The 2nd Trump Assassination Attempt, mid-September 2024

Ugh it's the same here. I donated once, to a friend's campaign who was running for office in Florida (I live in Massachusetts over 1,200 miles away). Now I receive Florida campaign emails asking for money, quite literally every day. It's insane. :shake:

If it wasn't so taboo and in bad taste... I could see SNL starting a running gag about incompetent would be assassins constantly going after Trump and failing spectacularly every time, injuring and/or killing themselves accidentally in the process... kind like Wile E. Coyote/Road Runner... or the Home Alone movie...

See what I did there ;)

The vast majority of these are fundraising texts, from roughly the last 3 weeks:
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I don't get many texts but I get tons of emails asking for donations (usually from MoveOn)
 
In my day :old: they sent physical mail. I think I got more glossy postcards in the post than I ever donated.
 
Moved from the Election Thread:

In fact @Lexicus this time around (in terms of the assassination attempt), I am noticing something very different from the media than last time. They aren't defaulting into the "let's be classy and/or not victim-blame and/or condone violence"... They are starting to call Trump out and point the finger at him for stoking political violence. No one has had an explicit "Chickens come home to roost" moment, not yet at least, but the commentary is much sharper along the lines of Trump/Republicans need to take responsibility for this environment of political violence that they fostered.
After 14 years of looking the demographic part at a university after a childhood looking the demographic part in the boondocks, yeah, whatever. The bedsheet brigade held thier tongues at least as well on what the worst sort of people deserved. Its the 2020s.
 
Peter Doocy asked the Administration if they will stop describing Trump as a 'threat'.


Nope.

How about Hillary?


Hillary Clinton calls Trump ‘danger to our country and the world’ — just one day after second assassination attempt

Nope.


Will the Secret Service majorly increase Trump's security now that 2 people tried to kill him?

A 3rd is going to trial right now.

Merchant sought to hire hitmen who could carry out the assassination of Trump and others, the indictment alleged. Merchant allegedly explained his plot involved multiple criminal schemes: stealing documents or USB drives from a target's home; planning a protest; and killing a politician or government official, the indictment alleged.
 
Peter Doocy asked the Administration if they will stop describing Trump as a 'threat'.


Nope.
Trump is a threat.

But this is so disingenuous. The people who we're talking about are not fuelled by descriptions of Trump by the administration. They have done their own research and the lizard people told them Trump is a threat.
 
Trump is a threat to democracy. That is precisely why I would not like to see him assassinated. I want him to (again) be rejected by the voters, the only body that has held him in check, so that it is democracy itself that triumphs over his anti-democratic actions.
 
We can all remember Trump's soothing words of reconciliation at the RNC, just after the first attempt. Why can't the administration be more like Trump?
 
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Peter Doocy asked the Administration if they will stop describing Trump as a 'threat'.


Nope.

How about Hillary?




Nope.


Will the Secret Service majorly increase Trump's security now that 2 people tried to kill him?

A 3rd is going to trial right now.
The "hey lets not use provocative language" request is a bit late dude and completely hypocritical . The cat is out of the bag, that train has left the station, toothpaste is out of the tube, the genie is out of the bottle, that ship has sailed or whatever cliche you want use. We've had over 10 years of Trump race baiting, green lighting immigrants and others for violence, calling democrats enemies of the people, the Joe Biden crime family, Vance endorsing a book demonizing the left as Unhumans. The list is endless and to top it all of he tried to erase the votes of 81 million people with a mob an January 6 and incurred violence to do so. Then complains that people call him a threat to democracy? I don't feel sorry for Trump at all hes brought it on himself. Also, he is receiving the highest level of protection for someone that is NOT the president and if he needs more because he wants to golf well than he should hire outside security.
 
The "hey lets not use provocative language" request is a bit late dude and completely hypocritical . The cat is out of the bag, that train has left the station, toothpaste is out of the tube, the genie is out of the bottle, that ship has sailed or whatever cliche you want use. We've had over 10 years of Trump race baiting, green lighting immigrants and others for violence, calling democrats enemies of the people, the Joe Biden crime family, Vance endorsing a book demonizing the left as Unhumans. The list is endless and to top it all of he tried to erase the votes of 81 million people with a mob an January 6 and incurred violence to do so. Then complains that people call him a threat to democracy? I don't feel sorry for Trump at all hes brought it on himself. Also, he is receiving the highest level of protection for someone that is NOT the president and if he needs more because he wants to golf well than he should hire outside security.
when would have been the proper time to not use provocative language?
 
when would have been the proper time to not use provocative language?

So, you think we need to express our opinions on Trump only if they are "politically correct" rather than "provocative"...
 
when would have been the proper time to not use provocative language?
I don't understand the response. I suppose its proper on most occasions to not be an ahole. When someone uses language that will cause physical or mental harm to another is a time not to use provocative language. However, when someone says Trump is a threat to democracy it is a fact and I don't think there is hateful intent behind it. The guy tried to take 81 million votes and wipe his ass with them and people should not be reminded of that?
 
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So, you think we need to express our opinions on Trump only if they are "politically correct" rather than "provocative"...

Man, I'm so tired of these Social Injustice Warriors trying to language police us and say we have to describe racists as "economically anxious" and their insurrection attempt as "legitimate discourse" and people being really obsessed with LGBTQ people's genitals and private lives as "not weird"

Like, whatever happened to free speech, man?
 
Trump is a threat to democracy. That is precisely why I would not like to see him assassinated. I want him to (again) be rejected by the voters, the only body that has held him in check, so that it is democracy itself that triumphs over his anti-democratic actions.
I really hate it when these undemocratic leaders get voted in and then voted out again.
 
I don't understand the response. I suppose its proper on most occasions to not be an ahole. When someone uses language that will cause physical or mental harm to another is a time not to use provocative language. However, when someone says Trump is a threat to democracy it is a fact and I don't think there is hateful intent behind it. The guy tried to take 81 million votes and wipe his ass with them and people should not be reminded of that?
Trump never got particularly far in doing so besides a lot of moaning and groaning on his end. (Did anyone really obey his commands then in re overturning election results? I admit I wasn't following much news then).
So the idea of him being a "threat" in the sense that the (now) two guys who tried to shoot him posed a threat, or the way a country might put more troops on its border against another is a threat, is just a lot of hot air to me...
 
Trump never got particularly far in doing so besides a lot of moaning and groaning on his end. (Did anyone really obey his commands then in re overturning election results? I admit I wasn't following much news then).
So the idea of him being a "threat" in the sense that the (now) two guys who tried to shoot him posed a threat, or the way a country might put more troops on its border against another is a threat, is just a lot of hot air to me...

Trump's main danger to democracy is insisting an election was stolen from him.

Without any court victories, he kept pushing it until people died.

This corrosive action lead to countless negative outcomes.

For what purpose?
A salve for one man's ego?

Even now, something like 1/3rd of the country still believes the last election was stolen.

The loss of trust in elections is extremely damaging!

What leader takes his people down a dead end with no hope of victory?


About his attempt at overturning the 2020 election, the first-hand account of Vice President Mike Pence is worth reading.


“I think it’s important that the American people know what happened in the days before January 6,” Pence said. “President Trump demanded that I use my authority as vice president presiding over the count of the Electoral College to essentially overturn the election by returning or literally rejecting votes. I had no authority to do that.”

For those who might doubt him, Pence urged them to “read the indictment.”

Pence is featured prominently throughout the 45-page indictment, but there are seven and a half pages that specifically deal with “The Defendant’s [Trump’s] Attempts to Enlist the Vice President to Fraudulently Alter the Election Results at the January 6 Certification Proceeding.” That section relies heavily on interviews Pence provided to federal prosecutors, and the indictment references “contemporaneous notes” Pence kept to memorialize some events and conversations.

According to the indictment, “As the January 6 congressional certification proceeding approached and other efforts to impair, obstruct, and defeat the federal government function failed, the Defendant [Trump] sought to enlist the Vice President to use his ceremonial role at the certification to fraudulently alter the election results. The Defendant did this first by using knowingly false claims of election fraud to convince the Vice President to accept the Defendant’s fraudulent electors, reject legitimate electoral votes, or send legitimate electoral votes to state legislatures for review rather than count them. When that failed, the Defendant attempted to use a crowd of supporters that he had gathered in Washington, D.C., to pressure the Vice President to fraudulently alter the election results.”

What Trump attempted might have technically been legal, but the indictment disagrees.
Probably the knowingly-using false claims part, which should be provable fraud. :hmm:


I don't think he will do an actual coup to stay in power if he wins again.

Just push the law to its absolute limit and gleefully dive into legal gray zones.
Also, he'll hand out pardons like water.
 
Trump's main danger to democracy is insisting an election was stolen from him.
yeah and I get that, but I imagine this sentiment has been more widespread throughout history than what people after the 2000 presidential election like to believe. If there is some loser out there who did not feel cheated somehow when he lost, well, he's probably in a much more honorable profession than vote-getting. Are we going to insist on having an actual conversation every time some loser casts "doubt" (however improbable that is on affecting anything) on the democratic process? "Donald Trump says he was cheated; oh no the system's in trouble!". Who gives a crap?!

there's even a joke about it in one of the more famous movies of all time, evident that muckraking journalists did this kind of thing all the time:

It's just that Trump is very very vocal about it nowadays. So...Mike Pence says Trump talked his ear off about overturning electoral votes but ultimately blew him off and nothing ever came of it; it's not like "boys" were sent out to rough someone up. Okay, I'm still waiting to be shocked here. You should want Trump not to be president because he's a too-old bloviating jerk, not because he's some existential threat. Which he's not.
 
I don't think he will do an actual coup to stay in power if he wins again.

Just push the law to its absolute limit and gleefully dive into legal gray zones.
Also, he'll hand out pardons like water.
I worry much more about his followers
 
yeah and I get that, but I imagine this sentiment has been more widespread throughout history than what people after the 2000 presidential election like to believe. If there is some loser out there who did not feel cheated somehow when he lost, well, he's probably in a much more honorable profession than vote-getting. Are we going to insist on having an actual conversation every time some loser casts "doubt" (however improbable that is on affecting anything) on the democratic process? "Donald Trump says he was cheated; oh no the system's in trouble!". Who gives a crap?!
This is just flat wrong. No losing US Presidential candidate in modern history has refused to concede, in a formal speech. Each of them has in fact made a point of conceding, and their doing so is a strong reinforcement of the norms on which democracy depends.

It's not a question of what those people felt, but of what they said and did. What they did, precisely, was put their personal feelings about losing to one side and did actions for the good of the country rather than themselves.

Trump's refusal to do that is not something you can minimize or wave away. The American political system rests entirely on this point: put in your best effort at campaigning and then accept the will of the voters.

The notion that one person's feelings matter more than the common good is pretty much a definition of despotism.
 
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