[LP] Leader Spotlight: Ludwig II

[Eagle Pursuit]

Maybe, if this is the inspiration, I would prefer zero gold adjacency bonus to commercial zones, replaced with culture -- commercial districts produce culture adjacency bonuses rather than gold. This way, you would have a *~vibe~* of a bankrupt state.

Spending gold on wonders seems tricky to me. They would have to be incredibly expensive, so this ability would probably not be usable until the mid/late game when you've had sufficient time to accumulate an adequate gold reserve.

They could probably utilize the existing ability of Great Engineer Shah Jahan II, who converts up to half the gold in your treasury to Production for a Wonder.

 

[queenpea]

They could probably utilize the existing ability of Great Engineer Shah Jahan II, who converts up to half the gold in your treasury to Production for a Wonder.

I'm honestly rooting for something ridiculously silly, like a "swan lake" unique tile improvement.

Cut lil pond full of cute lil birds.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

They could probably utilize the existing ability of Great Engineer Shah Jahan II, who converts up to half the gold in your treasury to Production for a Wonder.

Yeah that's what I had in mind. Give every Great Engineer that he recruits a single charge to do that, or to use their normal ability.

 

[Josephias]

Maybe, if this is the inspiration, I would prefer zero gold adjacency bonus to commercial zones, replaced with culture -- commercial districts produce culture adjacency bonuses rather than gold. This way, you would have a *~vibe~* of a bankrupt state.

As others have said, we have the Jahan GE mechanics that already do that, so not that tricky.
Other option I envisioned, more in line with your bankrupt state vibe could be: “gets % production to any wonder built, but city gold (and maybe also science) production drops to zero when doing it”

 

[pokiehl]

I still think porting the Shah Jahan mechanic is too complex for this pass. One thought I had is they may put a Gold maintenance penalty on Wonders but offset it with other yields or amenities from them.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

They could give the Jahan ability to ALL Great Engineers. That would require very little reinvention. And Germany is going to have a fair share of GEs if you're building your Hansas.

 

[queenpea]

They could give the Jahan ability to ALL Great Engineers. That would require very little reinvention. And Germany is going to have a fair share of GEs if you're building your Hansas.

Would it be technically possible to give the Jahan ability to Great Musicians?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Would it be technically possible to give the Jahan ability to Great Musicians?

I think so. Although that would be a lot more limiting, since Musicians come much later than Engineers.

 

[Josephias]

I still think porting the Shah Jahan mechanic is too complex for this pass. One thought I had is they may put a Gold maintenance penalty on Wonders but offset it with other yields or amenities from them.

Random (not contrasted) fact they told us at Neuschwanstein is Ludvig conceived the castles and palaces he built as his private propierty, not to be open to the common folk, but to be enjoyed in solitude (or only by a small circle). That would rule out te amenity bonus.
Nevertheless, gameplay wise it might make sense, just wanted to drop the fact for discussion.

 

[pokiehl]

I don't think it's possible to even grant Shah Jahan's ability to other Great Engineers for a specific civ/leader.

On a technical level, Great Person actions are not "unit abilities" (which can easily be granted via modifiers). Great Person actions are their own thing and the way they're set up is separate from the modifier system.

 

[tedhebert]

I don't think it's possible to even grant Shah Jahan's ability to other Great Engineers for a specific civ/leader.

On a technical level, Great Person actions are not "unit abilities" (which can easily be granted via modifiers). Great Person actions are their own thing and the way they're set up is separate from the modifier system.

There's actually a recent CIV mod for Mughal (leader Akbar) that actually has a Unique Great Person called 'architect of wonder' that actually does exactly that... Really cool, but the GP is awarded every era, which makes it OP unfortunately...

So I suppose it's really doable if they simply make it a unique Great person (a la Gran Columbia)

 

[pokiehl]

There's actually a recent CIV mod for Mughal (leader Akbar) that actually has a Unique Great Person called 'architect of wonder' that actually does exactly that... Really cool, but the GP is awarded every era, which makes it OP unfortunately...

So I suppose it's really doable if they simply make it a unique Great person (a la Gran Columbia)

Sure, that'd be doable. But Firaxis could also simply edit the codebase to make the general idea doable. My point is just that if it goes beyond a simple use of the modifier system, it's unlikely to be done for the Leader Pass . I certainly don't expect them to add unique units, buildings, districts, etc. to go along with the leaders.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I think so. Although that would be a lot more limiting, since Musicians come much later than Engineers.

If he has a way to get Musician points faster and early slots, like amphitheaters or even Wonders themselves, it could work. Doesn't Russia at least start getting their Great Musicians in the Medieval/Renaissance Era with their Lavras?

 

[Uberfrog]

Random (not contrasted) fact they told us at Neuschwanstein is Ludvig conceived the castles and palaces he built as his private propierty, not to be open to the common folk, but to be enjoyed in solitude (or only by a small circle). That would rule out te amenity bonus.
Nevertheless, gameplay wise it might make sense, just wanted to drop the fact for discussion.

Yep, it is somewhat ironic that the hugely expensive castles he poured money into for his own private enjoyment have turned into extremely profitable tourist attractions for Bavaria.

Accidental tourism victory!

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Accidental tourism victory!

So, a regular tourist victory?

 

[Brew God]

I agree with Uberfrog...I have been to the castle in Fussen 3 times during the Winter and Summer and sure to go again.

 

[Aurelesk]

Sure, that'd be doable. But Firaxis could also simply edit the codebase to make the general idea doable. My point is just that if it goes beyond a simple use of the modifier system, it's unlikely to be done for the Leader Pass . I certainly don't expect them to add unique units, buildings, districts, etc. to go along with the leaders.

Since Qin the Uniter that gave +1 Spread and the Convert Barbarian promotion from Apostle to Melee units, I would have thought they could give the +1 Charge and Shah Jahān ability to a specific set of unit. I was wrong. Too bad.

I believe most people envision an ability about building wonders and bankruptcy, something like that:
Cities with a district receive +2 Culture, +2 Loyalty, and +2 Amenity. Those yields are tripled if the city has a Wonder. All Heavy Cavalry units gain access to a unique Retire action, which grants Production towards wonder construction, capped at half your current treasury, then reduces your Gold twice the amount of purchased Production. -30% Gold in all Cities.

I wonder how far I am, and at the same time, how goodly or badly surprised I would be when I will know his ability.

Little anecdote: I had Shah Jahān and the Mausoleum. I use one of his charges, then move him to the next wonder. But I couldn't activate his last charge: the button have been lost! The reason is that Mausoleum made a permanent dive to cool itself from Global Warming, removing all Great Engineer from their +1 additional charge. So I had Shah Jahān with 0 charge, yet still alive. I guess his destiny was to be recycled as an anti-Rock Bands prevention guard.

 

[WorldWarIV]

Ludwig is the leader I was looking forward to the most. If I don't have fun with playing him tonight, this is it for me and this iteration of Civilization. A kind of swansong, if you will.

 

[King William I]

Ludwig is the leader I was looking forward to the most. If I don't have fun with playing him tonight, this is it for me and this iteration of Civilization. A kind of swansong, if you will.

Pun declined. But I Ludwig was my most anticipated leader and he doesn't disappoint.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Pun declined. But I Ludwig was my most anticipated leader and he doesn't disappoint.

Lucky you guys. So envious.