Leaderhead Database and Request thread

Let's be honest on why the EU won't really work, in any sense, over the long haul.

Economically, it's impossible, for the reasons we see today... Greeks and Germans just have way different work ethics, etc...

Politically, when swift action is needed, who is going to direct it to happen? The EU either needs to get a stronger central government, or just quit before they do more harm... because you are never going to get all those nations to agree at short notice over anything controversial... and at the same time, will the larger France give up its sovereignty to allow smaller nations to interfere in their decisions, and vice versa?

Yes all that you saying is true..but people often talked that germany will never give up their DEM but it happened...now you have german and france soldiers training together witch was impossible before..
They are all different nations but they still have the same dream..
EU find themselves in crisis like whole world...from what I read in US situation is not great also.
Maybe germans are different from mediterraneans but they all work to improve themselves..
If you remember the crisis when Georgia attack those province and russians response Merkel was the only pearson who could talk with Putin so if Europe get their first president nothing will change they will still need to talk each other to get unanimously decision,but that is something that will need time...
Every day you have situations where US and Europe have to wait becouse of Russ and China for decision on something,but that is how the world works today...
We already have the situations where one country didnt wait for others to make decisions and now we have situations in Iraq,Afganistan,North Korea,Israel....
I think that Europe still have one great virtue and that is try to "improve" something without use of force...
 
Yes all that you saying is true..but people often talked that germany will never give up their DEM but it happened...now you have german and france soldiers training together witch was impossible before..
They are all different nations but they still have the same dream..
EU find themselves in crisis like whole world...from what I read in US situation is not great also.
Maybe germans are different from mediterraneans but they all work to improve themselves..
If you remember the crisis when Georgia attack those province and russians response Merkel was the only pearson who could talk with Putin so if Europe get their first president nothing will change they will still need to talk each other to get unanimously decision,but that is something that will need time...
Every day you have situations where US and Europe have to wait becouse of Russ and China for decision on something,but that is how the world works today...
We already have the situations where one country didnt wait for others to make decisions and now we have situations in Iraq,Afganistan,North Korea,Israel....
I think that Europe still have one great virtue and that is try to "improve" something without use of force...
Some interesting points. I will point out, the USA doesn't have to wait for approval from Russia and China, it chooses to. The USA has the power to act unilaterally as a sovereign power. The EU does not (though it's individuals parts can of course).
Therein lies the problem... when the USA faces a crisis, they call congress together, and relatively quickly for politicians, come to a plan (good or bad), and it is done...
The EU cannot do that unless it federalizes.
The USA started federal... and doesn't have thousands of years of different culture behind it to get into people's heads. Sure, in the end of this crisis, perhaps the northerners will give the southerners some money... as they have been doing disproportionately all along, but for how long? They gave as an investment in those countries, but now they see the investment money was squandered, and the people are upset... you don't have some of the Scandinavians involved, the UK is less and less likely to be involved every day, and now the separations are growing.

It is surely not impossible for the EU to take the next step, but very unlikely... and that was what those who pushed it in the early stages didn't listen to when the skeptics brought it up... It sounded like a good idea, and it makes traveling, and more importantly, business, easier... but the cost/benefit analysis is looking bad without that action...

I predict, within 10 years, the EU is either a thing of the past OR it has a stronger central government... the status quo will not remain (and the original architects of the EU always wanted it to move to a stronger central government). My further prediction, the countries will not give up their sovereignty to a central government, as evidenced already in several votes, referendums, etc.

I will get off my EU discourse now...
 
Ok lets end this...
But from your first sentence I see that you are living and absorbing the world from cold war era witch is long past..
I didnt see much actions from US when North Korea incident happend,or when Georgia attack that province..What I saw was quick travel by Clinton to Moscow and Bejing..amd I dont even want to mention Israel couse in this case US,EU and other veto countries didnt do anything for last 30 years...
You cant exept changes in EU over the night..They can act fast and be unanimously so that France or other big EU country not feel threaten couse all this small countries are by influence of bigger countries..central europe by Germany,Mediteranian by Italy,benelux countries by France....
What
France and Gerrmany doing is giving the example not to EU countries but to hole world is that one day your worst enemy tomorow can be your best friend..
You Americaans have tottaly different wiew of world from europeans,but both nations needs each other so only crazy man would uphold fiasco of EU...
Dont get me wrong..I dont have nothing against US but your outward politic needs some changes...
Pozdrav!!
 
Hi folks,

I wonder if you could help me out with one question: in the opening posting of this thread you can see all the leaderheads available in Civ and Col.

Now who is that Chinese looking guy on top of Qin Shi Huangdi and Sid Meier? Is that one part of Civ 4 or Civ:Col? I have both games, but I've never seen that guy. And where does that new outfit of Qin Shi Huangdi come from?

Thanks!
 
He is Taizong
Both him and the new outfit of Qin were in the Chinese release of Civilization IV
 
Ok lets end this...
But from your first sentence I see that you are living and absorbing the world from cold war era witch is long past..
I didnt see much actions from US when North Korea incident happend,or when Georgia attack that province..What I saw was quick travel by Clinton to Moscow and Bejing..amd I dont even want to mention Israel couse in this case US,EU and other veto countries didnt do anything for last 30 years...
You cant exept changes in EU over the night..They can act fast and be unanimously so that France or other big EU country not feel threaten couse all this small countries are by influence of bigger countries..central europe by Germany,Mediteranian by Italy,benelux countries by France....
What
France and Gerrmany doing is giving the example not to EU countries but to hole world is that one day your worst enemy tomorow can be your best friend..
You Americaans have tottaly different wiew of world from europeans,but both nations needs each other so only crazy man would uphold fiasco of EU...
Dont get me wrong..I dont have nothing against US but your outward politic needs some changes...
Pozdrav!!
We didn't invade Russia for invading Georgia, no... but you are missing the point.
In a crisis, we can take immediate and decisive power. We are a sovereign nation. The EU is not. We could have invaded Russia, potentially, within weeks... the EU would still be debating it a decade later. The EU cannot make internally controversial action in a short period, because it is not sovereign, but it is composed of sovereign nations.
In Civ, unless you are a sovereign nation, you are not a nation, you are a vassal. By definition, a vassal cannot be a large entity comprised of all its subnations.

I am not sure why you are putting USA foreign policy on trial here, because my whole point with my initial the EU is failing post this is that requestion an EU leader is like requesting a leader for something that doesn't really exist. There is no sovereign EU nation or civilization.
I guess you could use it for a potential "future wars" scenario or something... but it would be like having a leaderhead for NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) or any other number of non-sovereign pacts that exist in the world today.
 
@AbsintheRed

Thank you, that's really interesting.

Are there any more original leaders from localized versions? For example, I've always wondered why there is only one Japanese LH.
 
Probably not, because everything has to be MP compatible, so that you can also play with the guys from asia, russia, etc.
You'll know maybe say, that you probably can't play with chinese players because there are differences in the other files: That's probably wrong. In the XML files you can find LEADER_QIN_SHI (or whatever) and LEADER_CHINESE_LEADER, which would fit to any leader there.
I can't see any strange things else in the XMLs (besides TECH_UTOPIA, but that might be somehow a joke).
 
We didn't invade Russia for invading Georgia, no... but you are missing the point.
In a crisis, we can take immediate and decisive power. We are a sovereign nation. The EU is not. We could have invaded Russia, potentially, within weeks... the EU would still be debating it a decade later. The EU cannot make internally controversial action in a short period, because it is not sovereign, but it is composed of sovereign nations.
In Civ, unless you are a sovereign nation, you are not a nation, you are a vassal. By definition, a vassal cannot be a large entity comprised of all its subnations.

I am not sure why you are putting USA foreign policy on trial here, because my whole point with my initial the EU is failing post this is that requestion an EU leader is like requesting a leader for something that doesn't really exist. There is no sovereign EU nation or civilization.
I guess you could use it for a potential "future wars" scenario or something... but it would be like having a leaderhead for NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) or any other number of non-sovereign pacts that exist in the world today.

You know you are really interesting guy..
But I think that we see EU from a different point of view..you see eu as a military power-world leader for resolving conflicts,like us today...and I see eu as a economic,environmental concerns, and human rights leader...
I am really sorry if any of my comment about US offended you couse that wasnt my attention...
Once again I am really glad to have this discussion with you,but we see EU from a different point of view...
If EU have a ambition to become new US or Russia then I dont think that I wanna be citizen of EU..
 
I took no offense. I love Europe, for the record, and my wife is European... and you didn't offend me about the USA, it was just not at all on the topic. The topic is someone requesting a leader for a nation to play, for something that was never, to this point, sovereign.

My point is, the EU is not a nation/civilization, it is a treaty organization... the game works with sovereign nations.
This isn't to sell short the EU as far as economics/human rights/etc. The EU is a great organization, it is much much much much much better than the joke called the "UN" (which is also a treaty organization, though much larger, and made up of 75% dictatorships).

The EU is, quite simply, just not a sovereign nation, and that is the mechanics used in this game, controlling sovereign nations. This has nothing to do with perspectives, this is fact.

As far as perspective, I will say again, I love the EU...
 
Ok, I don't know why you some of you guys are STILL missing this...
The point isn't to compare the EU and the USA system of governments.
The point is, the EU is not sovereign, that's it. Its a treaty organization, not a single entity.

Now, to address your post... since this seems to be what everyone wants to talk about... instead of the mechanics of the game and how it relates to LH development.
Still it is much better than modern day US government. In EU it is enough with the most votes to get a case through, while in America you need 60%.
As an American, I can tell you, you don't understand our system. You need 50.1% of votes in both wing of Congress to pass a bill. Not 60%. There is a "filibuster
that would require 60 to debate, but not to pass, a bill... but it can easily be avoided, as we have seen time and again. In fact, the filibuster rule is not in our Constitution, but is a "house rule" or "homemade rule" if you will... completely not binding. It is used for a cop out over controversial issues.

I will remind you that the voting for EU membership in Norway ended at about 50% - 50%, and many of the NO voters were pretty old and of the generation who built the country. But now that generation is on the way out while my, more EU positive generation is on it's way in. Personally I say "Norway out of NATO and into EU".
That is because you are short sighted... I guess those older folks lived under Nazi Occupation or something, and the threat of the CCCP taking over, but now that the USA has bailed you out, by offering you protection at our expense for decades, you say enough... and probable number amongst the europeans who are jealous of the USA and don't appreciate the USA. You say that old generation built the country, well, a lot of that was rebuilding after the Nazis whipped you guys in record time. So, feel free to drop out of NATO, but don't come calling for the Rangers when you get your butts handed to you again.

And BTW, US could not have invaded Russia within weeks, cause then most of the world would be dead after a week or so, mainly because of Russias and USAs heavy nuclear bombing. And probably China would have joined in too, so taht could be really interesting.
None of this means we couldn't, only that it wouldn't have been wise. Important difference, since the point was, the EU would debate it for a decade before taking any unified action... because it has no sovereign power...

But i agree with you that EU should not yet be a civ, unless you make a scenario like Broken Star from BTS, where they only have a minor role.
Finally we address the actual point, and you agree... wow. Took a lot of meaningless and often inaccurate statements before we got down to the brass tacks of this issue...
1) The EU is not a sovereign nation in the Civ sense of the terms (this is a Civ site)
2) Yet another ungrateful European... perhaps when the next disaster comes to Europe, we won't help out? It's amazing when you consider that without USA, UK and affiliates, you guys would either be speaking German or Russian, but none of you appreciate it... it happened during the "old generation"... amazing. Good luck, and may your short-sighted America bashing catch up to you in some way some day.
;)
 
2) Yet another ungrateful European... perhaps when the next disaster comes to Europe, we won't help out? It's amazing when you consider that without USA, UK and affiliates, you guys would either be speaking German or Russian, but none of you appreciate it... it happened during the "old generation"... amazing. Good luck, and may your short-sighted America bashing catch up to you in some way some day.
;)

I don't want to be dragged into your argument, but I have to say that this is an ugly statement.

And back on topic- I do agree the EU should not be a civ, and would go even further- the HRE shouldn't be a civ too. These civs should be made, though, for use in mods.
 
I don't want to be dragged into your argument, but I have to say that this is an ugly statement.
Sometimes the truth is ugly. I think veBear's statement warranted a little wake up, ugly or not. I don't really spend a lot of time worrying about being tactful.
 
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Help.

I've got a Cleopatra: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8767

There's some lighting issues with it. Namely, the shadows on her face are changing in "chunks", I don't know how better to describe, but it's an ugly effect. (I've a feeling it might miss some layers or maps, but honestly I'm no expert in this...)

Can somebody correct this issue? Thanks in advance whoever takes this task!

"Never get into an argument with an American flying the French flag!" :D
 
2) Yet another ungrateful European... perhaps when the next disaster comes to Europe, we won't help out? It's amazing when you consider that without USA, UK and affiliates, you guys would either be speaking German or Russian, but none of you appreciate it... it happened during the "old generation"... amazing. Good luck, and may your short-sighted America bashing catch up to you in some way some day.
;)

This is just....OMG!!!!???:scared:
I just can wish that you never become next US president...
I told you that I find you very interesting becouse of your wiew of world but this is just so wrong...
With this statement you insolt the hole europeans,russians,and probebly the whole world who were figthing against nacizam...:thumbsup:
Great man...
 
Sometimes the truth is ugly. I think veBear's statement warranted a little wake up, ugly or not. I don't really spend a lot of time worrying about being tactful.

I'm sorry, but your statement is far from being the truth.
 
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Help.

I've got a Cleopatra: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downlo...o=file&id=8767

There's some lighting issues with it. Namely, the shadows on her face are changing in "chunks", I don't know how better to describe, but it's an ugly effect. (I've a feeling it might miss some layers or maps, but honestly I'm no expert in this...)

Can somebody correct this issue? Thanks in advance whoever takes this task!

I heard Ekmek is working on a new Cleopatra, meybe you should just wait for that. About the chunks problem- how did it start, did you shader this LH?
 
if anyone who US don't like invaded Norway, the US would probably send their rangers anyway because of two main reasons
There is also a 3rd reason, we protect our allies and freedom.
As a former ranger, I am glad that I didn't have to do any waterborne ops into Norway, too cold!
I come from Scandinavian descent, but am glad to not live there, mainly due to the weather...

Anyhow, if you would take any one thing away from me, if I could choose that one thing, it would be the following advice...

Watch "Band of Brothers", then think about your dislike of America.
I understand the dislike of American culture, because quite frankly, I don't like it much myself and prefer the European culture... but America has been the biggest force for good in the history of the world. This movie/series I recommend illustrates that and how we have sacrificed so that Europeans, etc. could have the things they have today.
 
There is also a 3rd reason, we protect our allies and freedom.
As a former ranger, I am glad that I didn't have to do any waterborne ops into Norway, too cold!
I come from Scandinavian descent, but am glad to not live there, mainly due to the weather...

Anyhow, if you would take any one thing away from me, if I could choose that one thing, it would be the following advice...

Watch "Band of Brothers", then think about your dislike of America.
I understand the dislike of American culture, because quite frankly, I don't like it much myself and prefer the European culture... but America has been the biggest force for good in the history of the world. This movie/series I recommend illustrates that and how we have sacrificed so that Europeans, etc. could have the things they have today.

That was then, this is now. Vietnam, Iraq, interference with Central American democracy, Wall Street screwing the world over, Monsanto, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, free market hypocrisy, nuclear hypocrisy... I could go on.

America can indeed be a force for good, but since the World Wars it is more often than not a force for what's good for America at the expense of everyone else. Don't expect Europe or anywhere to be grateful for that.
 
Man, this is ridiculous.

Can we stop talking about this? There are points on both sides of this argument that are being made, but honestly Kochman, I'm going to take a wild guess and say you didn't storm the beaches at Normandy. It's fine to be patriotic, but you gotta have a little perspective. That was then, and this is now, and sure history would have been different had the Nazis or Soviets overrun Europe, but you could basically say the same thing about nearly any historic event. It doesn't matter, because what has happened has happened, and what is happening now is what is most important.

And to the Europeans; he's basically completely correct (although I think he goes too far in some cases). The EU isn't sovereign, and not only that it is either a decade away from collapse unless it reforms itself. You can want something to be the case all you want, but that doesn't make it so. Also, you don't seem to understand the American system of government enough to make some of the comments you have. I have studied numerous governments around the world (Dutch, British, Russian, Turkish, Mexican, Egyptian etc.) in pretty great detail, ours has its flaws but it is pretty good compared to some of the others, which are actually much more complicated. The only thing I don't really like about it is the electoral college, and of course the filibuster rule but that isn't really codified, it is more or less a "tradition" more than anything else. It has just recently been used so much because there is a lot of partisanship in the US right now.

Let's get back to LHs, alright guys?
 
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