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Leader Ability Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Kmart_Elvis, Oct 27, 2018.

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  1. Lord Lakely

    Lord Lakely Unintentionally a feminist.

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [23]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [16]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [14]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [4]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [19]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [24] (27-3) I must be playing a different game than most people here. Divine Wind grants bonuses to Holy Sites, Theatre Squares and Encampments... which are the three of the four weakest districts in the game. Japan doesn't excel at anything religious, militaristic or cultural though, because their other boosts don't outright support it. Honestly, the most use I find for DW is to snag a religion in a pinch, just to cripple religious civs which don't get innate Holy Site production bonuses such as Spain, Khmer and Scythia, to prevent THEM from founding a religion, or to compete in the GW game if Russia, Greece and/or Kongo spawn. The usefulness scales down if none of the aforementioned are in the game however, making it a very situational bonus (just like the boost to land combat it provides). It's not bad... but the best out of 36? Maybe if it boosted Campuses, Com Hubs and Industrial Zones instead...
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [8]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [14]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23]
    27. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [14]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [5]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [23] (22+1) On the other hand, this one is indisputably the best ability in the game. Not only does it kick in when you go to war (which you must do as Scythia), it will also aid your religious units when at peace. Religious victory is a tedious mess (especially on large maps), but as Scythia it's actually fun and easy to pull off. Excelling at two out of four victory types is nothing to sneeze at. (technically all four since you can just capture cities with Campuses and Wonders)
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
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  2. Kmart_Elvis

    Kmart_Elvis Chieftain

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    Thank you! My original copy and paste didn't include any changes to R+F or the latest update. Now I believe everything is up to date.
     
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  3. Legacy of Smiles

    Legacy of Smiles Chieftain

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    NP. Just realised I worded Seodeok's boost really poorly (and misspelled "Harald"). She gets a 3% boost for every promotion an established governor has (if the governor has 4 promotions for example it's a 12% boost to both science and culture in that city).
     
  4. Kmart_Elvis

    Kmart_Elvis Chieftain

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [23+1=24] Endless, unstoppable war. Don't have to worry about amenities so much. Plus, with the unique building, you generate science, so you could keep spamming out units and getting them killed... And bring your opponent's war weariness up while you still remain unaffected by war weariness and also race through the science tree. Wonderful synergy here and one of the top 5 abilities IMO.
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [16]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [14]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [4-3=1] This ability is pretty lackluster in and of itself, but also doesn't work all that great with the civ. I'd rather I get 2 food than 4 gold, but this is a case where your rivals get better trade yields than you! I I'm building wonders, production and food are more important than gold. Egypt really needs a second leader.
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [19]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [24]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [8]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [14]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23]
    27. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [14]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [5]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [23]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
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  5. God of Kings

    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

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    1. Alexander - To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [16]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [14]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride. [1-3=ELIMINATED] I am the asp.
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [19]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [24]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [8]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [14]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23]
    27. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [14]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [5]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [23+1=24] Excellent for two victory conditions: domination and religious
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
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  6. WillowBrook

    WillowBrook Lurker

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [16+1=17] even a small discount on districts is worth a lot over the course of the game, more than an extra military slot, IMO.
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [14]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [19-3=16] military slot not as good as district discount (and I don't attack city states)
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [24]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [8]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [14]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23]
    27. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [14]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [5]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
  7. Leathaface

    Leathaface Warlord

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [14]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [16]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [24+1=25] My favourite victory condition is Culture. Theatre Squares are very important and Holy Sites are needed to get enough faith for National Parks. 50% bonus production helps greatly. Plus a quick Encampment can be very helpful on higher difficulties early on.
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [8]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [14]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23-3=20] A single governor promotion give +1 builders charges, extra builder charges aren't a huge thing in R&F. I also don't build builders in multiple cities much simultaneously. I'd rather stick Liang in my highest production city, enact Feudalism then build builders galore. After a while I build enough builders and don't need more so I get rid of Feudalism and take Liang out of the city. Plus I like to settle early cities instead of taking risks with early wonders. (I play on Immortal)
    27. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [14]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [5]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
  8. bbbt

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. 14 + 1 = [15] With R&F this translates to +3 against pretty much every opponent
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [16]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [25]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [8]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [14]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [20]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. 5-3 = [2] I think this wins for biggest disconnect between interesting historical basis and boring implementation.
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
  9. Mesix

    Mesix One of Porg

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [15]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [16]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [25]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [8]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. 14 - 3 [11] - The loyalty mechanics work in some situations, but most of the time this is not so noticeable. It can also result in a city revolting when you are about to take it producing two strong free city units to attack you even though you have defeated all of the enemy units.
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. 20 + 1 [21] - The first couple of builders getting 4 instead of three charges (before ever having a governor) is enough. Add in early wonder rushing and China becomes the wonder hog of the Ancient and Classical eras.
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [2]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
  10. Zdarg

    Zdarg Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [15]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [16]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. 25-3 [22] Objectively worse than china ability and shoujdn't be higher.
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [8]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [11]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. 21 + 1 [22] To add to what already said, has great sinergy with Ancestrall Hall. Llang hasn't.
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [2]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
  11. Legacy of Smiles

    Legacy of Smiles Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [15]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [16+1=17] Going to be controversial and say I think military policy cards are on par with economic ones.
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [20-3=17] The Longship unit can potentially be nice but is really only worth using against cities directly on the coast. The boost to naval melee units is nice but they have the same issue. If you want to build a navy ranged units are way better.
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [8]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [11]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [22]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [2]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
  12. TomKQT

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [15+1 = 16] - Spies are IMHO quite usefull, especially now that they can remove governors and lower enemy envoys in CS. Catherine gives a free spy very early, which is nice (I usually don't have spare production when I get the ability to make the first spy), you can have 1 more spy in total (which is not that usefull because managing many spies is tedious), and especially you automatically get 1 promotion, which makes spies usefull right from the start. AND the diplomatic visibility applies as a combat bonus, unless I'm mistaken. So, Catherine has 4 bonuses that are quite easy to utilize (visibility, spy, spy capacity, spy promotions)!
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [17]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [17]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [8-3 = 5] - Why there must be the condition "next to a river"? The bonus is not that great anyway, so it would not be overpowered without the condition. But when it has to be next to a river, it is really silly. How many holy sites do you build? And when you do, don't you prefer a faith adjacency bonus, because that's what HS are for? And how many times do you find a nice place with mountains around AND a river? Culture bomb is usefull only rarely, in most situations (in my experience) you would just get some mountain tiles or tiles that you would be able to get/buy later anyway.
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [11]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [22]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [2]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [16]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [17]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [17]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22+1=23] - The cheap districts is strong and meshes well with Japan's adjacency bonus, the combat bonus is useful.
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [ 5-3=2] - Like TomKQT said so rare this is actually useful.
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [11]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [22]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [2]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
  14. OmegaDestroyer

    OmegaDestroyer Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [16]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [17]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [17]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [23-3=20] - Holy districts built 50% faster doesn't get you a great prophet faster than a rushed Stonehenge. Japanese theater will never be able to compete with Russia or Kongo's ability to generate great writers/artists/musicians. A faster encampment is nice but often takes up a spot for a more useful district. It's a good power but there are better ones.
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [2]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [11]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [8]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [22+1=23] 4 charges and the ability to construct ancient and classical wonders faster? How is this is this a bad ability? Throw in a governor and the pyramids (which can be rushed) and you have 6 builds per builder, which is absolutely fantastic for getting your empire up and running.
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [2]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
  15. BarbarianHunter

    BarbarianHunter Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [16]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [17]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [17]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21] (20+1) --- People seem to be upvoting either China or Japan then downvoting the other. They are both better than many of the abilities left on the board.
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [2]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [11]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [5] (8-3) --- +4 is situational, not bad but not all that good. The extra inquisitor charge shouldn't be relevant because of the conquistadors auto-convert ability. Maybe of some use if you are fighting a defensive religious war and trying to keep your own citizens devoted to your religion, but 1 charge is still not all that great.
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [2]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23]
     
  16. Kimiimaro

    Kimiimaro King

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [16]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [17]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [17]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [2]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [11]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [5]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23]
    29. Seondeok - Hwarang. [2-3=-1] (ELIMINATED) - Barely noticable bonus that is limited to only some cities.
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [23+1=24] - Before trying a game as the Roman Empire, I thought this is meh. But it's a nice ability, actually, synenerging well with the other Roman bonus.
     
  17. local_hero

    local_hero Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [16]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [17]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [17]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [2]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [11]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [5]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23]
    27. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [14-3=11] - Inexplicable that this survived Hwarang for instance. The latter is dull, but it gives you a bonus to the most important yield through almost the entire game.
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [23+1=24] - The Arabian religious building is really good. The obvious downside is that it requires a Holy Site, but getting the Stupa is quite easy. An extra amenity in all cities in addition to all other bonuses to it. You will save much faith to spend on other things.
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [24]

    I noticed Robert the Bruce disappeared from earlier posts. Perhaps that's why he has survived for so long. :nono:
     
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  18. Kmart_Elvis

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [16]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [22+1=23] Should be a bit higher. This can easily be abused, giving all military, religious, and civilian units +2 movement all game if you chain it right.
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [17]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [17]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [2]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [11]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [5]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23]
    27. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [11-3=8] - what @local_hero just said. Hwarang might be boring, but still meaningful. Especially in a tall city with a fully promoted governor. Robert is pretty hard to trigger, so most of the game, if any, you're kinda playing without a bonus at all.
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [24]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [24]
     
  19. Softly

    Softly Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [16]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [23]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [17]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [21+1=22] Surprised this isn't higher. If you play correctly this more than doubles your culture output all the way until almost the medieval era. Early culture is king and early warfare is meta, and this places perfectly into both. The fact that this works on barbarians is absolutely broken.
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [17]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    16. Jayavarman VII - Monasteries of the King. [2-3=-1] Eliminated. Khmer is one of my favorite civs to play but +2 food +1 housing isn't strong enough to warrant the river requirement. Also while I'm a fan of culture bomb mechanics, culture bomb on holy sites is likely to just get you a few useless mountain tiles.
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [11]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [5]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23]
    27. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn. [8]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [24]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [24]
     
  20. Jewelrunna

    Jewelrunna Chieftain

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    Had to edit because of a post two minutes prior to me finishing and posting this.

    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [17],
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [16]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [21]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [23]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [17]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [23]
    10. Gilgamesh - Adventures With Enkidu. [18]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [20]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [22]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [17]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [20]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [22]
    18. Lautaro - Swift Hawk. [11]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [26]
    21. Pedro II - Magnanimous. [11]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [17]
    24. Philip II - El Escorial. [5]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [23]
    27. Robert the Bruce - Bannockburn [8 - 3 = 5] Much like my disdain for culture bomb abilities due to being too common, I dislike CB abilities for their relative blandness. Bannockburn is the worst offender, not only because it relates to a CB you rarely see come into play, but it also is notably disjointed from the rest of the Civ's abilities. It's a shame, because Scotland is my favorite Civ in VI, and they could really be a god-tier Civ if they had a Leader Ability that capitalized on their strengths more. Unfortunately, we have this one. At least El Escorial can be good in the right circumstances. For this one, just when are you going to use it?
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [24]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [22]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [24]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [24 + 1 = 25] This one should be much higher, IMO. It's a great ability that capitalizes on the philosophy "less is more." Just giving a free monument to a new city sounds simple, but the implications are massive. Rome can move through the civics tree incredibly quickly, and might even guarantee you a first government, which in turn means you might get a golden classical age, which is a great time to get one. Plus, it frees up a build queue for you in the early game. Simple, but massively potent, which is why I like it so much.
     
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