Landmark Supreme Court decision.

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In a 5-4, what else, decision the US Supreme Court upheld the most controversial aspects of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law. In a law theoretically intended to deter corruption through political contribution, some are seeing a major curtailment of freedom of speach. Interestingly enough both supporters and opponents of the law run the political gamut from the extreme right to the extreme left.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A sharply divided Supreme Court upheld key features of the nation's new law intended to lessen the influence of money in politics, ruling Wednesday that the government may ban unlimited donations to political parties.

Those donations, called "soft money," had become a mainstay of modern political campaigns, used to rally voters to the polls and to pay for sharply worded television ads.

Congress may regulate campaign money to prevent the real or perceived corruption of political candidates, a 5-4 majority of the court ruled. That goal and most of the rules Congress drafted to meet it outweigh limitations on the free speech of candidates and others in politics, the majority said.

At the same time, the court acknowledged the 2002 law will not stop the flow of money in politics.

"We are under no illusion that (the law) will be the last congressional statement on the matter. Money, like water, will always find an outlet. What problems will arise, and how Congress will respond, are concerns for another day," Justices John Paul Stevens and Sandra Day O'Connor wrote for the majority.

The law hasn't stopped the flow of big money, but it has changed its course.

In the months since the law took effect, several partisan interest groups have popped up to collect corporate, union and unlimited individual donations to try to influence next year's elections, including several on the Democratic side focused on the presidential race.

Supporters of the new law said the donations from corporations, unions and wealthy individuals capitalized on a loophole in the existing, Watergate-era campaign money system.

The court also upheld restrictions on political ads in the weeks before an election. The television and radio ads often feature harsh attacks by one politician against another or by groups running commercials against candidates.

The so-called "soft money" is a catchall term for money that is not subject to existing federal caps on the amount individuals may give and which is outside the old law prohibiting corporations and labor unions from making direct campaign donations. Supporters of the new law, called the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, said that in practice, soft money was funneled to influence specific races for the House, Senate or the White House, and that donors, parties and candidates all knew it.

Although the reform effort was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bush, many politicians and others in the business of politics were leery of it. The law is often known as "McCain-Feingold".

The new rules have been in force during the early stages of preparation for the 2004 elections for president and Congress. The high court ruling means those rules remain largely untouched as the political seasons heats up. The first delegate-selection contests are just weeks away, in January.

The court has given government an extensive role in the area on grounds that there is a fundamental national interest in rooting out corruption or even the appearance of it. That concern justifies limitations on the freedom of speech, the court has said.


Soft money is just money which has not come in a small contribution. As the article says, money will find a way. In essence I think the whole thing is somewhat pointless, though a good airing will not hurt.

My concern is in the parts that effect free speach (bold) that this law has, and especially the reasoning for the limitation. In effect it will be difficult to respond to an attack under the law, since there are prohibitions on advertizing during the last weeks before an election. That the Court felt that Congress should have regulatory power in the area of political speech is shocking.

J
 
Who gives this soft money?
 
What happened to all those people claiming they were so concerned about Americans' rights?

Hello?...ello?...llo?...lo?
 
Well the supreme court may have banned it but Soros and his buddies have found a way to revive it. Give a few million dollars to ACT and MoveOn.com and you basically have Viagra for campaign funding!
 
Originally posted by Souron
Bush perhalps as he did sign the bill. I am thereby against it. (primary reason)

That has got to be one of the worst reasons for disliking a bill. (because of the person who proposed it)
 
Originally posted by Souron
Not becouse of the person but becouse of why he proposed it - to become reelected. if the bill remains, bush is more likly to be reelected (unless he realy is stupid).

Bush wasn't even in office when McCain was dreaming up the McCain-Feingold bill.
 
I especially dislike the part about limiting personal attacks on politicians in TV ads before an election. Let them insult each other, I say, as long as they aren't lying. (And if they are lying, let them sue the other for slander or whatever law it falls under.)
 
Originally posted by Norlamand


Bush wasn't even in office when McCain was dreaming up the McCain-Feingold bill.
Bush, not McCain, signed the bill. this means he activly supports it. He could have pocketed or vetoed it. I am assuming Bush is smart eneugh to know what bill are benificial to him. Do you think I am giving him too much credit?
 
Originally posted by cgannon64
I especially dislike the part about limiting personal attacks on politicians in TV ads before an election. Let them insult each other, I say, as long as they aren't lying.
:lol: as long as they aren't lying ??? that funny . when did politicians started telling the truth about anything? I must have miss something. Personally I get sick of seeing those ads . i wouldn't cry if they banned them all together myself . Called it "Freedom of Silent";)
 
Originally posted by cgannon64
I especially dislike the part about limiting personal attacks on politicians in TV ads before an election. Let them insult each other, I say, as long as they aren't lying. (And if they are lying, let them sue the other for slander or whatever law it falls under.)
Apperantly Bush is afraid of such attacks.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
What happened to all those people claiming they were so concerned about Americans' rights?

Hello?...ello?...llo?...lo?

The goal of the law is too keep people from buying presidents and other politicans, like what has happened with the sitting president and his oil pals (however, this is a problem that is not party specifric).
 
Soft money was one of the key ways that Democrats were able to match Republican campaign donations.

Now, that's gone, and Democrats can expect to be outspent by $100 million in the 2004 Presidential campaign alone. For all of the constitutional misgivings they may have about it, Campaign Finance Reform is a boom to Republicans that will ensure they stay in power for decades to come.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
What happened to all those people claiming they were so concerned about Americans' rights?

Hello?...ello?...llo?...lo?

The theory is that this practice better protects Americans' rights concerning elections than the system that was previously in place.

I'm not sure how I feel about it yet, though.
 
Haven't we ALL had enough of fat cat politics?

Buying politicians is "freedom of speech" the same way that Nike deceiving consumers about its factories in Southeast Asia is "freedom of speech". Speech should cease to be free when it becomes dangerous to the public weal. That is a given. Explain to me again how millionaires outvoting hoi polloi with their pockets is beneficial to America as a whole? Explain to me how deliberately and callously buying access - or should I say an audience? - with the Throne is helping to defuse the growing anger among many Americans who feel their vote just doesn't matter anymore when they can't match the convincing power of a nice kickback?

How can the Republicans stay so far ahead even with reform?

That's easy. They pander to rich and in return they get their campaign contributions. The GOP is really an investment fund for yacht-owners. Put a relatively small amount of money in the pot and get a huge boon through back-patting legislation. And it's not just tax cuts. It's deregulation of key industries; the State Department twisting the definition of "human rights" standards to allow booming trade with corrupt, dictatorial, and terrorist regimes; hamstringing the government agencies intended to keep an eye on their industries, such as the EPA, etc; and so on.

The Democrats pander to a different aristocracy - the rich folks in charge of social agenices and unions - but these are outnumbered and outvoted by [in this context, the phrase means "poorer than"] their industrial cousins.

IMHO, all campaign financing should be reduced to the following simple rules:

1. Up to 100 dollars per citizen, per party, per year.


That's it. Period. End of story. No money from groups, no "channeling" money by contributing to cardboard candidates or ersartz organizations, no NOTHING.

And you know what? If it were up to me, I would reduce that total to ten cents. I'm sick and tired of political parties that rely on massive media blitzes funded by soft money instead of a wholesome, comprehensive and understandable platform. Politics has been reduced to "character" [mudslinging and digging up dirt about the opposition], "dignity" [who has the best hairstylist], and "intelligence" [Teleprompter reading skills]. When we can elect submentals, trained monkeys, and crooks like Clinton, Reagan, Bush, and Nixon to the highest office of this state, it is perfectly clear that we have gone far off the beaten path of a wholesome democracy.

I see no reason why richer people should have an "extended vote" in the form of greater contributions. Are they more important to the state? Are their interests more vital or urgent than those of the relatively poor? If so, why not let them spend as much money as they like? Eliminate ALL campaign finance restrictions. Let Mr. Soros bequeath his entire fortune on the Democratic Party! Don't you see that if we let this happen we would soon have a nation of oligarchs - I mean, even more so than today? When so many of our citizens are so stupid that a mere TV ad can sway their political affiliation, why should our leaders care for votes that can be so easily bought? When votes become - as they have become today - a matter of funding and expenditure, what keeps power out of the hands of a few people who decide the fate of the nation by selectively opening their purse-strings?

The day each citizen's voting power is in equal ratio with his purse power over the government, we will be on the way back to a REAL democracy. I say down with the whole corrupt scaffolding of campaign finance and its spurious "reformers", McCain included! The law we need can be written in just 10 words.
 
For once I agree with Pontiuth. Let them actually debate each other rather than depend on peoples' susceptability to advertising. This bill will not solve all of our electoral problems, but we have to start somewhere.
 
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