Kingdom Come: Deception (Game Thread)

[Timsup2nothin]

Hey @Arakhor are we doing night chat, twilight chat, or silent nights?

 

[pzelda]

Dolbster - little scary for putting so much out so early but unlike Tim in his super early list, Dolby is commenting on the game.
Visor got the ball rolling, he's town. I think that him taking back his townread makes him good look too. I was flattered by it, but there wasn't anything I deserved it for.

dont blieve any of the questions hes asking he cares about

feeeeeeeels wolfy


this post is just wolfy

And Visor making me take a fresh look at TS is also a good thing. I still more townlean him than sr, but I also will try to keep track of his questions and how he evaluates players based on answers.


So far Tim mostly failed to change my mind, but I admit that he's active and that some of that activity is pro-town. I'm willing to give him a day. Him voting, who is a very common d1 mislynch, is cheap.

Jovian and Samson looks worse atm as they jumped on the bargain wagon
UNVOTE
VOTE SAMSON

He doesn't even have his own reason for voting Tak. I mindmelded with Rask in this regard.

That Rask is looking at past games is a good look.

Didn't realize that Rakk was voting Visor when Tak/Tims is 3/3. Might, at the very least, rethink the Tim/rakk connection

And Dolbster is a paragon of towniness.

Sounds townie. Also Rakkoon's vote was weird, but it looks like he kinda miscounted the votes and that's not really scummy (supposing here he wanted to make a three way tie)

Unvote.

Vote: Takhisis to reestablish a tie. Now it's illiterate hater vs illiterate

Der Goldener Ritter is bandwagonning too. His reason is acceptable.

 

[pzelda]

To sum it up: Takhisis probably town because of the way people piled up on him. I like content from Visor, Dolbster, Csargo and Rask.
I'm split on Tim.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim: Tak is slanking, I'm voting for him.
Tak: <crickets>
Pzelda: That's a cheap vote and a solid defense.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

I've been puzzling over what makes someone read "towney." (...) The only thing I recognize is that town players really really want to solve the game, find a wolf, get it right.

TL;DR it feels fake Tim. I d rather get tunneled.

 

[pzelda]

Tim: Tak is slanking, I'm voting for him.
Tak: <crickets>
Pzelda: That's a cheap vote and a solid defense.

Tak doesn't have a solid defense, but he gets mislynched almost every game. There's a chance he's a wolf, but people don't vote him for wolfy behaviour. They vote him for inactivity.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

TL;DR it feels fake Tim. I d rather get tunneled.

Wait your turn.

Tak doesn't have a solid defense, but he gets mislynched almost every game. There's a chance he's a wolf, but people don't vote him for wolfy behaviour. They vote him for inactivity.

For him inactivity is wolfy behavior. When he is town he runs around acting wolfy.

 

[pzelda]

Towny can be tone, interactions with others, solving, activity in general and most importantly perspective.

For him inactivity is wolfy behavior. When he is town he runs around acting wolfy.

I will take a look at his posts.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Towny can be tone, interactions with others, solving, activity in general and most importantly perspective.

So, what on that list does Tak have going for him?

 

[pzelda]

And I disagree. You base your read on meta, yet you experienced him being inactive for days as town yourself.

 

[topsecret]

You know it's fun when you have five alerts while playing mafia.

@topsecret can you finish this thought.

Sure. I like his participation so far. He's new to mafia but not new to analyzing and you can tell. Or he's being coached well

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And I disagree. You base your read on meta, yet you experienced him being inactive for days as town yourself.

Yeah, the game where his internet failed out and we all wondered what had become of him.

 

[pzelda]

So, what on that list does Tak have going for him?

Not much I admit. It's more that people voting him don't have much going for them either. Most of them are like blank pages or worse to me. Not a single tl of mine suspects him.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Or he's being coached well

Conceding?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Not much I admit. It's more that people voting him don't have much going for them either. Most of them are like blank pages or worse to me. Not a single tl of mine suspects him.

I have multiple good reasons to vote for him, and stated them clearly enough that people with not much else to go on have followed along.

 

[topsecret]

Conceding?

If you want, you can continue to twist everything I say as a secret revelation of being mafia, or not.

It's up to you, but if you lynch me, I'll flip town. I'll concede that.

 

[Csargo]

I've been puzzling over what makes someone read "towney." I am accustomed to be read as "the towniest" and never really could figure out why. It was really handy as a wolf, because I just did what I always did, got read as the towniest, and then lead the lynch mob to whoever I wanted to get rid of. It's only been handy once as an actual townie, because only one time did I happen to lead the lynch mob to an actual wolf in time to get a win for the town. I set out not to be leading the lynch mob, and I've failed since I still find myself with the mob at my heels...in a much different way, admittedly.

Being a totally paranoid player I read pretty much everyone as a wolf. That, I think, is why I don't understand "town reads" or "town cred," because I usually just assume its a wolf putting on a front. So I have spent day one really studying "town play." The only thing I recognize is that town players really really want to solve the game, find a wolf, get it right. I've been studying instead of trying, and right enough I'm "less townie" for it.

Ultimately, "trying hard" is at least simulated by volume posting. One third of the players account for two thirds of the posts, and among that one third the only one getting serious suspicion is me. Players who haven't been around for the recent games may find it hard to believe, but that supports my point. Normally I account for a third of the posts by myself, so even though I'm at the top of the postcount to the people who have been around it still looks like I am not trying.

Problem is, of course, that I maxed the count just as hard as a wolf, so that's not really a reliable indicator of trying.


This is trying. There is no question that he read the thread. I read the thread obsessively when I am town. I'm desperately looking for clues, looking at your posts on day one and comparing them to your posts later trying to find an inconsistently to hang you from. I had to force myself to read the thread as a wolf because I already knew who I wanted to hang. My paranoia, of course, says that a wolf can do a summary as a fake effort, but this seems like a lot of effort as a fake, especially since it sets a precedent. He's committed to being a "summarizer" for the duration.




This is trying. This is trying bloody hard.

That's my town reads.

I don't think either of these people are worthy of townreads tbh. The first three Samson posts are easily made as either alignment. Voting no posters and a theory about post numbers. The last one is good, just a basic summary with a few thoughts.

Marcher's post is on a slightly higher level, but essentially the same.

 

[topsecret]

And? Wolf-Tim and Town-Tim could have both done it.

What are you up to TS?



This seems a lot like Franklin you...

Throwing people after each other.

You'll notice there that I used hints and twisted influence, versus in this game I've been more open-ended in questions. What do you think? is different than trying to control the narrative.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I have three "areas of concern."

One) Is someone genuinely wolfy? This one is usually too easy for me, since by my paranoid view I can build a case against almost anybody. Is "Tak is too quiet" a thin case? Maybe, but it is at least as thick a case as I can make against any of my numerous other suspects.

Two) If I'm wrong will it be a huge loss in a mislynch? This one is also easy. Tak as town is an agent provocateur. He acts wolfy to see what people do, knowing that later down the line after he is lynched other people will use that to find wolves. So he gets early mislynched all the time anyway...minimal loss if it happens now. Especially since for whatever reason he isn't even providing that.

Three) Will flipping him tell us about other people? I definitely have some questions that people will have to answer if he flips wolf, so yeah.

All three areas say vote Tak.

 

[pzelda]

Takhisis...to quote Arakhor, lynch the lurkers and liars. He lied about not reading the thread. That's a "lie no one will take seriously so not like a real lie," but it is a lie and he has followed it by acting like it was the truth, and using it as a cover for lurking and not being the usual instigator Tak. Then he lied again when he got called on it and claimed that he "has accomplished something." I took the challenge and reread his posts and the context. "I have accomplished something but you have to figure out what" is BS for "yeah, haven't done anything but sow some confusion." It's wolfy Tak, not just Tak playing hammy villager. But also, as you say, if he's playing hammy villager to that degree he isn't helping anyway so as usual I am tempted to lynch him anyway.

I also have a connection to explore if Tak were to flip wolf. Don't want to stir that pot yet in case he flips town.

Ok, I'll take a look at Tak's post.
Bolded isn't really towny attitude unless policy lynches are your style.
You're really meta heavy today. I wonder if it's because of your new style or because meta is something you can always use as wolf. If you're town, I'd like to warn you that overusing meta isn't that good for becoming a better player as it makes you reliant on knowing other players.

What I find towny is the last line. You're clearly making some early associations and are excited about it.