tally
Topsecret (4): Rrrask, Csargo, GamezRule, Golden1Knight
Dolbster (3): Topsecret, Timsup2nothin, Takhisis
LordArgon (1): MarcherJovian
Takhisis (1): Dolbster

Abstaining: Pzelda
Not Voting (3): Lord Argon, Samson, JohannaK

Well, that was an eventful few hours. There are 11 hours left in which to vote.

Afternoon Tally*
Topsecret (4): Rrrask, Csargo, GamezRule, Golden1Knight
Dolbster (3): Topsecret, MarcherJovian, Lord Argon
Timsup2nothin (2): Takhisis, Dolbster
Rrrask (1): Timsup2nothin
Takhisis (1): Pzelda

Not Voting (2): Samson, JohannaK


Also, a point of order: please don't ask me questions in the main thread. You all have private threads for that reason.


(*Errors & Omissions Excepted)

Huh. You're both right. I think that CFC dropped some of my post-in-progress when I was switching pages.

Corrected Tally
Topsecret (4): Rrrask, Csargo, GamezRule, Golden1Knight
Dolbster (2): MarcherJovian, Lord Argon
Rrrask (2): Timsup2nothin, Topsecret
Timsup2nothin (1): Takhisis
Takhisis (1): Pzelda
JohannaK (1): Dolbster

Not Voting (2): Samson, JohannaK

 

[Marcher Jovian]

Unvote
Vote: GamezRule

We have like an hour left in the day and it seems pretty clear that LordArgon isn't happening fast enough, might as well get the information from tying up topsecret and GamezRule.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Could someone who knows how to count cough up a tally please?

Unvote
Vote: GamezRule

We have like an hour left in the day and it seems pretty clear that LordArgon isn't happening fast enough, might as well get the information from tying up topsecret and GamezRule.

Two hours actually, but yeah we need to get sorted out here.

Is anyone else weirded out by the way Marcher's vote follows mine in a sort of lockstep? I'm tempted to vote him just to see what would happen.

 

[Dolbster]

So I guess I would make a tier list like

Rask
Topsecret
Pzelda
Takhisis
Tim
Dolby
MJ
LA
GamezRule
Samson
G1K

Alright, I actually do have a problem with this.

I think that Rask and Jo have been Tring each other to hard
His scumreads are all the quiet people
And there's no reason why me and Samson shouldn't be on the same level of suspicion

For what it’s worth I actually like GK’s tierlist if only for his read on MJ

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Who are we putting up against me?

One of LA/GK? Prolly the former.

You know, I kept thinking I was forgetting someone. Csargo. He goes between Rask and TS.

Csargo better be bullet proof then.

 

[Samson]

Ok it's 4-4 I think, and I don't really want to do this because honestly I'm beginning to think I'm wrong about Tak too, and Rask and Tims are probably going to be the one's driving this shipwreck, along with Zelda and Csargo.

Me and Samson were told that we were town on D1. That's why I've been top-towning him constantly. I've left plenty on hints that I knew his status and I'm putting it out now so he can corrobate this

I corroborate this.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

@Dolbster: I am surprised to be up there too tbh. Sure, I am awesome, but...

I corroborate this.

topsecret and Dolbster liking this feels easy.