Kingdom Come: Deception (Game Thread)

[Timsup2nothin]

Alright, let's re-do the tally examination. What do you notice specifically about Wagons that MJ is on?

You mean besides Tak's point about how I was on them with him? Sneaking up on me is not a good look TS.

 

[topsecret]

You mean besides Tak's point about how I was on them with him? Sneaking up on me is not a good look TS.

No, no. Who is not on them? Me, for one, but two others never appear on a wagon with MJ. (At least the meaningful wagons that I quoted above.) Zelda and Jo never vote with MJ. Does that mean anything, necessarily? No. But it is something to think about.

 

[topsecret]

Here's the deal. If I take Zelda as town and trust his read on you Tim, that means Jo and G1K must be the mafia.
If I trust your conspiracy theory on Zelda as mafia, the only partner that makes sense is Jo.
G1K insists he's innocent, so if I believe him, we have Zelda/Jo/Tim. Tim is for a Zelda or G1K lynch, which means if I accept G1K's claim, Jo is likely one of the mafia.

In fact, the only world in which Jo is not mafia is if the final two mafiosos are G1K and Tim.

So the smartest vote from my POV is Jo.

 

[topsecret]

Here's the deal. If I take Zelda as town and trust his read on you Tim, that means Jo and G1K must be the mafia.
If I trust your conspiracy theory on Zelda as mafia, the only partner that makes sense is Jo.
G1K insists he's innocent, so if I believe him, we have Zelda/Jo/Tim. Tim is for a Zelda or G1K lynch, which means if I accept G1K's claim, Jo is likely one of the mafia.

In fact, the only world in which Jo is not mafia is if the final two mafiosos are G1K and Tim.

So the smartest vote from my POV is Jo.

Oh and G1K and Tim both seem happy to lynch the other and have been after it multiple days.

Why does wolf-Tim propose a bus of his other mafia partner as the alt wagon to MJ?
He doesn't. Regardless of Tim's alignment, Jo's the best vote for me.

In effect Tim, I am (temporarily) clearing you until after the lynch because it makes the most sense. If you are a wolf, I wanna nail down your partner.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Unfortunately I have one other potential partner for a Wolf Pzelda...if said wolf actually is literate, which seems hard for me to get my head around.

Here's the thing. We pretty much all I think are operating from the idea that the wolves have a literate wolf. We've been operating that way for a long time. I'm pissing around trying to decide if Marcher is the literate wolf or G1K is. We find out Marcher isn't literate after all and I'm ready to turbokill G1K, but wait, Pzelda all of a sudden can read. So I'm pissing around some more because Pzelda was seeming really towny, but that bombshell was really wolfy, but man I was so ready to kill G1K it's hard to think of him as towny.

Dither dither dither.

But here's the thing. Pzelda "knows" that he is town, right? Why hasn't he been screaming for G1K's hide? G1K was about to be lynched as the literate wolf when another literate person stopped the bullet...gut G1K knows he is town, right? Why is he dithering around like the rest of us illiterate dopes.

Why does it seem like neither one of them can figure out that the other is obviously the literate wolf?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Sorry guys, I am totally down this rabbithole...I cannot think of any way that a vote tally or a half hearted push or anything else is going to divert me from the fact that Pzelda popped up as literate right after dawn of day five, and ALL DAY long while we floundered about with Takhisis and uncertainty and blah blah blah Pzelda and G1K in every world I can think of should have been at each other's throats. If y'all wanna do something else outvote me, but for my money I vote one then the other.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Votezelda

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, that's different.

 

[pzelda]

I've never tried to save Golden Knight. I gave him a lot of credit for voting Marcher.
Topsecret has a point about, Jo. I gave that one credit for voting Marcher too.
Together I probably gave credit two wolves, who were bussing all along. I mean we basically cornered wolves d3 and it lead to two lynches of baddies. We probably got them cornered now and they're trying to bus each other again.

Or if I go paranoid, Tim's mafia trying to get me vote him to cause as much chaos as possible.
Welp, let me tell you one thing. I very much prefer it when we vote Golden Knight in unison. It can prove both my point about bussing and tim's literacy theory.

Here's the deal. If I take Zelda as town and trust his read on you Tim, that means Jo and G1K must be the mafia.
If I trust your conspiracy theory on Zelda as mafia, the only partner that makes sense is Jo.
G1K insists he's innocent, so if I believe him, we have Zelda/Jo/Tim. Tim is for a Zelda or G1K lynch, which means if I accept G1K's claim, Jo is likely one of the mafia.

In fact, the only world in which Jo is not mafia is if the final two mafiosos are G1K and Tim.

So the smartest vote from my POV is Jo.

Or we could go for Jo. Taking a look at this, what if there's another traitor? Would it be impossible for the wolf team to only have two core members and two lost wolves? Because I see bussing in every possible combination. The last two wolves trying to survive not as team but independently makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

When did it become my literacy theory? I started out the day saying "there's two groups, the claimed literate and the three probably illiterate and we need to find the wolf among the three illiterate first" and no one said "huh, what do you mean there's a literate wolf?" Everyone has been acting for days on the basic idea that we were looking for the literate wolf. It wasn't my idea when we were bouncing Marcher off of G1K. Nobody questioned the 'literate wolf' idea anywhere along the path.

The only part of this that is mine is that I really want to know how the guy who proposed the literate wolf theory in the first place...if he is town...having just fought for his life against "the other literate" turned around with Marcher not even cold in the ground and saw you drop "oh by the way I can read" and didn't flip right the heck out. If he is so town and the supposed literate wolf just popped as an obviously illiterate henchman he had to be seeing the writing on the wall...and all of a sudden there you are like a gift...that he ignores? How's that even happen?

On the other side, we are in position to just turbo lynch G1K, seriously...and you drop that you are literate. I cannot fathom how we all wandered off in the general direction of Tak, except of course for the fact that townTak never does thing one to help the town so it seemed reasonable. But how did you just forget all about the "find the literate wolf" project when from your point of view there was only one suspect?

 

[JohannaK]

We're five people left and there is a quadruple tie.

I've got to give it to Tim, he's giving us a lot better stuff to think about than in Franklin LYLO. He's giving fairly clean vibes today. The real problem is who to go after, then? Pzelda was a paragon of towniness til 12 hours ago. TS has a point: if everyone thinks GK is a wolf, is he? And how has Topsecret come out of this carroussel of paranoia free of suspicion?

Alright, let's re-do the tally examination. What do you notice specifically about Wagons that MJ is on?

Tim tends to be on them.

Tim, G1K, Samson, Rrrask, and LordArgon are all the people who voted along with MJ at some point. Neither you, nor Pzelda, not me voted with him. Neither did Takhisis, nor GamezRule, nor... you get the idea. This says nothing, and it points as much to you as it does anyone else.

This is just not good logic.

I'm going to leave my vote parked on Tim because a quadruple tie where I'm the lynch amuses me right now.

I'm really clueless. I'm almost seeing a TS-GK world. All bets are off.

 

[JohannaK]

Actually, this one amuses me more: unvote; vote: Topsecret

 

[JohannaK]

Sure, sure, OMGUS OMGUS. Yeah, actually, yeah. I dont wanna think about this game right now, that's all.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If anyone thinks that wolfTim finds himself on a two man wagon with a wolf buddy while Rakkoon is running away I am genuinely offended. The two man wagons during the collective insanity of the supertie mean as little or less.

Jo, where do you go if TS flips red? I think a TS Pzelda team is more likely. Flip Pzelda, and if he is some illiterate hedge bandit G1K must die. If he really is red literate than G1K is a good guy.

 

[Arakhor]

Afternoon Tally
Golden1Knight: Pzelda
JohannaK: Topsecret
Pzelda: Timsup2nothin
Topsecret: JohannaK

Abstaining: Golden1Knight

There are 11.5 hours left. If people want an extension to the day, please let me know, but there will be no reduction without everyone agreeing.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

This town is a trainwreck.

 

[JohannaK]

Is it possible that TS-Pzelda is a real thing? I cant get it out of my head now. They're the ones I trusted, but why else would TS suddenly come out with the bad logic on me?

Looking back on it, they've been rolling with whatever lynch was on offer, they've avoided throwing shade at each other. Is it genuine or is it a ruse? Am I being set up for tomorrow?

Sometimes I hate this game.

 

[JohannaK]

Well, Tim, you read my mind.

unvote; vote: Pzelda

 

[JohannaK]

Afternoon Tally
Golden1Knight: Pzelda
Timsup2nothin: Golden1Knight
JohannaK: Topsecret
Pzelda: Timsup2nothin
Topsecret: JohannaK

There are 11.5 hours left. If people want an extension to the day, please let me know, but there will be no reduction without everyone agreeing.

G1K unvoted

 

[Arakhor]

Did he? Apparently, my tallying skills are getting worse as the game goes on!

(Tally updated.)