Kingdom Come: Deception (Game Thread)

[Timsup2nothin]

Midday Tally
Golden1Knight: Topsecret, Timsup2nothin, Pzelda
Timsup2nothin: Golden1Knight, JohannaK

I believe that this tally is correct. There are 24 hours left.

TS is on me. I may not know what $%$#$% day it is, but I checked and I do have that right.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I am very seriously considering a vote change, but I think I'll hold off till tomorrow morning. I'd rather change once and make it count that do it a dozen times to end up back where I began.

This is good, but I'd actually like to see what the wolves do if you were to change, tentatively.

@pzelda, I know that you are committed to not factoring in flavor, but in this case I think it really helps with the solution.

 

[pzelda]

tbh it usually helps at least a little and it feels like Arakhor is a logic oriented person for literacy to be more than pure flavour. It's a mechanic. If that's what you're talking about.

 

[topsecret]

Hey, yes. I work through EoD tomorrow.

Tim forgetting what day it is and being extremely frantic seems townie, honestly.

Gotta read through the votes and MJ's posts. Then I will make up my mind. I don't think Zelda is just trolling us.
The problem is everyone seems willing to lynch G1K. Hmph.

I will unvote. But I will vote before EoD. Probably before I go to bed tonight at the latest.

 

[topsecret]

Hey, yes. I work through EoD tomorrow.

Tim forgetting what day it is and being extremely frantic seems townie, honestly.

Gotta read through the votes and MJ's posts. Then I will make up my mind. I don't think Zelda is just trolling us.
The problem is everyone seems willing to lynch G1K. Hmph.

I will unvote. But I will vote before EoD. Probably before I go to bed tonight at the latest.

I think someone's trying to get bus credit on G1K.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

tbh it usually helps at least a little and it feels like Arakhor is a logic oriented person for literacy to be more than pure flavour. It's a mechanic. If that's what you're talking about.

That's what I mean. I just think that if I were you and had kept it to myself as long as you already had that I would have made a leap to "okay, maybe three literates plus letter writer, two town one maf...there are a lot more town to begin with after all." With that in mind I would have said "I know I am a villa, and I know Visor was a villa" and I would have been dead certain about G1K. I mean so dead certain that if I had to lie a bit to get his head in a noose I'd probably have done it.

 

[topsecret]

So let me get this straight:
Tim thinks G1K is a wolf.
Jo thinks G1K is a wolf.
Zelda thinks G1K is a wolf
I think G1K is a wolf.

Either someone is bussing or G1K is not a wolf.

 

[topsecret]

So let me get this straight:
Tim thinks G1K is a wolf.
Jo thinks G1K is a wolf.
Zelda thinks G1K is a wolf
I think G1K is a wolf.

Either someone is bussing or G1K is not a wolf.

I know that last part is pretty obvious, but sometimes I have to write these things out.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The only way I saw that G1K was not a wolf was the "okay, three literates to read the letters, two town one maf" path. That could make his admission of literacy a genuine innocent statement, and a literate wolf said "wow I gotta keep this guy around because eventually he gets lynched as the literate wolf." I think that path went out the window, but I dunno.

 

[topsecret]

Assuming there is a thief, that would be a possibility. But how can we know? If they were trying to frame you, they did it very well.

Me x MJ would be a good wagon, good chances of being a t/w, surely not w/w however.

Alright let’s do it
Vote: Golden1Knight

This. Why this? If MJ and G1K are both wolves, why are they promoting themselves as the front two wagons?

I know the obvious answer - bus MJ and gain town cred for G1K. But it still makes me wonder.

And, dear wolves, I'm not done wondering.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

This. Why this? If MJ and G1K are both wolves, why are they promoting themselves as the front two wagons?

I know the obvious answer - bus MJ and gain town cred for G1K. But it still makes me wonder.

And, dear wolves, I'm not done wondering.

Because that was the clear tone of the thread at that time anyway. Two literates (in theory) and one is the literate wolf. They were gonna be the lead wagons and I'd guess they both knew it. Play it for town cred whichever way it goes. Survivor very solidly plays "there are not gonna be two literates among the wolves, there's barely room for two plus Gamez in the entire town." Of course that doesn't work for G1K because he had already admitted being literate and would expect to be immediately turbolynched unless another literate player showed up.

 

[topsecret]

Because that was the clear tone of the thread at that time anyway. Two literates (in theory) and one is the literate wolf. They were gonna be the lead wagons and I'd guess they both knew it. Play it for town cred whichever way it goes. Survivor very solidly plays "there are not gonna be two literates among the wolves, there's barely room for two plus Gamez in the entire town." Of course that doesn't work for G1K because he had already admitted being literate and would expect to be immediately turbolynched unless another literate player showed up.

Hmm. That's possible.

 

[topsecret]

Redoing voting patterns. Added Mid-day 4 with G1K and MJ's two competing wagons, since I was discussing that here and Tim mentioned something about it.

Early Tallies

Early Evening Tally
LordArgon (4): Topsecret, JohannaK, Rrraskolnikov, Rakkoon
Takhisis (4): Timsup2nothin, MarcherJovian, Samson, Golden1Knight
Rakkoon (3): Dolbster, LordArgon, Takhisis
Samson (2): Pzelda, GamezRule
Rrraskolnikov (1): Visorslash
GamezRule (1): Csargo

Rakkoon (5): Dolbster, LordArgon, Takhisis, Topsecret, Samson
Takhisis (4): Timsup2nothin, MarcherJovian, Golden1Knight, Rrraskolnikov
LordArgon (2): JohannaK, Rakkoon
Samson (2): Pzelda, GamezRule
Rrraskolnikov (1): Visorslash
GamezRule (1): Csargo

Pre-Super Tie
Corrected Tally
Topsecret (4): Rrrask, Csargo, GamezRule, Golden1Knight
Dolbster (2): MarcherJovian, LordArgon
Rrrask (2): Timsup2nothin, Topsecret
Timsup2nothin (1): Takhisis
Takhisis (1): Pzelda
JohannaK (1): Dolbster

Not Voting (2): Samson, JohannaK

Super Tie
Rrraskolnikov (2): LordArgon, Topsecret
GamezRule (2): MarcherJovian, Timsup2nothin
Topsecret (2): Csargo, GamezRule
JohannaK (2): Samson, Dolbster
Timsup2nothin (2): Takhisis, Rrraskolnikov
Takhisis (2): Pzelda, JohannaK
Golden1Knight (1): Golden1Knight

As for why the mafia didn't switch, they probably just decided to believe me. I don't think that means none of them were up or not, but they couldn't afford to switch because they knew they'd suffer the wrath of the town.

Super useful: Link to Rask's Tally Post

Day Three

End of Day Three
LordArgon (4): Takhisis, Samson, Pzelda, Timsup2nothin
MarcherJovian (4): Golden1Knight, JohannaK, GamezRule, LordArgon
Golden1Knight (1): Topsecret
Timsup2nothin (1): Csargo

Mid-day Four

Mid-Morning Tally
MarcherJovian (4): Topsecret, GamezRule, Golden1Knight, Takhisis
Golden1Knight (2): Timsup2nothin, MarcherJovian
Timsup2nothin (1): JohannaK

Not Voting (2): Pzelda, Csargo

 

[Golden1Knight]

What a mess.

Hey G1K did you ever really prove you could read? I know I passed you the letter I had, but did you read it before Gamez had already told us what it said?

Gamez sent me another letter, I posted here the content and he confimed, so I'm 100% literate.

Okay, here goes nothin'.

I said somewhere long about day one or two that wasting time down the "who can read" rabbithole that Argon's shenanigans had created was a bad idea.

I cleared Gamez, for my own senses, when he outed himself as the letter writer to end the confusion about the letter as best he could. That clear was accepted by a lot of people, and guaranteed that no wolf wanted to take Gamez into LYLO and eventually got him NKed.

And here we are at LYLO with literacy being a key element in the decision making, even after it has been a perpetual cause of chaos from day one on. How does that happen?

I got a letter, and went on my own literacy rampage. G1K was worried about the possibility that the letter really was a clue and admitted that he could read to get his hands on it before we knew that letters were meaningless drivel pumped by Gamez. Now, a townie may very well want a clue containing letter, so that at the time seemed like a sensible play.

Then two things happen. I make a mistake in saying MJ can read, and it occurs to G1K that admitting he could read may have been a mistake because one letter writer plus one reader for each side actually makes sense. Note that MJ never corrects my mistake, and neither does G1K, who had actually cared enough about the literacy question to suggest that "the wolves have their own literate." No clearing up confusion by reminding everyone that he had indeed mentioned being literate until long after the confusion was getting stale...and was about to get MJ lynched.

Now all of a sudden we have "oh, yeah, that was me that was literate" and "how did you know I was literate in the first place" and the confusion goes on. Which reader should we lynch? I dunno, lynch someone else and we'll figure it out later...maybe there's two town literates (Visor was one)...or maybe we shoulda just lynched them both and called it a good job.

Then we lynch MJ and find out that he wasn't literate at all. G1K should have been immediately spot lynched, and there is only one reason that he wasn't, and that he still hasn't been. Pzelda pops out of the woodwork and says "oh, yeah, by the way I can read."

And the beat goes on.

If we lynch in the literates, the "other literate" is cleared, so long as it is G1K that is lynched. Pzelda just has to glib out of having not been NKed for being the towniest....some sort of WIFOM play, I assume.

If we don't lynch in the literates, we lose.

Pzelda did the single wolfiest thing in the entire game, he claimed literate to keep us from lynching G1K on the spot. And he almost got away with it.

@Golden1Knight what's your take here?

Its a really nice theory. The problem is that wolf Zelda would not claim to be literate unless to save a me-wolf, and since I'm not a wolf none of this works. I dont see wolfZelda claiming literacy this late just for the sake of it, too risky with all that literate lynch talk going on.

Hey, yes. I work through EoD tomorrow.

Tim forgetting what day it is and being extremely frantic seems townie, honestly.

Gotta read through the votes and MJ's posts. Then I will make up my mind. I don't think Zelda is just trolling us.
The problem is everyone seems willing to lynch G1K. Hmph.

I will unvote. But I will vote before EoD. Probably before I go to bed tonight at the latest.

I agree with Tim looking very town with his confusion and panic posting lol

The theory also sounded like a real attempt at solving, so for the sake of my sanity I'm going with a townTim scenario from now on. If he faked it all then he deserves that victory

So let me get this straight:
Tim thinks G1K is a wolf.
Jo thinks G1K is a wolf.
Zelda thinks G1K is a wolf
I think G1K is a wolf.

Either someone is bussing or G1K is not a wolf.

I'm not a wolf. That explains all mafia wolfing me right now, if I somehow survive today and we get a wolf, I'm still easy lynch tomorrow

Because that was the clear tone of the thread at that time anyway. Two literates (in theory) and one is the literate wolf. They were gonna be the lead wagons and I'd guess they both knew it. Play it for town cred whichever way it goes. Survivor very solidly plays "there are not gonna be two literates among the wolves, there's barely room for two plus Gamez in the entire town." Of course that doesn't work for G1K because he had already admitted being literate and would expect to be immediately turbolynched unless another literate player showed up.

Ok, so this literacy stuff got wild.

Me-wolf building an entire case on MJ due to him being literate and not reading the letter, getting him lynched, then revealing to all town that we wasnt literate at all, to just bus him or something? I dont see how making myself a suspect and getting my wolf buddy killed would make any sense. After I pushed his lynch I was still not read as town, and the one mafia literate theory meant that I was going to be lynch material till the end of the game. Me-wolf would rather never confirm literacy and just lynch my wolf buddy, thus becoming the next townie town sensation. Or even better, I would not have even pursued my wolf buddy at all, since it was really viable to carry MJ to the end of the game, his name only coming up the suspects list because of the letter situation (I still cant figure out why he lied about being able to read, but if I was on that QT I would have seriously advised against it lol).

What I do know however is that the wolves are having a good time watching us in this mess with all the letter writing chaos that somehow survived all the way to LYLO.

The best we have is a literacy theory that depends on a mechanic that we do not completely understand, with a slim hope that the wolves necessarily have at least one writer. This is madness

 

[Golden1Knight]

Also unvote

 

[topsecret]

vote: JohannaK

Everyone, please re-read the tallies I posted above and see if you come to the same conclusion. If not, let me know what they point to. I shall divulge later.

 

[topsecret]

@Golden1Knight Didn't get your letter
Anyways considering that I have an approximately 99% chance of getting mislynched today considering I never got a letter to read, I'm gonna
vote:JohannaK
I'm leaning towards exactly one of the remaining literate people is probably scum, but I'm not sure enough which is which to make the call. I am much more confident that Johanna is very likely scum. He jumped onto my wagon very quickly yesterday the moment it got moving, leading it to become a 5-3 runaway wagon before getting reined back in. He's been constantly pushing for me and Tim's lynchings but has never taken the time to actually present a full analysis and case, despite there being plenty of evidence on either of us to go around. He's just been causing chaos all game.

Also last caveat to people who say that letter thief would be a terrible role—the priest got killed n1. I don't think there'd be a whole literacy mechanic for just one role and if anyone else had a literacy-related power it'd probably be the priest. It could be that the role was meant to balance a power that got killed off n1.

And then there's posts like this that make me doubt whether I'm just insane.

Highly considering random.org at this point.

 

[Golden1Knight]

lol I dont know if I would confirm the one literate wolf theory as a wolf myself, odds that my literate wolf buddy would get his ass lynched for that

Also I cant even tell if this post makes Jo less our more suspicious

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Truth be told I wanna lynch Pzelda. I'm not gonna make a big thing of it, and I'm not sure I'm right, but I just can't get around that "oh by the way I can read" bomb.

 

[topsecret]

Alright, let's re-do the tally examination. What do you notice specifically about Wagons that MJ is on?