Kingdom Come: Deception (Game Thread)

[pzelda]

We spent all of day three talking about lynching the literate wolf. How could you start day four thinking it wasn't important? I mean, I get it, I'm tunneled...but I just don't see any way out of it because that's just too strange for me to get past.

I guess I haven't paid much attention d3. The game got quite active when I was sleeping and I probably missed that the literacy was the main point. I appreciated how gamez caught jovian at one point and Golden Knight looked like he couldn't be with him because of his merciless reaction to that.
I know you pushed Golden Knight as a literate wolf d4, but I don't think you pushed him as Marcher's partner back then.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

By the way, I actually have very little experience of you as town. I know you like to play town better, but for as long as I have been playing you have seemed to be suffering a vendetta from the RNG because you have randed wolf darn near every time.

 

[JohannaK]

Ughhhh, I don't like where we're at. I don't like anything about today.

unvote

I gotta think where I park. I'm supposedly in class so I won't be back in at least 30 minutes, but I'll be back.

 

[pzelda]

My bad, I am off by a day there. Day four we finally "resolved" the literate wolf theory. We lynched a wolf that turned out illiterate. The next day by all sensible thinking we should have just turboed the other candidate for "literate wolf."

Why didn't we? Because all of a sudden we had yet another candidate.

But why didn't you?

That's easy. Tak was openly anti-town at that point. He had nothing to resolve himself despite claiming multiple powers. I gave GK at least some credit for pushing Marcher and literate wolf lying about their literacy seemed like more plausible theory.

 

[JohannaK]

vote: Pzelda

nah, I better stay on. no wiffle-waffle voting

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I guess I haven't paid much attention d3. The game got quite active when I was sleeping and I probably missed that the literacy was the main point. I appreciated how gamez caught jovian at one point and Golden Knight looked like he couldn't be with him because of his merciless reaction to that.
I know you pushed Golden Knight as a literate wolf d4, but I don't think you pushed him as Marcher's partner back then.

I didn't push him as Marcher's partner because I was pushing on him as the one wolf between the two literates. I got overruled, which was fine. It was really fine when Marcher flipped as not likely literate, because I still had my literate wolf and the cover Marcher gave him was gone. I was about to just bury him when you popped up, seriously.

 

[pzelda]

By the way, I actually have very little experience of you as town. I know you like to play town better, but for as long as I have been playing you have seemed to be suffering a vendetta from the RNG because you have randed wolf darn near every time.

I was town in Star Trek and Mario, where I pushed Zack majority of the game only to always find something towny about him and ending up voting someone else.

I didn't push him as Marcher's partner because I was pushing on him as the one wolf between the two literates. I got overruled, which was fine. It was really fine when Marcher flipped as not likely literate, because I still had my literate wolf and the cover Marcher gave him was gone. I was about to just bury him when you popped up, seriously.

What changed your mind? I don't think Golden have done anything to convince you of his towniness since.
And what do you thing about Marcher voting Johanna only after having him as his wolfiest read for a cycle?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That's easy. Tak was openly anti-town at that point. He had nothing to resolve himself despite claiming multiple powers. I gave GK at least some credit for pushing Marcher and literate wolf lying about their literacy seemed like more plausible theory.

I agree about Tak, and I got distracted by Tak, and I put plenty of blame for that on Tak. But I didn't have an easy decision about which literate claim was more likely to be the literate wolf. You did, since you knew it wasn't you it had to be the other guy...unless another literate person had just failed to mention it.

You say you thought maybe Tak had done that...now...but you never said that the whole day while we were working on lynching him. You just let the literate wolf question die.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I was town in Star Trek and Mario, where I pushed Zack majority of the game only to always find something towny about him and ending up voting someone else.

Star Trek is a weird blur to me, honestly. My first (only) win as town you were a wolf, and my first (only) win as a wolf you were a wolf. Those games stand out more for me. And there are people who (I think) have been in every game I've been involved in who have still not randed wolf.

What changed your mind? I don't think Golden have done anything to convince you of his towniness since.
And what do you thing about Marcher voting Johanna only after having him as his wolfiest read for a cycle?

What changed my mind was looking at what I first said about today..."we have two claimed literates and the other three, one wolf in each group." I was pushing that we needed to resolve the more complicated problem today, that being the group I was in, when it occurred to me that if I was in the other group that group would be no problem at all. So I thought I should take a look at which of you was acting like you had a "no problem at all, I'm not a wolf so he is" approach going...and neither of you did.

How does that happen?

 

[pzelda]

I thought I made my stance clear enough, when you pointed it out for the first time that wolves could lie about their literacy as there was no way to find out who is faking illiteracy. I guess I could distract you from Golden there, but I also wanted to flip Tak and then one of Jo and Knight. I think I was quite clear about players I townread and scumread yesterday with a poe, which still stands.

I haven't really changed my mind I just feel like insulting you a little for suspecting me.

Jo and Tak made sense as paired fake claims btw. It's a part of tunnel I didn't said out loud because it was wifom based on flavour.

 

[pzelda]

What changed my mind was looking at what I first said about today..."we have two claimed literates and the other three, one wolf in each group." I was pushing that we needed to resolve the more complicated problem today, that being the group I was in, when it occurred to me that if I was in the other group that group would be no problem at all. So I thought I should take a look at which of you was acting like you had a "no problem at all, I'm not a wolf so he is" approach going...and neither of you did.

How does that happen?

I guess it's because I'm not solving it as a mechanical problem. Sometimes I get into mechanics a lot and vote people for mechanical reason, when I feel like they can solve the game or when I rand wolf. Here, I have some reads I've been building since d1. Topsecret impressed me early on, disgusted a while later and then he started building up his towniness by trying to prove it via his claim really hard. You were more difficult to sort this game than I expected you to be, but your call for townreads yesterday made me among other things tr. I've never came across such moments or real sense of progression with Golden Knight. Johanna's struggling today. After seeing a chance, He voted everyone trying to get votes off him and Golden Knight.

Btw, I don't think I've ever seen Johanna wolf and this could be in his town range, but I think he's completely inconsistent, when it comes to his moment of towniness and I struggled to follow his progression for more than a day this game and that was when he voted Marcher. Reason for him to land there were right and convinced me for a while.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That's fair. Insulting each other for bad town play is the towny thing to do here. I'm sure if you do flip literate red ang G1K gets NKed this will get pointed out as "distancing theater" by someone saying that I am the wolf in the three. Nature of the game.

And I am plagued by uncertainty.

However, I have tried to solve the game using better methods. Everyone left alive looks wolfy. No one has done anything I can see that says "only a villager would do that."

So I am left with my one most wolfy thing, which may just have been a villager being a villager, because villagers do totally wolfy things all the time, either for arcane villager reasons or because they just are blissfully unaware of how they look.

 

[JohannaK]

I'd rather vote someone else, but I don't think that I can. I feel like it's either one or the other.

 

[Golden1Knight]

This sounds like a lie. I think you haven't noticed it because you can't really scumread players as wolf and for that reaon you either sheeped cases of other people or bussed.

Not really lol

But why the late literacy reveal? Being literate doesnt mean much in the sense of being scum (if there was a literate wolf, why the illiterate one would ask for a letter? The more I think about it the less sense it makes)

I was absolutely convinced that it's Golden Knight with Johanna entering this day, but your terrible tunnel made me consider other options too. I don't know what it is if not powerwolfing to deflect votes from the two of them like this.
I still think it's Jo and Knight and that you're town but I'm frustrated by your unfair tunnel as there's no way I can defend myself as it's based on a single action I don't really find important.

At least we both suspect Jo.

Also, that single action was important given that half of town's reasoning was about literacy, and still seems to be

 

[Timsup2nothin]

We should make this easy. With TS gone to work and his vote on Jo, if he is wrong the two wolves can just stop fighting and vote Jo to end the game.

 

[JohannaK]

At least we both suspect Jo.

You say that like everyone doesn't suspect you.

We should make this easy. With TS gone to work and his vote on Jo, if he is wrong the two wolves can just stop fighting and vote Jo to end the game.

Unless TS is one of them, of course. Alternatively, if Pzelda is town they have no reason to move.

Those are the three scenarios where wolves moving doesn't accomplish anything for them: if Pzelda is town, if TS is a wolf, or if I am a wolf.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Hilariously enough, I think the only person that can't say "everyone suspects me" is me. Leaving me in exactly the position of responsibility that I set out to avoid.

 

[JohannaK]

Well, also if Tim or GK are wolves, it doesn't make sense to move. so it doesn't really clear anyone.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Unless TS is one of them, of course. Alternatively, if Pzelda is town they have no reason to move.

Those are the three scenarios where wolves moving doesn't accomplish anything for them: if Pzelda is town, if TS is a wolf, or if I am a wolf.

Pzelda already said he thinks you and G1K are wolves. If he has any hope of getting a wolf lynch instead of himself he should switch to you, since TS is gone and won't be switching to his other choice.

 

[Golden1Knight]

End of Day Three

LordArgon (4): Takhisis, Samson, Pzelda, Timsup2nothin
MarcherJovian (4): Golden1Knight, JohannaK, GamezRule, LordArgon
Golden1Knight (1): Topsecret
Timsup2nothin (1): Csargo

Abstaining (1): MarcherJovian

D3 tally. Hard to believe that there wouldnt be at least one wolf on LA's wagon. If anyone could remember the voting dynamics of the day it would be great.

You say that like everyone doesn't suspect you.

Yeah, I'm dealing with heavy suspiction for a real long time. I dont even know how I got this far lol